Apple's First Bezel-Free iPhone Unlikely to Be Ready for 2026 Launch

[steve09090]

I suppose that this bread without crust (bezels) is a much more immersive bread…. right?

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That was incredibly funny.

Because macrumors isn’t comprised of many thinking users

We don’t all agree, but your definition of immersion needs a rework. I get that you 'made that bed' but there is nothing wrong with conceding. Geez the number of disagreements I have with @turbineseaplane et al, but I respect that they have differing opinions and there are times when I have apologised because I have been 'talked around' as much as I didn’t want to. Don’t be that person who lives and dies by the sword.

As far as bezels go, I can accept the argument that when Sir Ives envisioned the iPhone, he wanted a single slate of glass, and that may be the dream for you too. But at this point, it’s not about immersion rather than an aesthetic. In my humble opinion.

 

[Andy_2341]

Not bezel less considering you can clearly see a black bezel around the screen. Moreover, that is ****ing hideous. It looks like it’s in a cheap standing closet.

Yeah.Even worse is the price.

 

[iGüey]

A cinema screen is immersive because it’s absolutely enormous and takes a large portion of a person’s field-of-view relative to other screens they watch.

At this statement you’re totally right, and also and although you haven’t noticed, you’ve pointed out the key point to understand what immersion is: the relative portion occupied by the object among our entire field-of-view (full scene).

A phone is more immersive if it has smaller bezel.

Based on your own previous statement, this last statement of yours is totally wrong, because a phone, even a bezel-free, is small enough across our entire field-of-view (full scene) as to be considered immersive.

For something to be considered as immersive, it has to occupy a truly large portion of our field-of-view. So a phone by itself (even the largest one) never would be big enough to be considered as immersive, with or without bezels.

You are welcome!

 

[steve09090]

You don’t understand what ‘immersive’ means. That’s okay.

Let me try to help you out:

When humans look at a display, they are looking at a 3D object in their perception. Humans perceive depth thanks to the dynamics of light, the eye, and the fact that we have 2 eyes.

When a human sees a screen which is producing light to display a coherent image, that display has classically been bordered be a black or other-colored bezel, or box (like old console TVs), etc. optimally, due to the fact that we perceive depth, the coherent image produced by a screen is far more visually immersive to us if we reduce the size of the border around the screen.

This is why humans have continually reduced the bezels of TVs and any other devices with a screen, like a smartphone. Ideally we want a device that has a screen with no border around the screen at all. When you do this, the image is more immersive because the entirety of the object is only producing an image and your brain is still interpreting depth so it sees that the display is the primary focus and when you then have only coherent screen information being seen, it becomes more prominent in the human mind. There is no distracting bezel.


Now you know.

I found the root of the problem.

To perceive depth, we need something to establish a point. Quite often it is something static, or at least something that is static "in relation" to something else. Otherwise we are left with something called 'distorted perspective'. A bezel provides this.

So whilst I’m watching the Cricket on TV, I can be immersed because the box (with really small bezels - 65” with 1/4” bezels) is framed and I can see, or interpret the depth of the cricket oval as the screen pans around.

A different example is when we watch sci-fi movies and we "move through space" we get a depth perception when some stars fly by and others appear more static. It’s about relative static features and certainly isn’t helped (in my opinion) about having infinity edges.

It also serves as a separation from other distracting elements that can affect immersion, but that’s not the main problem with your definition above.

 

[steve09090]

At this statement you’re totally right, and also and although you haven’t noticed, you’ve pointed out the key point to understand what immersion is: the relative portion occupied by the object among the entire field-of-view (full scene).


Based on your own previous statement, this last statement of yours is totally wrong, because a phone, even a bezel-free, is small enough across our entire field of view (full scene) as to be considered immersive.

For something to be considered as immersive, has to occupy a truly large portion of our field-of-view. So a phone by itself (even the largest one) never is big enough to be considered as immersive, with or without bezels.

You are welcome!

This part is important. A person could be immersed on a gameboy, as my son was growing up.

We have all been immersed by things that are small, because we have the ability to shut out surrounding features.

