Xcode is a great development environment for Obj-C, I don't use it for any other development though.
And could you give me an example of Flash being smoother than Obj-C?
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Apple's Hiring of Kevin Lynch Questioned Amid Concerns Over His Staunch Defense of Flash
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Xcode is a great development environment for Obj-C, I don't use it for any other development though.
And could you give me an example of Flash being smoother than Obj-C?
In Australia nearly all govt. websites use flash. If you want to do your tax you need to install flash. I'm assuming America will still be similar.
The real question is what percentage of Apple's OSX Mac's *don't* have flash installed.
He was the CTO for adobe. This isn't personal, it is professional.Professionally he gave Adobe bad advice on the future for mobile computing and Flash.
His judgement was a massive failure \for Adobe as they spent 3 billion on MacroMedia and the product he spearheaded and advocated.
Thats the kind of professional ability Apple does not need
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That is absurd.
if as CTO he wasn't giving his true thoughts on Adobe the technology he spearheaded, he was a fraud.
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That is absurd.
if as CTO he wasn't giving his true thoughts on Adobe the technology he spearheaded, he was a fraud.
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I am kind of indifferent about Flash. I don't really care for it, but it doesn't bother me as much as it does some.
Anyway, after this was announced and then reading the background on Kevin Lynch, I see that Kevin was/has been heavily involved in Frame Maker at Adobe.
I don't want Kevin on the Apple payroll till FrameMaker is back on the Mac, and running at least as well as PhotoShop does.
Anyway, after this was announced and then reading the background on Kevin Lynch, I see that Kevin was/has been heavily involved in Frame Maker at Adobe.
I don't want Kevin on the Apple payroll till FrameMaker is back on the Mac, and running at least as well as PhotoShop does.
Nah, if your company decides to do something you don't like are you going to bad-mouth them publicly? That's very unprofessional and it will be most contracts as grounds for dismissal.
Personal opinions are far from fraud.
Of course the caveat is if they are going to do something illegal, sell drugs etc. then you take it to the police.
More than one right answer
I think this is a situation where there can be more than one right answer and a good argument can be made for Flash. Rather one believes Flash is the best technology is somewhat irrelevant. It's popularity warrants some level of support. There is still a large amount of Flash content out on the web and it is limiting to not be able to enjoy it using an Apple device.
I think this is a situation where there can be more than one right answer and a good argument can be made for Flash. Rather one believes Flash is the best technology is somewhat irrelevant. It's popularity warrants some level of support. There is still a large amount of Flash content out on the web and it is limiting to not be able to enjoy it using an Apple device.
I agree with those saying this is the 5%
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Given the number of times Apple has had to disable both to stop security issues you really think that's an issue.
If anything they might him to help seal up holes before they are an issue.
Hahaha...really? He gave bad advice? Do you realize that there are top-selling apps in the App Store that are actually created with Adobe's FlashBuilder (e.g. Machinarium)? Flash goes beyond the browser 'player' that you only know about. It's actually a platform and a very viable one at that. Maybe you should withhold criticism until you someday become a C-level exec at a major successful company.
- Anyone who wishes to code a Flash app for the Mac can do so. Adobe provides tools, and Apple supports distribution in the MAS and in the iOS App Store.
- Flash never supported accessibility (and, no, the way-too-late PC-only accessibility stuff does not count). Flash look-and-feel always looked and felt decidedly different from the native interface.
- The superiority of one IDE over another is a moot issue for this discussion.
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I really wonder what this is going to mean for Apple devices having flash?
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When I first read this announcement the first thing that came to mind is that Kevin Lynch (the Adobe CTO) had finally recognized that Flash was "over" and that he was just jumping ship to move on to something better (iOS and Apple). I think it is highly unlikely that he will be working to build Flash support into iOS. More likely this is just another confirmation that Flash is past its peak and that it will be a fast downhill (for Flash) from here on out.
It's fine you don't like Gruber, but you shouldn't use a reference to autism to mock him. It's disrespectful to the families that care for children with autism, autistic children, etc.
Nothing - Flash is independently produced and distributed by Adobe. Lynch's role at Apple appears to have nothing to do with Flash (he isn't reporting to anyone on the iOS or OSX side of things - he reports to Bob Mansfield) and Adobe isn't going to do anything to flash based on loosing an employee to Apple.
ETA: If Apple wanted to put flash on iOS (of which I can assure you that they are not - especially after all the effort that they have to dismissing it) they don't need to hire Adobe's CTO. They wouldn't need to hire anybody from Adobe at all. THey would either make it themselves (Using Adobe's licensed API's) or just get Adobe to write it. In a sense - they would do it the same way that Google did before gave up on the platform.
I agree with you that hiring Lynch has nothing to do with putting Flash on iOS or building pro apps to compete with Photoshop, etc.. Anybody who thinks Flash has a future on mobile devices hasn't been paying attention the last few years. No one outside of Apple knows the real reason but this article definitely presents a compelling theory;
http://www.businessinsider.com/kevin-lynch-is-the-new-ray-ozzie-2013-3
Interesting, but I disagree with the author when he talks about the guy (whoever it is) who doesn't think it will work. A comparison with Microsoft can only go so far - Microsoft is a massive company with massive products and services and a totally different business environment than anything Apple has.
I just don't think think we can compare the environment at Apple to working at MS - they have two different philosophies. What works at one company may not apply at another. It's way too early to predict anything.
