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The best (depending on your point of view) thing about all this is that Samsung gets more attention towards their tablets than they probably ever thought they'd get. And (almost) for free. :D:apple:

One would think that Jobs had learned from his own situation with NeXT:

He basically stole the best people and ideas from Apple to form his own company, so Apple sued NeXT. All that happened was that NeXT got huge publicity because it confirmed that Apple was scared of their competition.

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If this was a complicated patent fight, most people wouldn't pay close attention. But it's not: it's over a ridiculously simple line drawing and some equally simple (to consumers) packaging claims. These can be easily comprehended by the general public and just as easily seen to be silly precepts for an injunction.

So Samsung gets free publicity and the underdog status. Apple looks petty and worried.

Worse, Apple's lawyers are forcing Samsung to innovate beyond them instead of simply looking vaguely similar to Apple's current product. Bad move. Apple should be the one innovating, not pushing others do so.

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Apple's moves have also caused everyone to arm themselves with expensive patents, which is going to raise the cost for us consumers. Already $20-40 of a smartphone goes to licenses; that can only go higher.
 
One would think that Jobs had learned from his own situation with NeXT:

He basically stole the best people and ideas from Apple to form his own company, so Apple sued NeXT. All that happened was that NeXT got huge publicity because it confirmed that Apple was scared of their competition.

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If this was a complicated patent fight, most people wouldn't pay close attention. But it's not: it's over a ridiculously simple line drawing and some equally simple (to consumers) packaging claims. These can be easily comprehended by the general public and just as easily seen to be silly precepts for an injunction.

So Samsung gets free publicity and the underdog status. Apple looks petty and worried.

Worse, Apple's lawyers are forcing Samsung to innovate beyond them instead of simply looking vaguely similar to Apple's current product. Bad move. Apple should be the one innovating, not pushing others do so.

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Apple's moves have also caused everyone to arm themselves with expensive patents, which is going to raise the cost for us consumers. Already $20-40 of a smartphone goes to licenses; that can only go higher.

And in addition, Apple makes it impossible to see them as the underdog company they were once upon a time ago. They keep solidifying themselves as Goliath against most other companies who are "David"
 
That's not a fault of the OS though now is it ? Nor should that permit Apple to pull stunts like we're seeing here. Let the product stand on its own merit.

Anyway, the tablet form factor is just atrocious for productivity. But what productivity apps are missing from Android ? Remember, Google is a webapps company and a lot of the Android stuff is available through Google's own range of webapps, not native apps per say.



They did ? Canonical just shipped a standard Gnome with a brown theme. :confused:

If anything, Linux was already "beautiful" (why do people insist on using such words to describe software and GUIs and electronics anyhow ?), it just wasn't well marketed (because frankly, the OSS community don't care about broad acceptance, OSS devs are mostly scratching their own itches).

Unity isn't really Gnome 3 applied like is is everywhere else..thats actually as viable comparison as iPad to galaxy tab..the same core applied differently

and remember canonical is creating their ecosystem..ubuntu music store/ubuntu cloud etc.

Yes linux still is beautiful in a tinkerers light..completely cusomizable as individual as each person using it. But it's not "beautiful" though Mint and Ubuntu Studio are in my opinion beautiful.
 
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Unity isn't really Gnome 3 applied like is is everywhere else..thats actually as viable comparison as iPad to galaxy tab..the same core applied differently

Unity is recent, it just appeared this year. That's not what Ubuntu's rise to fame was based on. All these years, Ubuntu built their reputation off a standard Gnome 2 with a brown theme.

and remember canonical is creating there ecosystem..ubuntu music store/ubuntu cloud etc.

None of which actually made any break throughs really. In fact, Canonical didn't really manage to make Linux into a desktop contender either, with Linux numbers still in the very low single digits (if even that) as far as market share goes.

Lack of commercial applications is what is preventing Linux' widespread adoption, because frankly, it's been ready to replace Windows or OS X for many people for years (I would know, being as how I used the darn thing as my desktop OS ever since the late 90s).

Yes linux still is beautiful in a tinkerers light..completely cusomizable as individual as each person using it. But it's not "beautiful" though Mint and Ubuntu Studio are in my opinion beautiful.

Beautiful... Gorgeous... Magical... no really, stop using those words. It's an OS with a GUI. Seriously, can we discuss things without going into the superficial crap that Apple uses to describe their products ? That's one of the things I loathe about the Apple eco-system, all the superficial "glamor" that surrounds it.
 
Unity is recent, it just appeared this year. That's not what Ubuntu's rise to fame was based on. All these years, Ubuntu built their reputation off a standard Gnome 2 with a brown theme.



None of which actually made any break throughs really. In fact, Canonical didn't really manage to make Linux into a desktop contender either, with Linux numbers still in the very low single digits (if even that) as far as market share goes.

