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Would you put your life in the hands of a computer chip?

It isn't the computer chip, it's the ability for the car to "see". At least Apple's car has 97 cameras on the roof. :p

I like the idea of just putting all the collision-avoidance tech on drivered vehicles with a degree of automated travel, like what Tesla does perhaps.
 
They buried the lead. Why did Google's permits decrease so much?

I don't think Apple fully knows the answers to your questions yet. In light of the recent news of the first pedestrian death by autonomous vehicle, I think Apple (and startups as well) is re-evaluating their role in this industry. Will they stay behind the scenes with an OS only? Will they put their name on an Apple-branded car? Will they only work with an autonomous ride sharing service?

As far as Siri, I have the same questions and do hope they address these at WWDC. But as far as voice assistants, I think Apple is still in wait and see mode even if it's 7 years later. Even though smart speakers seem to be everywhere, I believe Apple is still doesn't see the true value of them. I think HomePod was an Apple Music product and Siri on mobile iOS devices is caught between two different models of operation. All voice assistants from Google, Amazon, Microsoft and Apple are barely useful compared to their promise of utility and functionality. I just hope that Apple is prepared to leapfrog the competition with the next generation of Siri.
Hoping for an overhauled Siri at WWDC every year is becoming like hoping for Half Life 3 at E3 every year: It just isn’t going to happen :(
 
Everyone is freaking out about the death. While sad, I'd like to know how many human drivers worldwide killed pedestrians.

I'm asking about just today. One day. I'd bet it's at least 50.

I understand "OMG COMPUTER DRIVING" is hard to digest, but humans are seriously flawed behind the wheel. DWI, sleepy, distracted, the list goes on. Human nature is to assume we know best all the time (and are the best drivers). Nah, not the case.
 
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Didn't Uber just kill their first pedestrian with their self driving cars yesterday? Talk about bad timing.

Sorry... you just did the same wrong/naive/uneducated thing about 99% of America did. With close to ZERO knowledge of the investigation, they say the car killed a pedestrian. Maybe it did, maybe the pedestrian was killed because they walked in front of a car with not enough time for the car to stop (law of physics).

Meanwhile another 100 people were killed today with cars driven by humans plus thousands injured. But, apparently that is okay.

Again, unless somebody knows all the facts - stop reporting the car was at fault.
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It means that from the data so far, it seems the car made no attempt to avoid the collision, no braking, no swerving. ...allegedly sees way more than humans possibly can do should have been able to at least determine that a collision had occurred and stop the car asap.

Nothing I have read indicated how far the car traveled after hitting the person. Please share how quick it came to a stop.

Meanwhile, he are some calcs on how much time it takes to stop from when a human identifies an issue. Last report I saw said the car was doing 38mph

Speed MPH / Reaction Distance Feet / Vehicle Distance Feet / Total Distance Feet

30mph 66ft 45ft 111ft
40mph 88ft 80ft 168ft

Source : https://arachnoid.com/lutusp/auto.html
 
No amount of sensors will alter the laws of physics that govern how quickly a moving vehicle can stop or how light travels through and around objects.

People don't die in road accidents due to the laws of physics, they die because humans lack the reaction times and skills to be able to manipulate a vehicle in a way that avoids death.

I'd like to see an accident where, in hindsight, death was inevitable. I strongly doubt such an accident exists. Perhaps if the person had've swerved left instead of right, or accelerated instead of braked, the accident could have been avoided. In retrospect there's always a way to see how things could have ended out better.

It'll be interesting to see where the technology is at in 10 or 20 years. Imagine a system that could, in the face of an emergency, run thousands of simulations to determine the best course of action, then take that action. There is certainly no law of physics preventing us from reducing road deaths to zero, we just need more advanced technology to realise the goal.


I've said it before: this is a lot more difficult than what the companies think.

How do you know how difficult companies deem this task to be?


Who’s fault is it if your vehicle kills someone. What a minefield is about to open for the police and lawyers.

When a manufacturer builds a faulty device that causes harm, the manufacturer is liable. This is the case for every product ever manufactured so I don't understand why everyone keeps assuming autonomous vehicles will live under some fantasy jurisdiction where the person sitting inside a vehicle they can't control is magically deemed to be at-fault in case of a fatal collision.
 
