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Apple's Greg Joswiak: No Plans to Merge Mac and iPad

Merging would be horrible..
whats needed is that IpadOs get proper external display support without those black borders.. because there already is bluetooth keyboard and mouse support.

then its just up to debelopers to make some more ”professional” apps for it
 
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Yes yes yes. I do not want macOS on an iPad. iPad OS being touch first handheld and made for the future is exactly why I use it over a Mac. But what I do want is iPad OS to improve. Make it more advanced. But I want an iPad OS experience. If I didn’t, then i would just get a Mac. There is something to be said about iPad OS. That is the simplicity, security and all that great stuff. I don’t want multi tasking if it comes at the cost of cluttered desktops. Crowding a desktop OS on an iPad OS is no good. If anything devs will not be compelled to make the iPad itself a first class experience focusing on the Mac side. I do not want that. I want apps to work well with or without a keyboard. That is why iPad OS is so good. Undock it and it becomes a tablet annoatiation reading entertain casual internet/email and drawing device, dock it and it is more productivity focused. I want iPad OS improvements not macOS. If I see pro apps like final cut. I want them ready for iPad OS not a Mac. As a student who literally watched the iPhone become what it is today, I love the modern iPad - so much better than macOS. Look the ram and the processor means something is coming for software. But I want a better developed iPad software not macOS thrown onto the iPad.
 
Apps just need to be more uniform between iPadOS and MacOS, no need for a full blown port.
 
farewelwilliams said:
you'd be forced to carry around a keyboard and mouse even though you probably won't need it. you may as well buy a macbook if you're always carrying a keyboard and mouse for tablet apps, negating the tablet experience.
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My use case for this would be to leave a screen, keyboard and mouse in my office, and keep the iPad as the mobile device for travel & home use. When I get to the office, I connect to the screen and do my work. I wouldn't need to carry the peripherals around with me, unless I needed to work somewhere else, in which case I'd use a laptop.

The advantage for me is having a really small & light device to carry in transit (I cycle-commute, so weight and size is a concern)
 
WiseAJ said:
I'm not forgetting anything, those haven't been updated yet. Maybe not this year but they could likely in the future update those with M-chips as well.

Before they put the M1 in the iPad Pro this week I wouldn't have thought they would have an M chip in anything outside of Macs, but now, You just never know. It is a possibility.

In the future you could have Mx chips in iPhones/iPad mini/air/ lower tier Macs and then the MxX chips in iPad Pros and higher tier Macs. Maybe even a third MxZ or something for the Mac Pros.
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Weren’t there rumours that the next A14X chip was going to be on par if not exceed the M1. About the only thing that is a surprise is the huge jump in RAM.
 
They introduced the new iPP with a video of Tim Cook taking the processor out of a Mac and putting it into an iPad— are they really surprised that there’s some confusion out there?
 
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Cosmosent said:
My $0.02, as an EE.

They're doing it because they are resource-limited.

They have alot of projects they want to work on, & ONLY so many engineers.

So, they leverage as much as possible; this has been going on for years now @ AAPL,

So, yes, they are merging products, & the new VP's stance is (probably) BS.

But they're probably doing it for a reason few thought about.

Resource limitations being primary, & Economies of Scale being the main other.
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I agree. The main reason Apple uses M1 chips for the new ipad pro is probably because of economics of scale. Its cheaper (per chip) to manufacture, for example, 10million of the same M1 chips than it is to manufacture two separate 5mill M1 +5mill A14z chips. Its the smart thing to do. (dunno about the pricing of the new ipad pro tho lol)

I also dont believe that they will merge the ipad with the mac. However I think they will be more seamlessly integrated together ala sidecar, meaning more apps and features 'exploiting' the power of the mac and ipad coupled together for some productivity gains or something.
 
mansplains said:
I don't understand the use case for an iPad if you have a portable Mac but for content consumption. As an owner of multiple iPad Pros over the years I've gotten rid of them because I can't justify the price or hardware for what I realistically used them for. If you're developing I could see the screen being handy for testing your interfaces etc but you're typing code on a keyboard, not using the touch screen for the actual pro part. FCPX or LPX on iPad only for it to be portable? Just use a MBP, the touch input isn't a crazy benefit, especially when you consider audio recording and amplification on the LPX end. The touch input with pencil is solid for drawing or graphics manipulation, I used Affinity and Adobe but found my iMac to be better for both and I didn't need it to be portable.
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If used in conjunction with a "static" screen, keyboard and mouse/trackpad, the iPad could become a capable computing platform that is a lot smaller (in the 11" format) and lighter than a laptop.

There has been a promise of "just plugging in your phone" to a desktop "dock" for a while (and Samsung implemented it, I think). The performance of the new iPad Pros could make this concept more viable, because it would be almost the same as a good laptop. Assuming iOS supports the apps you need of course!
 
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AceFernalld said:
I’m realizing more and more lately that I love the primarily one-app focus of iPadOS.
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I’m actually curious about the windowed multitasking thing. Because, really, even if they have multiple windows open, they’re REALLY only interacting with one. Unless someone’s got some novel computer interface beyond a mouse and keyboard, the only thing you’re doing is looking at a Window.
 