Lack of commercial applications is what is preventing Linux' widespread adoption, because frankly, it's been ready to replace Windows or OS X for many people for years (I would know, being as how I used the darn thing as my desktop OS ever since the late 90s).



Beautiful... Gorgeous... Magical... no really, stop using those words. It's an OS with a GUI. Seriously, can we discuss things without going into the superficial crap that Apple uses to describe their products ? That's one of the things I loathe about the Apple eco-system, all the superficial "glamor" that surrounds it.

Ubuntu's fame was made by creating and approachable attractive linux operating system with a graphical installer.

I have been using for about as long as you and I still keep a virtual linux box..

The thing is, people like glamor as apple sales show...

.....but back on topic

Samsung could have created a unique tablet with new GUI using existing tools, but thats not what they did..they used boring HC in a iPad looking tablet
 
Ubuntu's fame was made by creating and approachable attractive linux operating system with a graphical installer.

I have been using for about as long as you and I still keep a virtual linux box..

The thing is, people like glamor as apple sales show...

.....but back on topic

Samsung could have created a unique tablet with new GUI using existing tools, but thats not what they did..they used boring HC in a iPad looking tablet

Or in a Samsung LCD or Samsung photo frame looking tablet
 
Ubuntu's fame was made by creating and approachable attractive linux operating system with a graphical installer.

Really ? Because they weren't the first to do that.

I have been using for about as long as you and I still keep a virtual linux box..

Then you should know Ubuntu didn't really innovate anything. They mostly took the LiveCD concept from Knoppix, they took Debian's "magical" packaging tool that was just perfect and simply worked, they took RedHat's graphical installer design (which is a rip off of the Microsoft Wizard approach), and made a brown theme for Gnome 2.

The thing is, people like glamor as apple sales show...

And I don't like those people. I'm not a superficial person and I despise superficial people.

Samsung could have created a unique tablet with new GUI using existing tools, but thats not what they did..they used boring HC in a iPad looking tablet

Hum... Honeycomb tablets are a unique tablet with a new GUI using existing tools. I don't get what you're getting at.

Honeycomb looks nothing like iOS, doesn't function like iOS and just plain isn't iOS. What more do you want out of it ?

And iPad looking tablet ? The iPad is such a bland and generic design, how do you not want to look like it ? It's basically the same design every other tablet and prototype has had since tablets have existed. A bezel around a screen. How many other ways is there to make a tablet ?

You're not even making sense anymore. It sounds as if you've never seen Honeycomb, you're just bashing it for the sake of bashing it and you're ignoring all the prior designs posters have posted of tablets that look just like the iPad but pre-date it.
 
Really ? Because they weren't the first to do that.

Then you should know Ubuntu didn't really innovate anything. They mostly took the LiveCD concept from Knoppix, they took Debian's "magical" packaging tool that was just perfect and simply worked, they took RedHat's graphical installer design (which is a rip off of the Microsoft Wizard approach), and made a brown theme for Gnome 2.


And I don't like those people. I'm not a superficial person and I despise superficial people.

Hum... Honeycomb tablets are a unique tablet with a new GUI using existing tools. I don't get what you're getting at.

Honeycomb looks nothing like iOS, doesn't function like iOS and just plain isn't iOS. What more do you want out of it ?

And iPad looking tablet ? The iPad is such a bland and generic design, how do you not want to look like it ? It's basically the same design every other tablet and prototype has had since tablets have existed. A bezel around a screen. How many other ways is there to make a tablet ?

You're not even making sense anymore. It sounds as if you've never seen Honeycomb, you're just bashing it for the sake of bashing it and you're ignoring all the prior designs posters have posted of tablets that look just like the iPad but pre-date it.

Thats your opinion..

again it's called packaging..

We really don't care

HC is very vanilla...but that goes back to packaging..

and you are ignoring all those that didn't

I haven't bashed anything...

but ok..you win..I was bashing hating and really have no idea what I'm talking about..

I will now bow out and go back to lurking..
 
If You Don't Like Apple Products, Don't Buy Them

No, I shall use YOUR path of thinking, Apple is the bullying company that it is that wants to destroy all it's competitors and win at ALL costs because that's what America is like. Look at the way it is a massive war mongering machine, thinks nothing of invading any country it so chooses for it's own gain to be number one, will drop nuclear weapons on civilians to gain to be number one and kill both allies and enemy alike. So that is why Apple is the way Apple is then.

Personally, I think what I said there is an utterly stupid and ridiculous suggestion to make, but according to YOUR way of thinking and argument then it MUST be true :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It is a ridiculous argument. If you feel that Apple is hurting competition and America, don't buy their products. If the vast majority of people agreed with you, would Apple sales continue to grow at a staggering rate? I am thankful for the changes that have simplified my life and thankful that a company like Apple delivers consumer-oriented products. They are playing by the same rules as every other company.
 