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You know, despite the people clamouring for an Apple Car... i think this is being developed as a system to sell care manufacturers, alongside CarPlay rather than go into a car being made by Apple themselves.

I'd say Apple's next stage will be miniaturisation of the sensor suite so that it can be more discretely implemented into a consumer vehicle.
 
soon Apple will be flying to the space. They try to do everything, but almost nothing properly ..
 
Now they are killing people with them, even with backup safety driver. Nobody prosecuted, that means it is a legal activity. Very dangerous situation coming up in the future.
 
Robots in control ? Only if humans let them take over.. All you gotta do is say that magic word "convenience" and all humans will be putty in the palm of technologies hands.
 
I'll never get one of these...
...no where to put my kayak or skis.
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(awaiting flood of "well, the real car isn't going to have all of this on top!" posts)
 
People don't die in road accidents due to the laws of physics, they die because humans lack the reaction times and skills to be able to manipulate a vehicle in a way that avoids death.

I'd like to see an accident where, in hindsight, death was inevitable. I strongly doubt such an accident exists. Perhaps if the person had've swerved left instead of right, or accelerated instead of braked, the accident could have been avoided. In retrospect there's always a way to see how things could have ended out better.

It'll be interesting to see where the technology is at in 10 or 20 years. Imagine a system that could, in the face of an emergency, run thousands of simulations to determine the best course of action, then take that action. There is certainly no law of physics preventing us from reducing road deaths to zero, we just need more advanced technology to realise the goal.

Sorry, this is pure fantasy. Your fundamental premise that the technology can know all the contributing factors to an accident in advance is faulty. Technology can reduce certain factors that contribute to fatal accidents, but it cannot eliminate all the variables. The only way to guarantee that you won't die in an accident is to stay far away from roads and vehicles.

Consider this real life situation: A tree is struck by lightning and consequently falls across a road on a passing car. How could the vehicle have anticipated and avoided this accident? Brake at the moment of the strike? Accelerate? Swerve off the road? Every one of those actions is limited by the physics of the situation, and, without the benefit of advanced
knowledge of the strike, none could have avoided the accident.
 
I'd say Apple's next stage will be miniaturisation of the sensor suite so that it can be more discretely implemented into a consumer vehicle.
Or either offload their incredibly monstruous camera scaffolding to a separate trailer
 
"We sort of see it as the mother of all AI projects. It's probably one of the most difficult AI projects actually to work on."

idk, Siri seems pretty difficult since it isn't better than Alexa or Google. Maybe they'll be like, "Apple Car!" then 6 years later, you still can't set multiple routes.
 
Now they are killing people with them, even with backup safety driver. Nobody prosecuted, that means it is a legal activity. Very dangerous situation coming up in the future.

First, no legal conclusions have been drawn. Second, it's entirely possible the fault, if there was any, lies on the pedestrian. Why is that causing so much confusion?
 
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But they can’t find the money, resources or time to update the Mac pro, the Mac mini, a monitor or airport. PATHETIC.
 
lol good one!. . .
I have a model 3 reservation and I'm starting to be a little worried about Tesla. In terms of self-driving capability they've been rated as lagging quite far behind the competition and manufacturers are gearing up to release full-blown, long range electric vehicles in the next couple of years. By the time the rest of the world, e.g. me, gets to order the Model 3, the Audi e-tron, Jaguar's electric SUV and VW ID series of cars will be available. And that's just European manufacturers.

Aside from all that, the more I think about the Model 3, the more I think the sedan/saloon type is not really for me. I'm a coupe/hatchback sort of person.


edit: the e-tron is aimed at the Model X, disregard that one.
 
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I'm really curious what Apple's endgoal with this is.

Are they building a car? that rumour never seems to go away, yet we've never seen anything to really substantiate it.

Are they planning on licensing self driving tech to car manufacturers? If so, they need to be fast, because car manufacturers aren't going to pay Apple a premium for something they are already doing themselves.

Are they working on a car based OS to rival QNX? would be interesting but Apple has never shown evidence of caring about a just in time OS and MacOS, iOS, Android, windows, etc are NOT capable of the quick process switching required for something as integral as this.

this might be Apple's best kept secret since the original iPhone. I just am not imaginative enough to see a place for Apple at the self driving table under their current leadership and direction. Seems like a pet project at best.

Right now the only real logical use case is their own upgraded version of an existing car for their own fleet use for Apple Maps data.
 
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