Why do you think all of the professionals making movies to see on your OLED TV use $50,000 IPS master displays rather than OLED?
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Apple's First OLED iPad Coming in 2023, According to Display Experts
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Of course it does. Apple didn’t make it. I’ve yet to hear anyone complaining about burn in on their iPhones or Apple Watches. Apple doesn’t release hardware until it’s really ready. Unlike other companies that are just in it for the sale.
Food for thought: to get the desired quality, Sony replaced OLED with LED in their professional reference monitors used in mastering and broadcast applications.
Go visit the Apple support forums, plenty of watches and iPhones with burn in. However, watches and phones will show issues much later, as they’re not run 8-10 hours a day as most displays in laptops/monitors/TVs.
It’s unavoidable, non-uniform burn on OLED starts the second you turn it on (similar to plasma and CRT). It’s not noticeable right away, but the more the material is “used”, the dimmer certain areas get. It’s how the technology works, there’s no way around it. I’ve posted pictures of tube wear (CRT) somewhere in home theater section. Similar wear in brightness can be seen with OLED. It can also (including color shift) be measured over time. Can be validated with cheap equipment in the $10k to $20k range, does not have to be NIST certified equipment in the $100k+ range. This is just something one has to accept buying OLED.
Go visit the Apple support forums, plenty of watches and iPhones with burn in. However, watches and phones will show issues much later, as they’re not run 8-10 hours a day as most displays in laptops/monitors/TVs.
It’s unavoidable, non-uniform burn on OLED starts the second you turn it on (similar to plasma and CRT). It’s not noticeable right away, but the more the material is “used”, the dimmer certain areas get. It’s how the technology works, there’s no way around it. I’ve posted pictures of tube wear (CRT) somewhere in home theater section. Similar wear in brightness can be seen with OLED. It can also (including color shift) be measured over time. Can be validated with cheap equipment in the $10k to $20k range, does not have to be NIST certified equipment in the $100k+ range. This is just something one has to accept buying OLED.
”When adopted in the iPad, it will bring improved brightness[...]
Just plain wrong.
Current oleds can’t get as high brightess than lcd.
Just plain wrong.
Current oleds can’t get as high brightess than lcd.
I think they meant the hypothetical new ipad air in relation to the current current, which isn’t the brightest lcd around. It’s poorly worded though so I’m not sure
I like quality brighter LED screens more than OLED. Come at me bro.
Faster processor, better cameras including depth sensors. Plus it’s called Pro. 🏋️♀️
OLED for iOS device? hmmm, doesn't this mean it will have a burn in of the GUI being the most used Apps like say Affinity or a browser like Safari?
MiniLED tvs are a thing? do they have blooming effect? I am in the market of a new tv but I am so confused on which tech to pick. I would go with OLED but what is off-axis colours? I thought OLED gives better viewing angles?
What is with the craziness about "bright" displays? Unless you are watching in your outdoor garden or in an all glass room, all screens are pretty viewable to me. In fact, most of the time I find myself using the screens at lower than 50% brightness. Even if you have big windows, during a movie watch you can just lower the curtains.
MiniLED tvs are a thing? do they have blooming effect? I am in the market of a new tv but I am so confused on which tech to pick. I would go with OLED but what is off-axis colours? I thought OLED gives better viewing angles?
What is with the craziness about "bright" displays? Unless you are watching in your outdoor garden or in an all glass room, all screens are pretty viewable to me. In fact, most of the time I find myself using the screens at lower than 50% brightness. Even if you have big windows, during a movie watch you can just lower the curtains.
How can OLED be better when OLED cannot do HDR properly?
And my QLED TV beats prettty much every OLED TV on the market. So I don’t understand this obsession about OLED.
I think this endless story about OLED on iPad made everyone very tired, and it is not woth talking about that unless it happens.
Really.
May I say "who cares?"...
Really.
May I say "who cares?"...
We have an LG TV that’s OLED. The quality is jaw dropping amazing beautiful. if you’ve been in a Dolby Theater it looks exactly the same. Even though it’s a 2D picture, it really has incredible depth. We can have it in a room with skylights & it’s perfectly fine during the day and it’s amazing how bright it gets. Would I use it outdoors, no. There is no better picture & value than investing in an OLED today. You will not regret the purchase of an OLED TV. All that nonsense of burnin, color shift, off access has to do with older models. Incredible strides have been made with today’s OLED TV’s. Try one out, once you see what it’s like you won’t go back to LED TV’s.
