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Sling TV, Sony Vue, Netflix, and Amazon Prime all have excellent interfaces. I know because I have subscribed to all of them. (HBO Now needs work, in my opinion, though that is explained by the fact that HBO outsourced the app development to MLB Advanced Media).

On the other hand, where is Apple's package of either 1)live TV networks or 2) on demand streaming shows/movies? It doesn't exist, it's not available, and it's apparently not even coming soon. Eddy dropped
the ball plain and simple and should be held accountable by his boss.

Yep, and Google and Hulu are coming to the table in 2017. Eddy knocked Apple's plate on the floor then pissed on it.
 
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I got "You Could be Mine." Sometimes she works, sometimes she doesn't.

I've been super happy with Siri and Apple Music - they work well together - especially from my Watch when driving. I waited a year to subscribe to AM. Glad I did! For $8.25/month it's a bargain.
 
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Wow. That's so weird.
I mean... he's been with the company for 27 years now, during the time they had rough patches; and also during their meteoric rise to become the most profitable tech company of all time.
It seems crazy that the company reached such a high level of success, if what you say is true & Apple is doomed simply by virtue of employing this one man, among thousands of other employees.
Oh well.
I'm certain that you're correct. If there's one thing I've learned in all my years, it's that literally NOBODY spouts off random and baseless garbage on the internet that is patently false & they are woefully unqualified to comment definitively on.

/sarcasm

His proof is in the fact that I'm watching Sling TV at the moment and not an Apple branded service.
 
I've been super happy with Siri and Apple Music - they work well together - especially from my Watch when driving. I waited a year to subscribe to AM. Glad I did! For $8.25/month it's a bargain.
Yeah they work well together on my SE, though on iOS 10 it's refusing to play any playlists unless I unlock my iPhone first. I used to be able to just yell out from the shower what playlist I wanted.
 
Oh. I genuinely wasn't sure what he meant. I just tried it there and it immediately worked, hence my confusion. Wasn't trying to patronise or call anybody out. My apologies :)
I really think Siri understands some people better than others. I don't use it a lot, but she almost always gets it right. My wife though, has hers set to the British voice because she likes to hear the accent and it does not seem to understand me as well. I'm curious if the language it is set to makes a difference in what it is expecting to hear. You know, the UK uses different meanings for some words than the US does.
 
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We want TV to be a magical experience.
You are getting sleepy, very, very sleepy...
Woooooooooooo!

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And in the end, it all comes down to infrastructure.
Who owns the infrastructure?
Not Apple.

It stems from there but is far worse than most people realize... You have the content provider (NBC Universal) saying hey, want a movie, pay us. Want to watch TV, pay us. You have two real options for live TV.. cable (shocker, NBC Comcast Universal is there for you again) and they say hey want TV, pay us. Don't want to pay us? Then piss off. So you say fine, I'm cutting the cord. Want to hook up an antenna to your TV? Turn it on and what to you see, NBC yet again, so you're paying them through advertisement viewing. Want to cut the cord and stick it to the man? Nice, grab a nice high speed connection (Dohh, Comcast again!)... and then hook up that AppleTV and pop open the CNN app... whoops, you can't watch without paying a monthly subscription to... here we go... Comcast!

The government allowed MULTIPLE monopolies here, and now the government has cable\broadcast\media cash in their pockets and won't level the playing field. We have one company (Comcast NBC Universal) which controls virtually every bit of content, content delivery, and content delivery alternative on the market, and nobody seems to care.

The media is not going to report on it because mainstream media is owned by NBC or Turner or another conglomerate who supports these monopolies. It's a shame. They'll report on Clinton's collapse and Trump's bankruptcies, but not the fact that out lives are owned by a monopoly named NBC Universal Comcast... might as well rename comcast.com to comcast.gov
 
I agree with everyone who thinks Eddy Cue is pretty brain dead.

I couldn't disagree more with people who think ATV 4 UI is no good. It's one of the most brilliant UI's I've seen in a while... no other TV remote comes close... the speed, simplicity, fluidity and precision of navigating the interface is unmatched IMO.
 
