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That's perfectly understandable. I was confused at first too when I had to get used to °C. I found the poem very helpful to just get a feeling:

30 is hot,
20 is nice,
10 is cold,
& 0 is ice.

Exactly. 0 is ice, 100 is boiling water. Everyone on the planet can relate to the fundamental facts of freezing water and building water. C > F.
 
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USB-A and HDMI aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. Everybody including Apple is still selling new machines that have them. There are a zillion USB sticks in circulation. No PCs have gone all TB3/USB-C. I've been looking in vain for a PC motherboard with 2 TB3 slots - even the ones with TB3 tend to go for 1xTB3 + 1 x USB3.1gen2 type A. Don't see any graphics cards with USB-C/TB3 outputs (you have to put in a TB3 card with a flying internal lead to the motherboard and an external DisplayPort cable to the graphics card). Only PCs I've seen with 2xTB3 are the Intel Skull Canyon NUC (which, NB, shows what the Mac Mini could have been by now) and the new Dell XPS 27 iMac-alike (which has a full complement of other ports, too).

You're going to need those dongles forever unless you live in your own little closed environment which you can make all-USB-C. Also, TB3 is severely hampered by only supporting DisplayPort 1.2 which can only drive 5k by using MST (albeit with a single cable).

Meanwhile, if you want a working system today... There's one 5k TB3 display (which is now off the menu until they fix the shielding) and one TB3 dock (which can't charge a MBP) actually available. Other stuff is "coming soon" but I remember that game from the original Thunderbolt days. I'll consider the 2016 MBP when all the stuff I need is available and proven.

Little remembered fact: in 2012, when Apple introduced the Retina MacBook Pro without (shock, horror) optical drives, ethernet or firewire ports, they also updated the 'Classic' MBPs to the latest CPUs and USB3. Because then they understood that some people needed to replace/update existing Macs without having to adopt a whole new philosophy.



Sure. My current Mac is 6 years old and going strong: but only because I've upgraded the RAM, put in a SSD, and swapped the optical drive for a second HD. Good luck doing that with the 2016 MBP.

Looking at Dell's XPS 26 iMac-a-like: it has TB3 for future-proofing, a good range of regular ports for today-proofing, the back comes off with a couple of screws, the SSD is in a standard M.2 socket, the HD is standard 2.5", the RAM is socketed... I've used Windows before and could do again...

I don't know. I've seen this play out before. Apple takes a logical step about a year earlier than others. Folks complain. Issue becomes non-issue in about a year.

Yes, you need to buy your Macbook with 16gb of RAM to make it the most future proof. But if you do that, these things will last for a very long time. SSD speed is SSD speed. It won't really need to be improved over what is in these latest MacBooks. As long as the device has room to run the OS and whatever you might need while traveling, I don't think extra SSD space is going to be a big issue for folks. External drives are cheap. And cloud storage is cheap as well. Heck, I'm getting 200mps download over wifi at home NOW. I could store everything in the cloud and really not notice that it isn't on my computer.

The USB-C stuff is coming. If you had to buy now, then maybe a little pain. But Apple plans for the long haul. This design will be around for years and years. Better for Apple to just go with the best port instead of old ports that will show their age soon. And if you are spending $2,000 on a laptop and you have so much money you aren't concerned about it lasting five years, then you also have enough money to buy a few attachments and dongles without noticing the cost. If you are concerned about the device lasting many years, then having the best ports is net net a good thing.

The LG panel is a mistake, but not Apple's unless you mean trusting LG was a mistake. I'm sure Apple is ripping into them for screwing up the shielding. But that issue is going to be fixed in a month. And it only effects some folks anyway.

The Dell you mention has a 2550x1440 screen. Forget it. That doesn't compare to the 5K iMac. Screen quality is too important because it is the screen is what you actually use.
 
"With phones, you can build to very, very minute tolerances," he said. "You would never design to that level of tolerance on a building. Your doors would jam."

I hope the construction engineers won this particular argument. If not, there are going to be a ton of pissed off employees either stuck in offices or unable to enter an office. All buildings have "wiggle room" because they behave like a living, breathing organism. Expansion, contraction, and shift are all parts of the "life" of a building. It's good to push boundaries, that's how we get progress. But sometimes, you gotta know which boundaries to push. That particular boundary ain't the one.

Although the door & frame materials they would have to use to accomplish that would explain the cost...
 
It absolutely does negate it. How old is your phone? A few years old? Brand new? What would 'attention to detail' help with a strange Bluetooth issue a few years after purchasing? If it's brand new, then you could just get a replacement from Apple.

Attention to detail in Apple products is frankly the best in the industry. I work for a reseller and the sheer volume of junk PCs and junk phones/tablets that I see and have tried are astonishing. If people have any perspective or knowledge on what you get from other OEMs, I honestly can't see how people come to the conclusion that you have.