I mainly use my iPad to read in bed before sleep. With night mode, the light coming from the device is minimal. With OLED however, it would be far better when only the white letters emit light, and I can lower the brightness even more because of better contrast.
What asinine statement did you just make? OLED can't do HDR properly? It's literally UHD Premium Certified and has been for years. It provides the best HDR experience available, quite literally 50x better (because they assign it a number rather than the actual infinite contrast) than the LCD spec.
You are aware that brightness actually controls the black level (low IRE) of your image and not the peak whites (high level IRE), right? So if anything, if you want to make the image brighter (raise peak white), you'd have to adjust the contrast setting. This goes way back to the analogue days.
I'd be really careful with such claims, because your OLED TV isn't even DCI compliant and can't process cinema content. So it can't look the same. It's technically not possible.
No, it's the same with brand new models as well. But keep telling yourself that, maybe it makes you feel better.
Why do you thing LG implemented a timer in the firmware of current models that will, when run 8 hours straight (or was it 10?) without changing the channel, void you warranty?
And what is UHD Premium certification, besides a sticker that a manufacturer pays for? Have you actually measured an OLED screen? Which one? What spectroradiometer did you use (just to make sure your wavelength is suitable for OLED and it's specific panel types)?
Just for reference, you can easily get a UHD Premium certification with the following requirements:
- resolution min 3840x2160
- Input must accept 10-bit and BT2020 color space (does not have to cover it 100%)
- must be conform to SMPTE ST2084 EOTF. Min peak white of 1000cd/m^2 at 0.05 black level or 540cd/m^2 at a black level of 0.0005.
I wish people would at least sometimes try to understand these things from a technical perspective. I've been working in image processing for decades, been a research scientist at the institute that came up with the h264 standard... so what's posted on this forum sometimes really want to make me cringe and bite my nails.
Not many people view the same static content on iPhones and Apple Watches for hours on end. Some cases like the watch faces, use pixel shifting to prevent burn in.
The only exception is navigation app, which I have seen cases of burn in among those that drive for a living.
Yup. I just recently picked up an LG CX, which was an upgrade from a 2013-era Panasonic ST60 Plasma — I had basically vowed to hang onto my Plasma set until I was ready to make the jump into OLED, as going from Plasma to LED would have been a downgrade in every way except for brightness.
Ten years ago, everybody was saying the same thing about Plasma TVs when it came to things like burn-in and brightness levels, but I never had a single problem with my ST60 in the eight years I owned it. In fact, it's still working great — it's been relegated to my basement rec room for the kids and other more casual viewing — but I just decided it was finally time to pull the trigger on a 4K set.
I use the LG CX in my upstairs living room, which has two large windows at about a 30° angle to the set. I have no complaints at all about brightness — it's noticeably brighter than my ST60 was, in fact. Of course the high contrast means that dark scenes don't play as well when the room is brightly-lit, but that's mostly a non-issue for daytime programming anyway.
And now someone is going to come along and claim that's because it's run all day long and that shouldn't be done. Guess what, many people work on their laptops and monitors, all day long... they usually don't do that on their phones and watches. And those using their TV to watch a movie or two every day don't do it either.
Really? I have never seen a OLED TV push out 2000 nits like my QLED TV.
And my QLED TV has the same black backgrounds as OLED, except it can push much much higher nits too.
And this is 2 years out. plenty of time for differentiation between models in that time.
Been using OLED iPhones since the very first X (had 4 different ones) never any issue with burn in.
Also had few Samsung Note phones with OLED as well as a Samsung Galaxy book Windows laptop with OLED heavily used again no burn in.
LCD/LED in all forms are obsolete and once you experience a good OLED you’ll never wanna go back to dull colors and ugly grey blacks of even the best LCD.
So let me get this straight:
- iPads - a mixture of mini-LED, LED, and possibly OLED, or maybe, by 2023, it will be a mixture of mini-LED and OLED, with LED having been phased out completely on all SKUs?
- iPhone - LED (only on SE) and OLED (all other models)
- MacBook Air/Pro - LED (on Air, possibly) and mini-LED (on Pro)
- iMac - LED
- Mac Pro - mini LED (on Pro Display XDR)