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This guy has no respect for his employer. Must be nice to have the luxury to piss all over your employer and "protest". Good Luck finding a new job when your image is now, "My Feelings First". There are many more like him to choose from that would be more than happy to get back working as a team in person to get projects done. Unbelievable how entitled this culture thinks it is. Look at his picture, screams Entitled Woke Child 2.0. He made his choice, good luck finding a new job with your new reputation. Bozo.
He probably already has a new job. He's a high-level director who supposedly made important discoveries in AI.
 
[...]We already have screwed an entire generation of kids keeping them home, test scores are lower than the lows they were before 2020.[...]
Oh yeah, it couldn't have anything to do with the actual pandemic killing 1 million people in two years. An insane cult taking over government institutions, and attacking social/education systems... Active shooter drills and police state security in schools... book bans... Literal environmental doom... No, it couldn't have anything to do with those things. It must be the masks and being schooled at home (which is where homeschooler folks want their kids in the first place, but let's not address that inconsistency).

So many people project their own issues onto kids. They scream "BUT THE CHILDERN" for everything with which they themselves struggle (kids are WAY more resilient than YOU). Then they mock actual children and young adults standing up to share their actual views if they don't reflecting the ideologies of those constantly shouting "BUT THE CHILDREN!"
 
Sounds like you will pick whichever supports your worldview. Let me ask you this: would you rather see acts of violence against executives or legislative redistribution of wealth? Because your attitude is driving towards one of those outcomes.
This is neither here nor there. The conversation is about an apple employee leaving the company because apple did not have the benefits the former employee was looking for. Don’t turn this into some liberal distribution of wealth social program.
Instead of focusing on what the law says now, ask yourself how do we fix it so the employees have more say.
If me as a small corporation is paying employees to work, it’s under the companies guidelines, not the employees. Whether those guidelines are suffocating or expansive the employee and employer both chose whether or not a candidate is suitable.
 
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Late to the topic.

I will say what I think:

Some jobs require local presence more than others, still the idea of never meeting my own colleagues scares me somewhat.

I suppose I enjouy human contact.
Agoraphobia has blossomed during the pandemic, not many would admit or recognize it and cite other reasons for wanting to stay in their "safe place of comfort"
 
Points taken.. I see both sides of the pendulum. But, ultimately it is a business transaction for services from that regard. I have friends the work remotely here in Canada for Companies in the US. They are solid workers with a lot of brilliant ideas and products to show. My issue is when it comes to basic duties of being in the office when you are fully capable of being there. The employer is requesting what was expected of you when you were hired, but you are using your "credentials" and "self interests" to disrupt that expectation.. It is self entitlement to me. I think that is disrespectful. That's just my morals.
Given that people were forced to work from home for two years that agreement was already broken for the benefit of the company. The counter is that those two years show that the company is fully capable of supporting work from home. Given that the company is in the employee's debt, accommodating this request doesn't just seem reasonable it feels obligatory.
My wife sees in her business that a lot of peopel have abused the luxury and moved towns during the pandemic without the employer even being aware. Now they are being asked back to work and the employees are surprising them with the news that they relocated. It's completely unethical.
It's unethical to ask someone to go into an office when they have demonstrated they can do the job remotely.
Sure, maybe it isn't exactly "Wokeness". But I don't know how to better describe that self entitlement expectation. I worked in an era of respect for your boss.
When was this era? Was it before 1960? We don't even respect doctors or teachers, so why should some MBA be respected?
You follow the expectation they laid out for you until you decide you would like to move on to something else. You can give suggestions but you don't tell them how to run their business just because you think you can.
If the employer didn't know the employee moved then their location clearly has no relevance to their ability to do the job.
 
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Why do they Hire LAZY People?

WOW
A lot of the commentators here need to learn what "lazy" means, since they seem to be throwing the word at people for the crime of [checks notes]... daring to try to negotiate with an employer, and then ending their employment when the outcome of said negotiation isn't to their liking. None of you "lazy" throwers have any idea what or how much work this guy has done or will do. He could actually be lazy, but you'd only be "correct" as a result of random chance, not as a result of any critical thinking.
 
This is neither here nor there. The conversation is about an apple employee leaving the company because apple did not have the benefits the former employee was looking for. Don’t turn this into some liberal distribution of wealth social program.

If me as a small corporation is paying employees to work, it’s under the companies guidelines, not the employees. Whether those guidelines are suffocating or expansive the employee and employer both chose whether or not a candidate is suitable.
You didn't answer any of my questions. They are directly related to this article because in the face of inflation and increasing wealth disparity the workforce is going to revolt. If we don't start implementing employee-friendly policies now, the law won't protect anyone.
 
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Oh yeah, it couldn't have anything to do with the actual pandemic killing 1 million people in two years. An insane cult taking over government institutions, and attacking social/education systems... Active shooter drills and police state security in schools... book bans... Literal environmental doom...
I don't know how any of this seriously affects children other than maaybe the drills. I was in middle school when the real problems started: iPhones, social media, video games, and excessive competition for college robbing everyone's childhood (also overprotective parenting but that's not new). It's clear talking to people a year older than me vs a year younger who lived and who didn't.

