Apple's 'Fanatical' Attention to Detail Revealed in Apple Campus 2 Report

[44267547]

C DM, I've seen so many intelligent posts by you. This one? Not one of your best. How would the charging cable be an impediment to moving a mouse around? I'm not asking with snark. Mice have been moving around desk tops since their inception. Even if I bought into triton100's argument about quick charge times, it still wouldn't make sense. Because following the quick charge logic, I could plug in the mouse and keep working instead of stopping. 1, 2, or 3 minutes later I could disconnect the cable and keep it moving. There's no appreciable benefit to that charge port being on the bottom.

Why do you appear so angry throughout this thread Mustang? You're not still sulking after that Falcons loss, are you? /S

On topic: I have read both of your arguments, including Tritons. I don't believe @C DM post makes his post any less intelligent than yours. It's just a matter of preference of what you deem convenient and practical. It doesn't mean his concept won't or can't be practical in terms of a wireless mouse. I think there are to many variations of how Apple could implement a quick charge feature for a mouse in the future.

And my thinking, Apple seems to be leaning towards quick charging features with the Airpods and Apple Pencil.

Apple executes in aesthetics and functionality. Regardless, I think C DM has a strong argument and seems feasible. Again, all views vary.

 

[malaresetting]

Door handle? Why not sliding doors? The Japanese have that problem cracked for centuries.

 

[guzhogi]

I'm guessing you don't see the irony in what you posted.


Mike

Actually, I do. Just need to be extra snarky every once in awhile.
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(but not temperature, Fahrenheit is particularly suited for human habitation: below 50 is too cold, 50's are cold, 60's cool, 70's nice, 80's warm, 90's hot, above 100 is too hot

I think some Chicagoans would disagree with you. We're used to summers being 90+ & winters getting in the single digits, plus it being 50˚ one day, 20˚ the next.

 

[routine_analyst]

I absolutely hated this article on Reuters. Every sentence built into a paragraph that took every opportunity to attack the client for whom the building was created. Without the 5 billion dollars, these fools would have had no job to complain about... without the attention to detail, these construction workers would have not spent the last 3 years employed at this site. They were paid to be silent and yet they spoke out through anonymity - a gutless act.

Dare a project be so perfect that it challenges the sloppy perfection they were used to... I'd have these hogs be forced to wear gloves as well.

 

[IJ Reilly]

I absolutely hated this article on Reuters. Every sentence built into a paragraph that took every opportunity to attack the client for whom the building was created. Without the 5 billion dollars, these fools would have had no job to complain about... without the attention to detail, these construction workers would have not spent the last 3 years employed at this site. They were paid to be silent and yet they spoke out through anonymity - a gutless act.

Dare a project be so perfect that it challenges the sloppy perfection they were used to... I'd have these hogs be forced to wear gloves as well.

Really, and here I thought it was the job of journalists to ask questions and write stories. I must have missed the part where getting the story becomes an "attack."

 

[applezulu]

USB-A and HDMI aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. Everybody including Apple is still selling new machines that have them. There are a zillion USB sticks in circulation. No PCs have gone all TB3/USB-C. I've been looking in vain for a PC motherboard with 2 TB3 slots - even the ones with TB3 tend to go for 1xTB3 + 1 x USB3.1gen2 type A. Don't see any graphics cards with USB-C/TB3 outputs (you have to put in a TB3 card with a flying internal lead to the motherboard and an external DisplayPort cable to the graphics card). Only PCs I've seen with 2xTB3 are the Intel Skull Canyon NUC (which, NB, shows what the Mac Mini could have been by now) and the new Dell XPS 27 iMac-alike (which has a full complement of other ports, too).

You're going to need those dongles forever unless you live in your own little closed environment which you can make all-USB-C. Also, TB3 is severely hampered by only supporting DisplayPort 1.2 which can only drive 5k by using MST (albeit with a single cable).

Meanwhile, if you want a working system today... There's one 5k TB3 display (which is now off the menu until they fix the shielding) and one TB3 dock (which can't charge a MBP) actually available. Other stuff is "coming soon" but I remember that game from the original Thunderbolt days. I'll consider the 2016 MBP when all the stuff I need is available and proven.

Little remembered fact: in 2012, when Apple introduced the Retina MacBook Pro without (shock, horror) optical drives, ethernet or firewire ports, they also updated the 'Classic' MBPs to the latest CPUs and USB3. Because then they understood that some people needed to replace/update existing Macs without having to adopt a whole new philosophy.



Sure. My current Mac is 6 years old and going strong: but only because I've upgraded the RAM, put in a SSD, and swapped the optical drive for a second HD. Good luck doing that with the 2016 MBP.

Looking at Dell's XPS 26 iMac-a-like: it has TB3 for future-proofing, a good range of regular ports for today-proofing, the back comes off with a couple of screws, the SSD is in a standard M.2 socket, the HD is standard 2.5", the RAM is socketed... I've used Windows before and could do again...

With Apple going USB-C first, others will follow. Hopefully that will hasten the transition.