 

[platinumaqua]

hardware team gets rid of physical bezels, while the software team adds virtual bezels (excess padding in UI and oversized UI elements)

 

[iGüey]

A person could be immersed on a gameboy, as my son was growing up.

Under that context, I may use the words “engrossed” or even “lost” instead of “immersed”.

 

[steve09090]

hardware team gets rid of physical bezels, while the software team adds virtual bezels (excess padding in UI and oversized UI elements)

I really don’t know why people have to always bash. Actually I do. As someone said earlier, they’re just after likes.

Under that context, I may use the words “engrossed” or even “lost” instead of “immersed”.

to involve someone completely in an activity. Pretty much synonyms.

 

[Cloudyskies22]

I found the root of the problem.

To perceive depth, we need something to establish a point. Quite often it is something static, or at least something that is static "in relation" to something else. Otherwise we are left with something called 'distorted perspective'. A bezel provides this.

So whilst I’m watching the Cricket on TV, I can be immersed because the box (with really small bezels - 65” with 1/4” bezels) is framed and I can see, or interpret the depth of the cricket oval as the screen pans around.

A different example is when we watch sci-fi movies and we "move through space" we get a depth perception when some stars fly by and others appear more static. It’s about relative static features and certainly isn’t helped (in my opinion) about having infinity edges.

It also serves as a separation from other distracting elements that can affect immersion, but that’s not the main problem with your definition above.

Immersive experience is with no bezel. Any amount of bezel reduces the immersive experience further and further.

 

[wdfly]

I actually just feel bad for you now. You don’t understand immersive even when I typed a detailed report to you.

Enjoy bud

Sorry pal, you aren't winning this one, you are the one who truly does not understand the topic at hand, with this comment, you are just making more of a fool of yourself. You did not actually explain immersive at all.

 

[platinumaqua]

I really don’t know why people have to always bash. Actually I do. As someone said earlier, they’re just after likes.

It's a twist on the saying about hardware giveth and software taketh related to computing power. Not really a bash.

If I'm really after likes, I would only post pro-Apple comments as those get more likes.

 

[wdfly]

I really don’t know why people have to always bash. Actually I do. As someone said earlier, they’re just after likes.


to involve someone completely in an activity. Pretty much synonyms.

not really, they are very different terms with different meanings. Immersed is to create an experience where the viewer/user is or feels surrounded by the experience. engrossed means they are just heavily involved in the activity, meaning they are captivated by it, not surrounded by it. very different.

 

[Mr_Ed]

So you’re saying the best immersion screen is a screen that has no bezels. Now I know why I can’t be immersed at a cinema with a 22 metre screen. It’s because of those #$&@ curtains!

Your argument is BS. You can be immersed in a black and white cathode ray tube tv box as much as you can with a version 1 iPad and a 0 bezel phone.

Immersion has nothing to do with bezels, it’s about no distractions from the content.

Exactly! And part of the reason the cinema experience succeeds at limiting distractions is that we are in a darkened environment, limiting the impact of our peripheral vision, which is particularly sensitive to movement. In a dark room, a phone with a full 10 mm bezel would be just as “immersive” as one with a 0.6 mm bezel. In fact, probably more so because no part of it’s screen would be covered by our grubby little fingers holding it.

 

[steve09090]

not really, they are very different terms with different meanings. Immersed is to create an experience where the viewer/user is or feels surrounded by the experience. engrossed means they are just heavily involved in the activity, meaning they are captivated by it, not surrounded by it. very different.

That was a literal definition from the Cambridge Dicrionary. But whatever. As long as you say so you must be right.

 

[wdfly]

That was a literal definition from the Cambridge Dicrionary. But whatever. As long as you say so you must be right.

I do not say so, the dictionary says so. As you can see, these two words have significantly different meanings and use cases.

 

[Cloudyskies22]

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I do not say so, the dictionary says so. As you can see, these two words have significantly different meanings and use cases.

Sorry buddy-boy, but there are more definitions:

im·mer·sive i-ˈmər-siv. -ziv. : providing, involving, or characterized by deep absorption or immersion in something(such as an activity or a real or artificial environment) … when game designers began creating realistic, immersive game environments such as World of Warcraft.