Edit: They also had active shooter drills while I was in middle/high school.
 
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In-person meetings/work are to zoom meetings as voice conversations are to texting. Not seeing the value of working in-person is like saying that not seeing faces is really no big deal.
Their mistake was in making an absolute statement. Some work is better done in person (but not all, and not always). However, we have arrived at a point in society's technological development where a majority of office work does not need to be in an office.
 
Oh yeah, it couldn't have anything to do with the actual pandemic killing 1 million people in two years. An insane cult taking over government institutions, and attacking social/education systems... Active shooter drills and police state security in schools... book bans... Literal environmental doom... No, it couldn't have anything to do with those things. It must be the masks and being schooled at home (which is where homeschooler folks want their kids in the first place, but let's not address that inconsistency).

So many people project their own issues onto kids. They scream "BUT THE CHILDERN" for everything with which they themselves struggle (kids are WAY more resilient than YOU). Then they mock actual children and young adults standing up to share their actual views if they don't reflecting the ideologies of those constantly shouting "BUT THE CHILDREN!"
While I agree with much of what you say, even the most ardent supporters of COVID safety measures and mandates now agree that school closures were a big mistake -
 
Sought-after employees will have flexibility to do things like this and good for them making a stand, it helps those of us in a weaker negotiating position.
Did you read the article? He quit which means Apple made a choice.
 
Goodness - look at the light pollution Apple's building is giving off....

Anyway, if you work for any organisation you agree to their terms of employment or you leave for a organisation that is a better match for you. I have sympathy with those who wish to work from home, but this is a choice.
 
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I’m actually one of those who prefers to be in the office to work. I’m not productive at home.
And you're allowed to be that way. ?? I hope you always have the option to work in the way that is best for you. The problem with this thread are the people attacking employees for daring to negotiate with employers and then leaving their jobs when they decide the job does not work for them. Looks like you're not doing that (as far as I've read so far), so you're good.
 
You didn't answer any of my questions. They are directly related to this article because in the face of inflation and increasing wealth disparity the workforce is going to revolt. If we don't start implementing employee-friendly policies now, the law won't protect anyone.
I’m not answering the questions because you’re moving the goalposts and creating a strawman. This is a simple business transaction between and employee and employer. That’s the discussion.
 
People are for choice. Choice to work for the company that is best suited for you. Choice to work where you want, choice to peruse that. Companies are under no obligation to provide for ones exact situation and one is not obligate to either accept a job or continue working for a company that doesn’t meet their expectations. It doesn’t get simpler than this.

This rockstar employee made a decision. Does apple regret his leaving and will apple have done something different if they know he would leave? I don’t know.

Do you think that they regret losing Jeff Wilcox?
 
Maybe step back a bit and address this question: What "drama" was created, exactly?

If you do not like working from home, that's fine. I certainly wouldn't want to force upon you a working modality that you dislike. Hopefully you will never be forced to work in a modality that sucks for you. Can you allow that other people may be the complete opposite from you in terms of needs in this regard? Is it "drama" that you expressed your dislike of working from home?
It is drama when you send it in an email to all your subordinates as your farewell. And I have been forced to work from home since 2019. I haven’t left because I have my reasons but I was against the move originally and my next move will not be remote. But I surely won’t send an email blaming work from home to all my colleagues.
 
And you're allowed to be that way. ?? I hope you always have the option to work in the way that is best for you. The problem with this thread are the people attacking employees for daring to negotiate with employers and then leaving their jobs when they decide the job does not work for them. Looks like you're not doing that (as far as I've read so far), so you're good.
There should be no attacking the (former) employee or no attacking the employer. This is a simple business transaction where employer offers x benefits and employee wants z benefits.
 
I’m not answering the questions because you’re moving the goalposts and creating a strawman. This is a simple business transaction between and employee and employer. That’s the discussion.
The discussion is, that employers have overreached and are using position and influence to undermine employee rights. This isn't about should employees be able to work from home, but how do we ensure that employers have no say.

If you are claiming employers have a right to dictate policy then we need to fix that misunderstanding.
 
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This is not true. Please revise and resubmit.
Sorry. I believe it is true. From The NY Times (not a conservative paper by any measure):


Policy makers and health officials will sometimes make mistakes. Those things happen. We need to learn from those mistakes rather than pretend that they did not happen or that these officials are infallible.
 
Sorry. I believe it is true. From The NY Times (not a conservative paper by any measure):


Policy makers and health officials will sometimes make mistakes. Those things happen. We need to learn from those mistakes rather than pretend that they did not happen or that these officials are infallible.
Oh, well, no worries. We often believe things that are not true.
 
Sorry. I believe it is true. From The NY Times (not a conservative paper by any measure):


Policy makers and health officials will sometimes make mistakes. Those things happen. We need to learn from those mistakes rather than pretend that they did not happen or that these officials are infallible.

Kids weren't as vulnerable from covid, but they can stiil carry and pass it on to family members at home who are more vulnerable. It was the right decision.
 
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