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The funny thing is.

Apple is THE WORST company for making computing products locked down, glued together, non up-gradable.

Apple started the trend and others, seeing this works have started to copy them.

You could have an old PC for years and keep changing little bits here and there as and when, but Apple want you to throw the whole unit away and buy a whole new one.

So funny they should try and make out how green they are when they are the leading company at stopping you from upgrading things to make them last longer.
:D
Have you tried to get into a Microsoft surface - It is virtually impossible to. so much glue and screws, its much harder than any Apple product I ever opened - once you Have actually opened it you cant do too much as its so tightly packed.
Also the screen bends and changes shape when warmed up to take the screen off!
Its impossible..... - The iPad is easier
Though its Microsoft :p
But I agree it needs to be easier to open
Source:
http://www.ifixit.com/Device/Microsoft_Surface_Pro_2
CNET Cracking open (i saw it while back and cant find the link for you - but they did damage the Surface badly!)
 
To everyone commenting about values you're looking up online - beware.

The reuse and recycle values given online are from PowerOn, and you have to send the device back to PowerOn and wait for an Apple Store gift card to be mailed back.

The in-store trade in is run by Brightstar and you get the gift card on the spot. There is no (customer facing) value lookup online for Brightstar - you have to go the the store.

The two companies are completely different, and the values are different as well. Don't mix up the two.

In neither case is "Apple" buying your devices back - Apple facilitates the buy back process for these two companies, and Apple does not take ownership - PowerOn or Brightstar does. The T&C's signed by the customer reflects as such.
 
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The funny thing is.

Apple is THE WORST company for making computing products locked down, glued together, non up-gradable.

Apple started the trend and others, seeing this works have started to copy them.

You could have an old PC for years and keep changing little bits here and there as and when, but Apple want you to throw the whole unit away and buy a whole new one.

What makes you think Apple wants you to throw away old devices? Only an idiot would do that. There's always a family member who will be happy using your iPhone 4 if you are replacing it, and lots of people on eBay happy to buy it. Same with a MacBook. What kind of idiot would throw away a perfectly fine two year old MacBook just because they bought a new one? It comes with software that allows you to erase it cleanly and install the newest operating system, and then you sell it and someone else will be really happy with it.

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If recycling were 100% efficient I would not mind so much but in reality most recycling programs ship products to China where coal-powered smelters inefficiently separate various components while toxic emissions poison the air for hundreds of kilometers.

It's rather stupid to blame Apple for "most recycling programs". From everything I hear, Apple's recycling program does actually recycle their products quite effectively. If you have evidence that says otherwise _for Apple_, please tell us.
 
I'd use my 1G iPad as a novel doorstop or coaster before I trade it in for the pittance they're offering.
 
You may have forgotten:

- Macs have a longer useable life and better resale value than PCs.

- iPads/iPhones have a longer usable life and better resale value than Android.

If you want to talk about planned obsolescence, just look at the lack of software updates for Android devices after they have your money!

Every iPad 1 I know of is still happily in use. Every iPad 2 is able to run THE latest version of iOS!

And their claims about green energy and materials? True, well-documented, and NOT matched by the competition you wish they'd become more like.

Very few people upgrade bits inside their PCs, and even fewer inside their phones and tablets. They simply throw them away. The fantasy of widespread internal upgrades is just that.

(I do see the appeal, and I kind of wish your vision of how people use computers were true!)

I completely agree with you, everyone says that Apple releases new updates and products to make their old hardware unusable but that is completely untrue, because of the points you just made. I still love my iPad Mini and while I like the new one I have no need and intention to buy it this or next year. My old 2008 iMac still rocks Mavericks. My father's Mac G5 still runs well and only had a HDD problem.
Apple is the only one who releases software for more than 2 year old hardware and in some cases still manages to make it better, for example, my 2008 iMac got a lot faster with Mavericks.
 