Oh you mean that doctored image with the "Ruggedized" tablets as "before" and the standard tablets as "after" ?

Please don't go by that doctored and cherry picked trite. :rolleyes:

actually the ones with Bill Gates in front of them but i'm sure there "doctored"
 
Again somewhere in here is the before iPad tablets and after..

There is room for creativity

any why is the iPad the be all end all of design? :confused:

samsung-ipad-photo-frame.jpg


Samsung, 2006.

Browse-Landscape.jpg


Apple, not 2006.

(See what i did there?)
 
Thats your opinion..

What is ? That Ubuntu wasn't the first with a graphics installer (look into Anaconda... seriously... I think RedHat 7 shipped with the GTK version first, somewhere like 4-5 years before Canonical and Mark Shuttleworth) or that Honeycomb is not different from iOS ? Or something else in my post ?

Really, can you learn to properly quote and reply so I know what your replying to here ? Throw me a bone.

again it's called packaging..

We really don't care

HC is very vanilla...but that goes back to packaging..

Honeycomb is very vanilla ? And iOS isn't ? :confused:

The rest of your post is confused ramblings. Look, you can manually use the quote tags to surround appropriate parts of a post you're replying to as to give context, like I'm doing. It results in many paragraphs and makes it clear what you're replying to.

Otherwise, you're quite impossible to follow.


actually the ones with Bill Gates in front of them but i'm sure there "doctored"

There's a picture of Bill Gates standing before every tablet form factor device ever made in the world since the beginning of electronics ? :eek: Wow, that must be one huge picture. I wonder how they tracked down all those devices to pose the richest man in the world in front of them.

Or do you mean Bill Gates standing in front of a few Windows tablets which are quite irrelevant when talking about the iPad's originality ?
 
It is a ridiculous argument. If you feel that Apple is hurting competition and America, don't buy their products. If the vast majority of people agreed with you, would Apple sales continue to grow at a staggering rate? I am thankful for the changes that have simplified my life and thankful that a company like Apple delivers consumer-oriented products. They are playing by the same rules as every other company.

(the above not written to me)

1) Im not (actually, in large part due to these very reasons)
2) The vast majority of people are NOT buying Apple products.
3) Even if they did, consumers are stupid. One therefore does not exclude the other.
4) The game needs a new set of rules.
 
This whole mess is preposterous and unnecessary.

And if Apple really has the wrong (or possible manipulated) dimensions... that's even more preposterous. What do they pay their fancy-pants lawyers for anyway?

It's ridiculous how these industries are all about patents and lawsuits now... instead of focusing on making better products....
 
I have always been a big fan of Apple products but I find this to be very disappointing. I currently own both an iPad as well as the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and I can tell you that they are 2 totally different products. When holding and using my Tab I am in no way reminded of my iPad.
 
It is a ridiculous argument. If you feel that Apple is hurting competition and America, don't buy their products. If the vast majority of people agreed with you, would Apple sales continue to grow at a staggering rate? I am thankful for the changes that have simplified my life and thankful that a company like Apple delivers consumer-oriented products. They are playing by the same rules as every other company.

No, see, the fact that sales continue to grow at a staggering rate shows that there's less competition. They're kind of like Wal-Mart, but instead of pushing competition out with cheap goods, they push them out with innovations and IP fights. Neither one is good in the long haul.

I don't know if the photos are doctored, but I do know that they're designed to mislead. Even if the aspect ratio isn't one of the design claims, if you can put two devices next to each other that look a hell of a lot alike, people are more inclined to believe that they stole your ideas than putting two devices that aren't too similar next to each other and saying "look, they took our corners and bezel."

I would believe an assertion that Apple used a prototype photo for the "doctored" photo, because that's the picture they needed for the two to look most alike. But look at the other photos; Apple did the same thing. This is most apparent in the comparison of the backs of the devices. Look at the Galaxy Tab's back. You see white plastic, and you do see the real aspect ratio in a top-down, head-on shot. But look at the iPad. Pull out yours, if you have one. See how the back in that picture looks different than yours? Apple could light the photo however they wanted, but they chose poor lighting that washed out the back and made it as similar to white plastic as anodized aluminum could get. Now look at the photo again. Does that iPad seem a bit longer and thinner than the one in your hands? They shot it at an angle so that the aspect ratio would seem to be closer to the accurately portrayed Galaxy Tab. These are real, undoctored images that are still designed to mislead.
 
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Apple should have hired Samsung to make it look more like the iPad. They are good at that.

I am sure Samsung is firing the engineer who screwed up and didn't make it look more like the iPad.
 
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