If the FCC hadn't made the call and issued a drop-dead date for the switch to HDTV, we'd still be straddling that gap, with lots of people hanging on to their analog picture tubes. HD sets would still be expensive and struggling to find a market, and 4K and 8K sets would be in perpetual prototype dream world. For all the fussing during that transition, we're all better off for someone having yanked off that band-aid.

There's no governing body with the authority to declare that everyone move forward to USB-C, but Apple might be big enough to drag everyone else over the hill. We'll all be better off if they do.

 

[odditie]

What the architect says is stupid.
This has nothing to do with tolerances. Tolerances are unintentional deviations from the intended measurements (e.g. due to manufacturing). Obviously, you wouldn't design a door to fit exactly into its frame and then hope for such deviations to allow it to be opened. Ideally, you would specify smaller measurements for the door to begin with.
If the intended measurements are correct, small tolerances are good, because they prevent the door from being too big (or small) in the end. Keeping tolerances small can never be bad.

If your doors don't open, there are essentially two possibilities:
1. They have been designed too big.
2. Tolerances are too high and thus the doors are bigger than intended.
In no case is the problem tolerances being too small.

I specifically checked this thread for someone to point that out. That comment made no sense at all.

 

[Good User Name]

You're right about that, I got that wrong

and I have to do conversions, because I'm clueless on what the actual temperature is, 20C means nothing to me
Plus everyone I'm surrounded by doesn't understand it

That's perfectly understandable. I was confused at first too when I had to get used to °C. I found the poem very helpful to just get a feeling:

30 is hot,
20 is nice,
10 is cold,
& 0 is ice.

The key is just to accept that a nice day in the northern hemisphere is probably in the 20s. Perhaps bring a jacket if it'll dip below 20 °C that day or if it'll rain.
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I am from UK and I prefer inches. They are shorter, easy to remember and to operate.

Shorter than what? Easier to remember than what? Operate?

 

[69Mustang]

Why do you appear so angry throughout this thread Mustang? You're not still sulking after that Falcons loss, are you? /S

On topic: I have read both of your arguments, including Tritons. I don't believe @C DM post makes his post any less intelligent than yours. It's just a matter of preference of what you deem convenient and practical. It doesn't mean his concept won't or can't be practical in terms of a wireless mouse. I think there are to many variations of how Apple could implement a quick charge feature for a mouse in the future.

And my thinking, Apple seems to be leaning towards quick charging features with the Airpods and Apple Pencil.

Apple executes in aesthetics and functionality. Regardless, I think C DM has a strong argument and seems feasible. Again, all views vary.

Although the Falcons pee'd in my Cheerios, I assure you there's no anger in any of my posts. As with any post with opposing views, my goal is to challenge the ideas presented. Challenge shouldn't be equated with anger. Also, I didn't imply, and you shouldn't infer, that I thought my posts were more intelligent than @C DM posts. I did explicitly state my opinion that he's made more intelligent posts, which he has on multiple occasions.

Respectfully, quick charging has nothing to do with the focus of the discussion. The focus was attention to detail and how the charging port locations for the stylus and the mouse weren't examples of attention to detail. Our opinions differed. That was fine. I thanked him for the discourse. Can't find anger in that.

 

[bpeeps]

I came here to post this exact sentence.

I came here knowing someone was going to make that useless statement.

 

[Good User Name]

I was all up for us going metric back in the 70's, but popular opinion (reinforced by media who played up - quite fancifully - the problems it would cause) kept that from happening. Sigh. Metric is better for many things (but not temperature, Fahrenheit is particularly suited for human habitation: below 50 is too cold, 50's are cold, 60's cool, 70's nice, 80's warm, 90's hot, above 100 is too hot -- on the other hand, the proposed decabet was awesome, even if SNL got the idea from "Mark Twain").

But relevant to this article, giving construction workers here, who have life-long experience using foot/inch-based measurements, a bunch of blueprints and construction plans done up in meters and millimeters, would be a recipe for disaster. We've had multi-million-dollar interplanetary probes crash and burn because of improper conversions between the two measurement systems.

Neither temperature system is particularly suited for humans. Humans can't tell the difference between a single degree change in °F but they can in °C.

The construction industry in Australia for example had no such difficulties as you imagine that they would. It was a clean break from using inch-pound measures to using metric. They have far fewer mishaps and waste now and they have saved money every year since.

 

[C DM]

Neither temperature system is particularly suited for humans. Humans can't tell the difference between a single degree change in °F but they can in °C.

The construction industry in Australia for example had no such difficulties as you imagine that they would. It was a clean break from using inch-pound measures to using metric. They have far fewer mishaps and waste now and they have saved money every year since.

Realistically once a person lives with one system or another for a bit it doesn't make too much of a difference as one can fairly easily then understand and tell what one or the other one means as far as weather and so forth.

 

[theheed29]

Link to research article with evidence that changing ones gait results in distraction please. That just sounds ridiculous, sorry.