Apple talking about interfaces when the UI difference between OSX, windows, and pretty much every other modern operating system are within .00000001% similarity when compared to every other possible design.
 
I agree with everyone who thinks Eddy Cue is pretty brain dead.

I couldn't disagree more with people who think ATV 4 UI is no good. It's one of the most brilliant UI's I've seen in a while... no other TV remote comes close... the speed, simplicity, fluidity and precision of navigating the interface is unmatched IMO.
1) You can not tell what way is up and what is down on the remote without looking at it, in the dark, watching a movie.
2) Remote seems to be designed to be miss clicked and it wakes up the ATV, and whatever movie you were actually watching get's interrupted.
3) Apple's useless apps takes up half the screen.
4) It's marketed as suitable for light gaming, yet only 1 (!!!!!) button on the remote can be utilized by game designers
5) Discovering ATV apps is HORRIBLE, EVEN worse than ios appstore
6) Bad password management (if i have a content focused app on my iphone, with a login then make the very simple infrastructure it would require to suggest that app on the apple TV and include the password from the same apple ID so i do not have to type it in again with that commodore64 style keyboard!
7) Siri, she's great in their presentations but endlessly frustrating to actually use.
8) Stop hiding Airplay fails! when stuff just "magically" NOT work there is NO error messages and it's infuriating when you do need it and have to do whatever raindance it takes to get it working again with no feedback apart from "oh, now it just magically decided to work!"

I could go on but i gave up on it and now just use it for airplay and for accidentally interrupting movies, the ATV4 interface is pretty, but it is absolutely not good UI
 
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My experience with HBO on Apple TV has nothing to do with the interface and not being able to find content. Take, for example, the series Real Time with Bill Maher. For some idiotic reason I can't watch Real Time in real time on HBO Now but have to wait about 10 hours to watch it on Saturday morning instead of Friday night. Has nothing to do with the interface.
I believe that's what he meant. He didn't speak about apps UI, he meant that the idea of the modern TV as the global interface to the video content is outdated. There're a lot of channels, subscriptions, apps, boxes, etc, each with its own rules and restrictions and it's hard to get what you want when you want it. Just as you described. The future of TV is when a user can stream or purchase any episode of any show of any content provider worldwide at a centralized store whenever he wants it and watch it on his favorite device (apple tv, ipad, mac, whatever). Just like it works with the music right now. You can go to iTunes Store and buy any song or any album of any artist and listen to it whenever you want, using any device you want. Or subscribe to Apple Music or other service and stream any song anytime. TV will come to the same model eventually, I believe. At least it makes sense, if greediness won't stay in the way of progress.
 
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Siri does work with a personal library now. However, the file names can't have special characters (Empire_Strikes_Back) or run-on spellings (EMPIRESTRIKESBACK) if you expect them to work with Siri search.
How?! Whenever I try to search my local movie library it kicks me out to the iTunes Store unless the movie is one of those I purchased on iTunes.
 
His proof is in the fact that I'm watching Sling TV at the moment and not an Apple branded service.

There you have it.
DEFINITIVE proof that Apple can't survive with Eddy Cue as an employee... all because you are watching Sling!
I'll let @newyorkone know that you "proved" him right!! Lol, I guess you have a fresh twist on Plato.... the center of the universe is NOT earth- it is you.

/sarcasm
 
116 posts so far.
- a bunch suggesting that Siri understand them when they say: Guns 'n Roses
- the rest providing some invaluable guidance to Apple
-> WAKE UP, try being great again and focus on more than stock $.
 
1) You can not tell what way is up and what is down on the remote without looking at it, in the dark, watching a movie.
2) Remote seems to be designed to be miss clicked and it wakes up the ATV, and whatever movie you were actually watching get's interrupted.
3) Apple's useless apps takes up half the screen.
4) It's marketed as suitable for light gaming, yet only 1 (!!!!!) button on the remote can be utilized by game designers
5) Discovering ATV apps is HORRIBLE, EVEN worse than ios appstore
6) Bad password management (if i have a content focused app on my iphone, with a login then make the very simple infrastructure it would require to suggest that app on the apple TV and include the password from the same apple ID so i do not have to type it in again with that commodore64 style keyboard!
7) Siri, she's great in their presentations but endlessly frustrating to actually use.
8) Stop hiding Airplay fails! when stuff just "magically" NOT work there is NO error messages and it's infuriating when you do need it and have to do whatever raindance it takes to get it working again with no feedback apart from "oh, now it just magically decided to work!"