That's not to say an Apple product is the absolute best you can always buy. But they're a far cry from being anything less than pretty damn good. And certainly they're leaps and bounds above the Fisher-Price criticisms that get flung around here.

I have a brand new iPhone SE… it resets the Bluetooth connection to any headset EVERY TIME THE PHONE GOES TO SLEEP. It is a bug; AppleCare has no answer or explanation. This also happens on an iPhone 5s on iOS 10.2 as well, with multiple different headsets tested. I am hard of hearing, so this is an accessibility problem. It is reproducible, I've filed a bug, and Apple Dev just keeps putting me through the ringer on providing hundreds of megabytes of logs every several days.

Apple hasn't offered a replacement, and, obviously, that wouldn't fix it anyhow since it seems to exhibit on the 5s too. The worst part is that the 5s under 9.3.3 didn't have the problem. But Apple won't let me go back to my old iPhone and an old iOS (known working) iOS version. So this isn't about a bug, this isn't about a phone; it is about a company that is apparently so distracted with other things (DOOR HANDLES), and so strongly coupled with combating protecting their ecosystem from jailbreaking, they can't make products that work reliably or provide customers a solution that would make the devices work properly. And they're protected by a fanboi class so rabid, they deny any of these issues exist and post on forums "negating" other user experiences. Recipe… for… disaster… saw this kind of hubris at Apple in the early '90s, made for a not-fun decade.

Oh, and somebody said earlier that it isn't like the person responsible for the iPhone and the construction were the same person… uh, yes, it is: Jony Ive. He's in charge of the Campus 2 Design. And the iPhone. He's the Chief Design Officer at Apple. When AirPods are dropping Bluetooth connections during calls, and a door handle design drags out for 18 months (longer than an iOS development cycle!), I'd suggest the critics are probably correct: Apple needs to re-evaluate priorities.
 
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With Apple going USB-C first, others will follow. Hopefully that will hasten the transition.

Hopefully. There's no guarantee - and the one place Apple aren't pushing USB-C is the place where there is the most pressing need for it: Phones and mobile devices. Trouble is, only a minority of people need the sort of 20-40 Gbps you can get from TB3 on a laptop or SFF system. USB 3.1g1 is fast enough for individual disc drives, USB 3.1g2 is springing up in USB-A connector form on PCs (the red ones) and DisplayPort 1.3/1.4 are coming, and will be far better for connecting 5k (or better) displays than the DP1.2 that TB3 (and USB-C driven by the Intel chipset) is limited to.

If the FCC hadn't made the call and issued a drop-dead date for the switch to HDTV, we'd still be straddling that gap, with lots of people hanging on to their analog picture tubes.

I don't know how it played out in the US, but here in the UK I'd had a DTV for 4-5 years before the switch-off was announced and, 5 years later when it actually happened in my region I was on my second DTV (and it was getting hard to buy a TV that didn't have smart features & 3D - let alone digital). The switch deadline wasn't to create the market for DTVs - it was to flush out the last few hangouts, second sets in bedrooms etc. Plus, all the DTVs could receive analog just as well, and there was a £25 dongle to convert an Analog-only TV.

USB-A, HDMI, DIsplayPort are the current, mainstream ports that everybody is using. There's one 5k TB3 display on the market and about 4 USB-C/UHD options. Only 1 TB3 dock (limited to 15W charge). Last time I looked, the 1m+"active" TB3 cables were still vapourware. This is in no way comparable to the Analog TV switchoff and a couple of years too soon to completely drop legacy ports.

When Apple went USB-only with the first iMacs, the ports they actually dropped were ADB (Apple proprietary keyboard/mouse connector), Localtalk (Apple proprietary), Serial/Printer/Modem (may-as-well-have-been-propitary RS422) and SCSI (really bulky cables, device numbers, terminators, mainly expensive server-class drives) - there was a really, really pressing need to dump those for something standard, plus, technology was moving faster and peripherals becoming obsolete sooner. Also, lots of PCs already had unused USB ports and ISTR Windows 98 provided the drivers, so the PC market was ripe to dump horrible kludges like the bidirectional printer port... USB-C.... not really so must-have.
 
"The project, which generated about 13,000 full-time construction jobs, took a toll on contractors. The original general contractors, Skanska USA and DPR Construction, left after work began, which construction experts called a rare development for a project of such scale. The reasons for the departures are unclear, and neither Apple nor the firms would comment."

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After months of back and forth, construction workers presented their work to a manager from Apple’s in-house team, who turned the sample over and over in his hands. Finally, he said he felt a faint bump.

The construction team double-checked the measurements, unable to find any imperfections – down to the nanometer. Still, Apple insisted on another version."

You've got to read the report if you haven't.

Because they used to be good at making tech stuff, they consider themselves experts on things they know nothing about.

Ego.
 