I just don't think think we can compare the environment at Apple to working at MS - they have two different philosophies. What works at one company may not apply at another. It's way too early to predict anything.
It makes you wonder if Lynch is reporting to Mansfield to save face if Cook decides Lynch doesn't fit in with Apple's culture. You don't give up being the CEO in waiting for nothing.
I do think Gruber is somewhat overacting. I suspect Lynch will be working on future cloud-based services and products, not iOS or OS X.
It'll be interesting to see if they trot him out at WWDC. My bet is that they won't.
I do think Gruber is somewhat overacting. I suspect Lynch will be working on future cloud-based services and products, not iOS or OS X.
It'll be interesting to see if they trot him out at WWDC. My bet is that they won't.
Why do Apple need to look for new execs outside the company? Can't they just promote someone from the company?? I'm confused. If they want to keep Apple culture the way it is and very few people is going to fit into the culture, why hire somebody else from outside the company...
Wow!
A sane post about Flash on this forum!
(BTW, ironically, MacRumors is sustained largely because of the Flash banner ads appearing below as I type.)
Thank you!
Seems there might only be two of us that I can see here on the forums lol
I love Apple products but I call ********* on the whole Flash sucks and runs like a pile of crap. The truth is mobile devices weren't powerful enough to properly support a run-time plugin as powerful as Flash at the time and instead of admitting that the processing and graphics power just wasn't there yet, they concocted a ******** rant on how HTML5 is the amazing future and Flash needs to die. For video and cleaning up HTML and CSS standards I say great. For rich interactive content "HTML5 canvas" can suck it by comparison with Flash and the authoring tool for allowing the development of interactive mixed with data driven content.
Way to take a step backwards and try to eliminate a powerfully creative tool for the net instead of working together to improve things. Morons. Apple needs to focus on improving its graphics subsystem because its buggy and outdated as hell. That'd fix the "Flash" problems.
HTML 5 needs better development tools; why doesn't Adobe release a Flash to HTML5 compiler/IDE?
you can be wrong, even when you're right
gruber, is excellent. one of the very best bloggers in all of tech. why? because in most cases he's logical, insightful, fairminded and above the fray. i have huge respect for him most of the time.
in this case however, he seems to be in attack mode immediately- almost re-actively. this adobe guy seems like an easy target, kind of a soft, nerdy type (his parody video was dorky even by corporate video standards; half-baked red meat for the home crowd to convince themselves they are right about flash even though they know they're wrong- they had it "running" on an iPhone so thy must have seen how bad it was) and it just seems untoward to pounce on a man without gathering more information about him than the few random times he's previously popped up in media. maybe investigate? talk to people he's worked with? take a serious look at his technical and career achievements, positive and negative?
even if john gruber is right, he's wrong for how he's going about this. creating negative momentum about someone before their first day on the job is senselessly cruel and just plain bad karma. let the newbie sink or swim on his own merits. anything more than that is tampering; rigging the game so the outcome swings your way and you look like the ultimate prognosticator. not exactly the classy thing to do.
gruber, is excellent. one of the very best bloggers in all of tech. why? because in most cases he's logical, insightful, fairminded and above the fray. i have huge respect for him most of the time.
in this case however, he seems to be in attack mode immediately- almost re-actively. this adobe guy seems like an easy target, kind of a soft, nerdy type (his parody video was dorky even by corporate video standards; half-baked red meat for the home crowd to convince themselves they are right about flash even though they know they're wrong- they had it "running" on an iPhone so thy must have seen how bad it was) and it just seems untoward to pounce on a man without gathering more information about him than the few random times he's previously popped up in media. maybe investigate? talk to people he's worked with? take a serious look at his technical and career achievements, positive and negative?
even if john gruber is right, he's wrong for how he's going about this. creating negative momentum about someone before their first day on the job is senselessly cruel and just plain bad karma. let the newbie sink or swim on his own merits. anything more than that is tampering; rigging the game so the outcome swings your way and you look like the ultimate prognosticator. not exactly the classy thing to do.
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flash was, and remains, owned by a private company who had what amounted to a market share 'monopoly' in media creation/distribution tools, and it badly hurt the mac platform when adobe chose, as a private company (which is their right) to not develop flash for macintosh with the same regularity and enthusiasm as they did for windows. jobs was a fierce competitor, and never wanted his 'baby' to be in that vulnerable position again. some argue that flash was weak on mobile because of its resource-hungry nature (don't blame mobile for being mobile, dude), but if it was open source, jobs would not have eviscerated it the way he did.
jobs killed flash because flash made the mac a second rate citizen, even after iOS had overtaken windows in most other ways. when jobs was alive, making him an enemy was a mistake.
Kevin Lynch wasn't following top-down direction on the Macromedia/Flash kool-aid trip - he was the one creating and promoting it within the company. Name one thing the guy has done that's been forward thinking or give one example of his successful vision. He was at Adobe for a 15 plus years - yet not a single project he touched was successful or visionary. As CTO at Adobe, Adobe has been stagnant and completely missed the HTML 5/AJAX revolution while they were busy licking their own butts over the Flash eco-system that never materialized. Love it or hate it doesn't matter, Flash never took over the world like Kevin dreamed it would and wasted countless dollars and man hours in doing so. I fear what his impact will be at Apple. Guaranteed he'll drive them to mediocrity. I can't believe that with all of Apple's resources and money this is the best they could do. Not a good sign for things to come. RIP Apple.