 

[jigzaw]

This is what separates Apple from the rest.

Haters hate for what they believe to be arbitrary detail, but when all put together make the sum of beautiful aesthetic.

Blandness normally cannot understand the levels of work involved in forward thinking creatives.

As always, after the pain staking detail and money that goes into being original, and enduring hate from jealous upholders of mediocrity, said wannabes soon follow suit with their copycat, I mean 'ideas' inspired by Apple.

That's cool and all, but I want a new iMac for my home editing bay and am losing my patience and am beginning to think Apple is quietly discontinuing their entire desktop line, and the film/TV creative community is being reluctantly forced to switch to Windows due to zero attention to the Mac Pro. Also VR is taking off in a big way on every platform EXCEPT the Mac because it is out-of-date and not capable of running modern apps..... and these geniuses are haggling over door jambs.

 

[44267547]

Although the Falcons pee'd in my Cheerios, I assure you there's no anger in any of my posts. As with any post with opposing views, my goal is to challenge the ideas presented. Challenge shouldn't be equated with anger. Also, I didn't imply, and you shouldn't infer, that I thought my posts were more intelligent than @C DM posts. I did explicitly state my opinion that he's made more intelligent posts, which he has on multiple occasions.

Respectfully, quick charging has nothing to do with the focus of the discussion. The focus was attention to detail and how the charging port locations for the stylus and the mouse weren't examples of attention to detail. Our opinions differed. That was fine. I thanked him for the discourse. Can't find anger in that.

If you re-read what I posted, I specifically posted I read yours, C DM And Tritons post(s), which, I commented on the quick charge feature commented by Triton (Post #114) and other posts. I incorporated my thoughts on both of those forum members views leading to yours, Regarding aesthetics, design and functionality, thus leading me to Apple's future possibilities. Again, I stated all views vary.

Aside from that, I was being facetious about you being angry. (You know, internet humor) Poe's Law. Amirite? Anyways, I have been down this rabbit hole with you before. Moving on Bud.

 

[peter2]

Yes... They work on their usual stuff from 8 am to 12 pm. Then they have lunch. Then they put on the yellow construction helmet and start working on the building construction.

What I meant was that they are designing the door handle ;-). No wonder no time remains to address Mac upgrades!

 

[Taipan]

Nope. See, the architect knows something that Apple never could. Doors are often made of wood or wood composites. Wood, unlike metal, shrinks and swells as the humidity and temperature changes. Therefore, you HAVE to give that door some extra room or else is is going to stick. PERIOD.

Yes, that's true. Yet that's not what the term tolerance means (in manufacturing), unless it has a different meaning in English than in German. Tolerance means deviations from the intended measurements due to imperfections of the manifacturing process / machines / material.

 

[ges]

Not sure if this is the justified attention to detail of a company at the top of its game or a kind of fussy madness setting in as it slides from its peak.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

Was this meant as humor or are you really this clueless?

What newer battery technology did Apple neglect to incorporate?

MacRumors ran a story on this ~2 months ago, but I can't find it. Here's the same story from Bloomberg:

Apple engineers wanted to use higher capacity battery packs shaped to the insides of the laptop versus the standard square cells found in most machines. The design would have boosted battery life.

In the run-up to the MacBook Pro's planned debut this year, the new battery failed a key test, according to a person familiar with the situation. Rather than delay the launch and risk missing the crucial holiday shopping season, Apple decided to revert to an older design. The change required roping in engineers from other teams to finish the job, meaning work on other Macs languished, the person said.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-20/how-apple-alienated-mac-loyalists

So yes - Apple neglected including the newest battery technology. This is technology they made for the MacBook which was released in 2015. There's no great reason that they couldn't use the technology again a year and a half later.

 

[RickInHouston]

I'm currently doing the same thing in my WHOLE apartment.

We're awesome.

I WAS awesome, but YOU ARE AWESOME NOW!

 

[brvhrt]

I came here knowing someone was going to make that useless statement.

I made it knowing it contradicts the narrative of Apple apologists and those unaware of what actually constitutes attention to detail.

 

[richinaus]

I came here to post this exact sentence.

why post stupid comments like this? Please list the mass consumer manufacturers that surpass Apple in design and quality of manufacture [and don't have a single issue with anything]. That's right, you can't.

 

[brvhrt]

why post stupid comments like this? Please list the mass consumer manufacturers that surpass Apple in design and quality of manufacture [and don't have a single issue with anything]. That's right, you can't.

See post 222 above. And, for the record, the subject was attention to detail in relation to their construction project versus attention to detail regarding their products and services. There was literally no mention by me in my statement, the quote I quoted or the original article about anyone else.

It's somewhat ironic that your reading comprehension lacks attention to detail.

 

[idunn]

and focuses on the "fanatical" attention to detail demanded by Apple managers throughout the development

Which is fine. If only the same devotion was applied to all Macintosh . . .

 

[MoreAwesomeDanU]

if a door distracts their engineers from working... i'm baffled at how they were ok with this when im working?