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Apple's Focus, Digital Music and More to Come?

Originally posted by zupchuck
I guess I'm missing something fundamental. It wouldn't be the first time. 🙂 But, why shouldn't Apple have a 64-bit OS before all of their machines are 64-bit capable? Windows will have one and it will run on 64-bit machines. If you don't have a 64-bit machine, buy one if it fits your means. Or, use the 32-bit version of the OS. It's like saying that current Porsche owners can't drive fast until all the Audis and VWs have similarly capable engines and tires. Yes, some apps run faster on the G5 already. That's great! I'm sure if a true 64-bit OS X comes out, a 32-bit version will be there.
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If there was a 32 and a 64 bit version of the same OS, having the same features, except that the 64 bit one provided access to more memory, then that would be a great migration path for Apple to take. I think what people are worried about is a scenario like Mac OS X 10.3 being the last version to support 32 bit stuff, and from then on everything is only for 64 bit hardware, which would then leave everyone with old stuff in the cold. Basically, Mac OS X 10.3 supports all "modern" G3 and up systems, which means hardware from over 6 years ago can run all current software. It would suck to go from that, to a situation where only machines from the last 6 months could run the newest OS.

So, as long as the 64 bit support is in the form of operating system extensions, and not some hard requirement, then I think people will be happy.

- Mark Collette
 
money vs machine

point well taken in that as the more the software can crunch, rip, shred, manage, maniplulate, store data, and THAT data is more and more in the form of digital audio-video stream the fact is that the hardware just needs more horsepower......it's called 'progress'.....look at it this way: you can still fly coast to coast in a sinlge prop gas engine plane for minimal cost, or you could hop into a 20th century invention (jet) and get there in 1/20 the time....albeit 20X the cost...but hey, if you're all about what's going on where you're going (I.E. software app's) then the higher cost is an unfortunate byproduct......of course you can send your girlfriend on the crop duster to L.A. while you zip there in a 747 in 6 hours...🙂....again, the cost side of the equation is well taken, but lucky for us 'users' it's the one part of technology that is ALWAYS in decline......🙂.....
 
Originally posted by zupchuck
I guess I'm missing something fundamental. It wouldn't be the first time. 🙂 But, why shouldn't Apple have a 64-bit OS before all of their machines are 64-bit capable? Windows will have one and it will run on 64-bit machines. If you don't have a 64-bit machine, buy one if it fits your means. Or, use the 32-bit version of the OS. It's like saying that current Porsche owners can't drive fast until all the Audis and VWs have similarly capable engines and tires. Yes, some apps run faster on the G5 already. That's great! I'm sure if a true 64-bit OS X comes out, a 32-bit version will be there.
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Right. IMHO that's what will happen. I, at least, was responding to the people who (as Mark said) were thinking that 10.3 would be the last 32-bit-compatible OS. It seemed like you were agreeing with them, since you were disagreeing with someone who disagreed with them...or something. I think you're right, we'll see a 64-bit(-optimized) OS alongside a 32-bit one for quite some time, maybe even starting with 10.4...

WM
 
some things never change

looking at all these posts makes me feel like this is 2001-2002, when people went ape poo when Apple released a Powermac G4 "speed increase". forget this...What i am interested in is what will apple do in regards with the iSight CCD (or higher mega-pixel ccd from same supplier), FW800, and the tiny 4 GB storage HD. Think Sanyo Xacti (www.sanyo-dsc.com) but the ability to store Mpeg4 in a HD or offload pixs and video into your ipod. I think it would be the first consumer FW800 device. and it would complement your iPod most beautifully.
 
Originally posted by Bilba
One last factor that should be brought into the discussion is that buyers of models that are sold for long period of time usually get a better product. Example: current buyers of the 15" powerbook no longer experience whitespots/letch issues. While the price/spec did not change, there are revisions to the product, and current buyers take advantage of them. This can be viewed as a "discount".
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i don't call that a 'discount' ...other companies give those customers with defective products some bonus things because of the problems they had with their bad product...

bringing a product to the point "it should have been from the start" without charging money is normal... : VW orderd back 1/2 Million !! Polos and exchanced parts which were defectiv.. for free, Mercedes orderd back back their whole brand new E-Class and exchanged half of the electric system..for free
apple isn't offering exchange of ipod-battery in europe...you have to do it on your own

rant mode: ON
the thing with the 'prosumers' is perhaps the thing apple is missing at the point... most prosumers don't like to buy 'used' computers (me included) -> so apple only offers the 'low end' powermacs and those aren't really in the "prosumer price class" with 2050-2150$ as starting price for the 1,6 ghz modell

refurbished macs ? only 12 hours on wednesday for credit card owners... then there are hardly any pro towers available most of the times no G5 at all ...
rant mode: OFF

portables: no problem here..they're fine even without a G5 in the pro modell and have very good value compared tp PC notebooks

desktop: need lots of work. period.
 