I could go on but i gave up on it and now just use it for airplay and for accidentally interrupting movies, the ATV4 interface is pretty, but it is absolutely not good UI

1. By virtue of the trackpad being far more versatile and faster than the d-pad remote, by default, it's better. Apple has always been about symmetry, maybe to a fault, but the up/down isn't a big issue... there are so many quick, cheap ways to address that if it bothers you that much.
2. You can mis-click any remote with physical buttons; you can't blame a remote for user error
3. Just because Apple's apps are useless for you, doesn't mean they're useless... I use most of them fairly regularly. You can also easily reposition them or even put them into folders, just like with any iOS device which shows the power and versatility of the remote and UI
4. I have several games that utilize more than one button so I'm not sure where you got that info. You can also get a game controller for more precise gaming
5. I don't understand what's so horrible about the app store
6. Apple TV isn't a personal device... I wouldn't want someone downloading/renting/ paying for stuff without passwords. The keyboard is optimal for the hardware interface... 2 to 3 swipes gets you from A to Z... no more click up, click up, click right, click right, etc. trying to navigate through an alphabet with random breaks, making it that much harder to find the letter.
7. Siri works well for me... "what did he say?" is absolutely brilliant and I use Siri for ff/rew with precision, finding movies by genre, actor, etc., sports scores, turn on/off captions, etc.
8. Airplay has always been a bit finicky... I agree with you there. But that's not an ATV specific problem. But the ease with which I can switch speakers while watching a movie or show with a quick swipe down on the remote is tremendous.
 
The AppleTV is still lacking, at least when it came out it was definitely something that was adventurous. Now its waiting for the other bits to fall into place instead of Apple taking the reigns and getting these providers to be part of what users want and the simplicity that users expect from Apple. now its cluttered beyond necessity.

The whole 'courage' spiel at the last keynote was a new low for them in my book.
it wasn't the first time they used that in a keynote or a PR release. Phil has said this before.
 
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Well neither Apple nor anybody else seems to know how to solve that brain dead interface.
That's why I swear up and down that the chromecast is the best. It doesn't have an interface. You don't have to sufffer through the horrible Roku experience or the horrible Apple TV or Amazon Prime interface.
The best interface is no interface. Nothing to dig through. Nothing to frustrate the f*ck out of you
 
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Finally. Cue making some sense.

Would love for the television monopoly to be broken up but not at the expense of a dozen $12/mo each subscriptions to get the channels I want.

Streaming is the reality. The sooner providers embrace it, the better off we all will be.
It's already here. Sling and Playstation VUE work great and are much cheaper than cable or satellite.
 
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My experience with HBO on Apple TV has nothing to do with the interface and not being able to find content. Take, for example, the series Real Time with Bill Maher. For some idiotic reason I can't watch Real Time in real time on HBO Now but have to wait about 10 hours to watch it on Saturday morning instead of Friday night. Has nothing to do with the interface.
HBO Now can't do live video. They have to compress it and cache it before making it available.
 
I'm not sure what exactly needs to be changed with television interfaces... the big question is what are you used to, channel numbers identifying the channel you want to go to or channel names, and then its just a matter of what's the more effective way of navigating menus to find the channel you want, the shows you want. Tivo had a good racket going, OTA tv is becoming more popular now that people can actually get quality digital signals instead of the rabbit ear fuzz we remember from pre-cable days and it's OTA that still drives the use of "channel numbers".

Any changes to "television" has to consider the significant hurdle of all those existing TV sets and configurations people have that they won't simply ditch because Apple wants to sell new hardware every few years.
 
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