A screen that has no bezel is in fact more immersive than one with a bezel.

 

[wdfly]

Sorry buddy-boy, but there are more definitions:

im·mer·sive i-ˈmər-siv. -ziv. : providing, involving, or characterized by deep absorption or immersion in something(such as an activity or a real or artificial environment) … when game designers began creating realistic, immersive game environments such as World of Warcraft.

A screen that has no bezel is in fact more immersive than one with a bezel.

I'm sorry buddy boy, but you simply are not correct here due to scale and the fact that your definition does not take screen or bezel size into any consideration. You are simply trying to double down on your comment and posted a definition that not only does not support your statement, but reinforces ours. If we were talking about comparing a phone to a large tablet or TV, I might give it to you, but we are only talking about 0.025" here, give or take, that is what makes your comments laughable. You should honestly stop with the immersive bologna and simply say that you just hate bezels. if you had done that in the first place, we would not have made fun of you.

 

[steve09090]

I'm sorry buddy boy, but you simply are not correct here due to scale and the fact that your definition does not take screen or bezel size into any consideration. You are simply trying to double down on your comment and posted a definition that not only does not support your statement, but reinforces ours. If we were talking about comparing a phone to a large tablet or TV, I might give it to you, but we are only talking about 0.025" here, give or take, that is what makes your comments laughable. You should honestly stop with the immersive bologna and simply say that you just hate bezels. if you had done that in the first place, we would not have made fun of you.

Oh you are so single dimensional with your views on this.

I said synonyms ffs. Get a thesaurus and you will find Engross as a synonym for Immerse.

Verbs:
Absorb, engage, ENGROSS, Involve, Occupy.

We could go like this for days, but I know you’re wrong, others know you’re wrong and you probably know it but will refuse to admit it. So I’m going to leave it at that even though I know you won’t. I no longer want to occupy this engrossing discussion and refuse to engage in a topic that no longer immerses me with anything worthwhile.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I think we have run the bezel thinness immersion argument well into the ground

 

[Cloudyskies22]

I'm sorry buddy boy, but you simply are not correct here due to scale and the fact that your definition does not take screen or bezel size into any consideration. You are simply trying to double down on your comment and posted a definition that not only does not support your statement, but reinforces ours. If we were talking about comparing a phone to a large tablet or TV, I might give it to you, but we are only talking about 0.025" here, give or take, that is what makes your comments laughable. You should honestly stop with the immersive bologna and simply say that you just hate bezels. if you had done that in the first place, we would not have made fun of you.

When you go to sleep tonight I want you to think about the fact that you were so wrong and got intellectually decimated.

 

[wdfly]

When you go to sleep tonight I want you to think about the fact that you were so wrong and got intellectually decimated.

LOL that would have had to have happened before I could do that. I assure you I will sleep soundly tonight and not have that thought at all. I grow tired of this conversation as it is simply not worthy of my time any longer. I prefer a good bezel as a delimiter of what is important and what is not and the added protection it offers vs. a screen that runs to the end and is exposed along the edges that would be covered by a case anyway. Good day, and happy new year.

 

[wdfly]

I think we have run the bezel thinness immersion argument well into the ground

Agreed, I am finished with the whole fiasco, I've had my fun with it, on to things that matter now.

 

[steve09090]

LOL that would have had to have happened before I could do that. I assure you I will sleep soundly tonight and not have that thought at all. I grow tired of this conversation as it is simply not worthy of my time any longer. I prefer a good bezel as a delimiter of what is important and what is not and the added protection it offers vs. a screen that runs to the end and is exposed along the edges that would be covered by a case anyway. Good day, and happy new year.

We agreed a long time ago that a bezel is a good thing. It wasn’t others who were so pedantic about word play and shown to not be quite as clever as they thought they were. The bezel plays a solid part (literally as well as figuratively). At least we can all move on knowing nothing more other than iPhone without bezels isn’t necessarily a good thing. And that Immerse and Engross are synonyms of each other….

 

[iGüey]

A screen that has no bezel is in fact more immersive than one with a bezel.

Ok, ok, if you say so….