Originally posted by evilbert420


Really, it's about design too. I happen to really like the iMac design asthetic. The "big shiny metal box" next to a somewhat-mismatched flat screen isn't what I'm looking for.

I understand your point, and that's why I've bought Power Macs in the past. But I'd really like to buy an iMac for our living room, but I stubbornly refuse to buy another G4.
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I concur. I want performance, but that doesn't mean I need empty space for upgrading. Give me a tight box that's packed in the first place. My iMac sits on my coffee table in my small apartment. I'm not interested in a headless iMac, and an enormous tower with a stationary LCD screen. My computer doesn't sit over on a desk, a tool I go over to when I need it; it's integrated in my life. I use it in the midst of conversation. It's my TV, dvd player, jukebox, plugged into surround sound. Just because I want to be able to really use garageband doesn't mean I want to accept the terribly incovenient packaging of a tower. It's too big to saw off the legs of the coffee table and support the one end with the tower. Why does form factor have to be tied to specs? Why not have a 23-inch G5 iMac with FW800, USB2, digital audio out, and a faster 250GB HD?
 
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woohah! Give those fingers a rest!

To emphasise the point of music videos. I think we are less likely to see movies on ipods but more likely to see music videos. They are smaller and "part of the package" of modern music (see MTV). Combining them into iTMS and the legal issues would have to be simpler than making deals with film production companies.

I think people would watch them more than once. I know of a number of video clips I would like to have and to easily access thru the ipod interface.

Let Gates have boring old disney formulaic american mythic rubbish - the kids want new in your face FAST content.
 
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Originally posted by doogle
woohah! Give those fingers a rest!

To emphasise the point of music videos. I think we are less likely to see movies on ipods but more likely to see music videos. They are smaller and "part of the package" of modern music (see MTV). Combining them into iTMS and the legal issues would have to be simpler than making deals with film production companies.

I think people would watch them more than once. I know of a number of video clips I would like to have and to easily access thru the ipod interface.

Let Gates have boring old disney formulaic american mythic rubbish - the kids want new in your face FAST content.
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Per your suggestion I watched MTV. I didn't see any music videos though. Maybe I should give them a few more hours.

Seriously, what would make sense is something the size of a portable DVD player with a 160 GB drive so you could store you could take 10 plus movies with your with out carrying any DVD's. But no one really wants to watch a movie (or even a music video) on a two inch screen.
 
yes you are right - I guess I am including (deluding) that some sort of device like the guy described above would be on the cards. Watching a video on a current ipod screen would be a waste of time....but some thought it ridiculous to use a numeric keypad for typing (mobile phone).

What is better to say , perhaps, is that I can see a market for viewing music videos on a handheld device but not movies.

(Now if the next ipod had embedded OSX on the chip, had a 40gig hard drive and a usb port to connect a keyboard and a video signal via firewire to connect to a monitor/TV we would have a real portable computer and no need for a portable video player)
 
rfenik said:
The only thing that I hate about QuickTime is that it doesn't go full screen. I have to use MPlayer to view full screen. Why didn't they put a full screen feature in Quicktime? Do they think that people like watching movies with a window bordering it? At least they didn't do it with DVD player....
-ko
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You can add full-screen functionality to QuickTime Basic with a script you can get here:
http://www.xvsxp.com/scriptability/applescript/
 
I don't think OS 11 is going to come out until around the time Longhorn does. If it comes out any sooner, it will not be 64-bit.

After all, noticed that only last year Apple stopped selling G3 computers, despite having had the G4 for years.

I would expect that we'll get PowerBook G5's as soon as IBM can shrink them enough, and faster iBook G4's. Then it will be as before- instead of iBook = G3 and PowerBook = G4, it will be iBook = G4 and PB = G5. Then the eMac and iMac will also be upgraded to G5's.

I doubt we will see a 64-bit only Mac OS until every computer in Apple's line has been G5 for at least 6 months.
 
Quick Time

windcedar said:
You can add full-screen functionality to QuickTime Basic with a script you can get here:
http://www.xvsxp.com/scriptability/applescript/
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that would be a great feature in Quick Time to see it full screen, or even somewhat larger than what is currently available. Is this a thrid party software upgrade, or is it Apple?. I'm assumimng third party or else it would available as an add on in Quick Time Pro. Can anyone comment on this. Has anyone else seen/ used/ installed it?......
 
in_my_head said:
that would be a great feature in Quick Time to see it full screen, or even somewhat larger than what is currently available. Is this a thrid party software upgrade, or is it Apple?. I'm assumimng third party or else it would available as an add on in Quick Time Pro. Can anyone comment on this. Has anyone else seen/ used/ installed it?......
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Forgive me if I'm misreading this post (late night of working + sick child), but surely you haven't missed the Movie menu options, which clearly include "Double Size" and "Full Screen" options. This script merely enables the use of Full Screen mode in non-Pro versions. I've got the Pro version, so I can't tell you if it works or not (but I assume it does).
 
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