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I don't want MacOS on an iPad, fine. But, I don't want my iPad experience to be gimped. I don't want the Files app to be 10% of what Finder is on the Mac. I hate that I can't sync my entire iCloud Drive on to my iPad, like I can with a Mac. I hate that apps are so sandboxed in iPadOS that it makes simple things twice as hard.

So no, I'm not asking for MacOS on an iPad. I just want to be able to use my iPad, with all its power, without artificial limitations.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
I’m actually curious about the windowed multitasking thing. Because, really, even if they have multiple windows open, they’re REALLY only interacting with one. Unless someone’s got some novel computer interface beyond a mouse and keyboard, the only thing you’re doing is looking at a Window.
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Exactly! The only times I personally need to work with multiple windows in parallel is if I’m watching some content at the same time (solved by PiP) or have a message conversation ongoing (solved by the ability to either slide over or pin Messages to the right quarter of the screen).
 
mnsportsgeek said:
1. I want to be able to transfer music, photo and video files into the TV and Music apps without using a laptop. I believe you can do this for photos, so the next step is music and videos. I believe this is not possible because Apple wants to force you to purchase everything through Apple. Basically I want a more versatile files app and the ability to import files into the native apple apps.
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This is the big one for me. I create music on GarageBand and would love to have a way to get it into my iTunes:)
 
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I’m actually curious about the windowed multitasking thing. Because, really, even if they have multiple windows open, they’re REALLY only interacting with one. Unless someone’s got some novel computer interface beyond a mouse and keyboard, the only thing you’re doing is looking at a Window.
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I think it’s like saying your desk only needs to be 8.5” by 11” because you’re only looking at one sheet of paper. My virtual desktop is like my physical one— a whole pile of stuff. Sometimes I have multiple things I’m looking at or comparing, but sometimes I know where a document is because I can grab the corner that’s visible behind all the others and pull it to the front. Our brains are wired for spatial memory.

Thats why I want iPadOS to keep my interface clean in the limited real estate of my iPad, but want MacOS to let me be as messy as I want to be across two 27” displays.

It’s also why I want those displays to have very small stands to accommodate the mess on my physical desk...
 
farewelwilliams said:
It's stupid to merge both products or both operating systems. No point. You might think you want it, but you're not going to use it in the long run.

Merging iPad and Mac is just plain stupid.
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My dream is some kind of Magic Keyboard, that when you put your iPad on it, it magically transitions to macOS. Apple would still have two separate OSes.

Now THAT would honor the name "Magic Keyboard".
 
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This is the big one for me. I create music on GarageBand and would love to have a way to get it into my iTunes:)
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Ya, I think when most people say they want MacOS on their iPad. They really just want the basic functionality of MacOS that is currently missing from their iPad. I'd say I fall into that bucket. I like the iPad for what it is. I just want those missing features such as a full featured file system, so that I can have 1 device and be confident that it can do everything I'll need to do.
 
dannys1 said:
I don't even know where my iPad Pro is now it's used so little. I lot the Apple Pencil 2 and bought another one and i've not used either - I just like to sort of collect it cos it's Apple but really - i've never thought much of the iPad or iOS. Everytime I try to use it, it's a horrible experiance compared to macOS and the way I very heavily multitask and tab+command all the time through lots of apps. Within about 15 seconds there's something I can't do on it that I need a Mac for - or something that just much much faster and easier to do on the Mac.

But for my 75 year old mum she does everything on an iPad and it's literally perfect for her.
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My experience was similar, but using an iPad with a keyboard and mouse/trackpad does make it a lot more useful for anything approaching work.

I use my iPad all time time as content-consumption device because of its very convenient form factor (e.g. I don't want a laptop in bed, in the kitchen, doing exercicse, or <ahem> the bathroom.

If the new iPad works well with an external screen, then it would become a viable plug-in computer for a fixed desktop setup.
 
Alan Wynn said:
He never said that. In talking about the iPhone, he said that if one needed a stylus to operate a phone, it was a poor design. He was comparing it to the Palm and Windows which needed a stylus for basic operation.

I have no idea what you mean by “a real computer”? Windows machines do not run Mac Apps, and I think they are “real computers”, as are Linux machines and many other devices. Pretty sure it is a Turing-complete system with an OS capable of running applications, seems like a real computer to me.When people
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Alan Wynn said:
He never said that. In talking about the iPhone, he said that if one needed a stylus to operate a phone, it was a poor design. He was comparing it to the Palm and Windows which needed a stylus for basic operation.

I have no idea what you mean by “a real computer”? Windows machines do not run Mac Apps, and I think they are “real computers”, as are Linux machines and many other devices. Pretty sure it is a Turing-complete system with an OS capable of running applications, seems like a real computer to me.
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A “real computer” (to most people) is a general purpose computer that can run arbitrary software without artificial restrictions. For example, there is no technical reason why you could not run a compiler on an iPad, but you can’t because Apple artificially restricts it.
 
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Freeangel1 said:
they are already merged as far as I can see.
with every New version of macOS the OS resembles iPadOS More and More.
Come on. Everyone has been noticing this.
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There much more to OS design and functionality than the shape of icons.
 
rpmurray said:
Oh? Then why does every new version of macOS get dumbed down further and further to behave more like iOS? To the point where features are taken away from macOS to make it have feature parity with iOS, and features of iOS are added to macOS.
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The most compelling change is the odd menu bar icon spacing in Big Sur. The only logical reason I can come up with is touch compatibility.
 
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