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Realistically once a person lives with one system or another for a bit it doesn't make too much of a difference as one can fairly easily then understand and tell what one or the other one means as far as weather and so forth.
I agree with that. I think I'd just prefer not only the whole world to speak the same language numerically (the base 10 number system) and metrologically (using the metric system) I'd also prefer regular people to speak the same language as scientists. The only way to do this will be to have a final discarding of all English units.
 
The Dell you mention has a 2550x1440 screen. Forget it. That doesn't compare to the 5K iMac. Screen quality is too important because it is the screen is what you actually use.

No - I'm talking about this one, with 32GB RAM, UHD "4k" wide gamut display, R9 485X graphics with 4GB. Take the 1TB SSD option and its $3400 vs. $4000 for the iMac with i7, 32GB, 1TB SSD and 4GB R395X (although, to be fair, you probably wouldn't pay Apple prices for the RAM). Not quite sure if its like-for-like on the processor (flaming Intel's information-free naming system).

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-27-7760-aio/fdcwduc408s

The screen isn't quite up to the iMac standard but it sounds pretty good, and it gives the iMac a hard run on all the other specs - plus, as I said, I downloaded the service manual and the HD, M.2 SSD, RAM etc. are all screwdriver jobs. No pizza cutters, guitar plectrums and sticky tape in sight... It also folds down flat if you want to use the touchscreen...

2xTB3 (for the future), plus 5xUSB3, HDMI, DisplayPort, SD, Ethernet (for the present). Its a desktop, so why scrimp on the ports?

OK, yeah, its a Dell (eek!) and it runs Windows (erk!) but it will be interesting to compare with the next iMac...
 
This is a tired old trope based on a common misunderstanding of what it means to borrow or copy in the artistic sense.

What's even more tired is the idea that Apple has a monopoly on all the smart engineers and visionary leaders and the rest of the industry just waits around to see what they can borrow or copy.
 
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This is the Apple I love. I cracked up at the end with the door handle. This has Steve Jobs written all over it.
 
They are actually the only company I know to pay a great attention to details on their products. But hey, your iPhone Bluetooth does not work so therefore it may be the case for hundreds of millions of other users.
the ONLY ????



hahahahahahahahahaha in you the tunnelvision is strong...
 
So Apple can be fanatical on odd details like curves based on prior products, but they can't keep the Mac Pro updated or offer a Mac Mini that's better than the previous model. I guess you see can see what's important to Tim Cook. :rolleyes:
 
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Talk about a waste of public resources, with a bunch of egotistical, stubborn designers..probably a group of 10 of them all with different roles that all have to say thier peice, complaining between sips from their water bottles, that they are feeling personally hurt and offended when the fire department tells them that they can't have any of their very pretty yet non functional drawings, used as life saving signage in the new building.

15 meetings, all at the request of upset designers, trying to convince the fire department to change the rules and building and safety codes for Apple. That the pantone colors allowed to direct people in case of emergency don't work with the updated doorways and the types of wood they're using behind the drywall, and that Apple should be calling the shots when it comes to people's safety, not the experts.
 
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No - I'm talking about this one, with 32GB RAM, UHD "4k" wide gamut display, R9 485X graphics with 4GB. Take the 1TB SSD option and its $3400 vs. $4000 for the iMac with i7, 32GB, 1TB SSD and 4GB R395X (although, to be fair, you probably wouldn't pay Apple prices for the RAM). Not quite sure if its like-for-like on the processor (flaming Intel's information-free naming system).

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-27-7760-aio/fdcwduc408s

The screen isn't quite up to the iMac standard but it sounds pretty good, and it gives the iMac a hard run on all the other specs - plus, as I said, I downloaded the service manual and the HD, M.2 SSD, RAM etc. are all screwdriver jobs. No pizza cutters, guitar plectrums and sticky tape in sight... It also folds down flat if you want to use the touchscreen...

2xTB3 (for the future), plus 5xUSB3, HDMI, DisplayPort, SD, Ethernet (for the present). Its a desktop, so why scrimp on the ports?

OK, yeah, its a Dell (eek!) and it runs Windows (erk!) but it will be interesting to compare with the next iMac...

I doubt many folks are dropping that kind of cash on a Dell. And the one thing you can't upgrade is the screen which isn't quite up to snuff. Nice PC. But the touch screen is the difference maker. Otherwise you are better off getting the iMac.

And you would really have to have some special needs or money to burn to get a 1TB SSD. When external drives and connecting ports are as fast as they are, paying extra to put large SSDs in a desktop doesn't make sense. Heck it doesn't make sense to me for a laptop. But if for some reason you need access to that much data, that fast, then I guess you have to do it. I just can't picture the reason.
 
Being an anal retentive person, I applaud Apple's relentless attention to detail. Just switch out the word, "anal" for "exacting", and it changes perspective.
 
What's the relation between freedom and the metric system?

Confuse the invading horde with weird signs in miles or something like that?

No relation just funny coincidence. Capitalists use standard system and only communists and socialists use metric. ;)
 
Yes, they are fanatical. You might even go as far as to say they are extremists about details. :O
 
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