The website is not the same as instore two different recycle companies trade in values are pretty darn good
 
I better phone up all the PC component supplies you sell graphics cards, memory upgrades, new hard drives, new CPU's and tell them they are wasting their time as it's just a fantasy.

I have kept the bulk of my PC many times and just upgraded bits as I needed them, or what were expensive components have come down to a price I am willing to pay.

No point in changing anything major yet from my "Sandybridge" system as the gains are minimal.

The extra Ram, new SSD and new graphics card keep it tip top.
Something I could not do with an iMac (Laptop on a stand)

I upgraded my sandybridge imac with topped out ram, a SSD in place of the disc drive and it runs mavericks faster than when I bought it with snow leopard :rolleyes:

Coming up on 5 years and my iMac has outlasted all my old PC's, call it a "Laptop on a stand" but is a damn good laptop:apple:
 
Hear hear!
Discussing Hackintosh feels heretical but I admit, I have gone to a couple sites to spec out a hypothetical Hackintosh. Back in the "glory" days of the PM 7500 series, G3,G4 towers, heck, even the original iMac*, you could upgrade the CPU, HD, optical drive, or GPU, and laptops had replaceable batteries.

The push to non-upgradability has nothing to do with style. The recycling program pays lip service to the environment while the corporate culture pushes absurdly quick planned obsolescence.

If recycling were 100% efficient I would not mind so much but in reality most recycling programs ship products to China where coal-powered smelters inefficiently separate various components while toxic emissions poison the air for hundreds of kilometers.

In the mean time, if a Hackintosh PSU goes, you can get a new one. If the CPU goes, you can get a new one. You don't have to sacrifice the whole machine for failure of one part. They are environmentally superior to the machines Apple currently sells.


*original Bondi Blue iMacs had replaceable CPUs and a slot to add in a GPU. The 8MB VoodooII worked. You could even replace the CD drive with a DVD drive or 2nd hard drive if you wanted to.

Where's the planned obsolescence? Ex GF's 2008 iMac is still running like a top, and not going anywhere in the near future. And it's actually worth something on the resale market. I've built many a PC over the years, including around and after 2008, and I can tell you with first hand knowledge that they're all beyond being worth upgrading (and some of them are probably in landfills, BTW).

My 3 year old Macbook Air is just great as it ever was, and I will be able to use it for many years to come.

Most people (not the typical person on this forum) don't want to tear their computers open and replace parts, anymore than they want to replace the compressor on their refrigerator, or the motor on their washing machine. If the machine is still usable, and it makes sense to put the money into it, they have a technician do it. You can do the same thing with an Apple product.

There will come a day when geeks that insist on their computers being hackable and upgradeable (Yeah, I fall into this category) will be laughed at by the average person the same way we snicker at the old Heath Kit guys who soldered their own boards back in the 60s.
 
I upgraded my sandybridge imac with topped out ram, a SSD in place of the disc drive and it runs mavericks faster than when I bought it with snow leopard :rolleyes:

Coming up on 5 years and my iMac has outlasted all my old PC's, call it a "Laptop on a stand" but is a damn good laptop:apple:

That is excellent, well done.
I am all for that. :)

Shame that Apple are now doing all they can to stop an normal person having any chance of doing as you have done.

As I say, they are preaching green, but gluing, welding etc to stop people following your fine example
 
Apple is THE WORST company for making computing products locked down, glued together, non up-gradable.

They're also by far the best for longevity of tech devices (both for build quality and for keeping older hardware updated) so your argument only sounds reasonable if you ignore all other factors. I've known people who have bought multiple Android tablets and PCs in the time I've owned my iPad 2 and iMac (2008 model) so from where I'm standing, it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference.

Sure, I can't easily crack the case and upgrade components but then, I don't really need to. In fact, I was hesitant to update my iPad to iOS 7 thinking it might be the catalyst for me to buy a new iPad, but it actually runs better than before.

So, sure, you can say Apple is awful for locking down products but that's not the only factor influencing the lifetime of a gadget.
 
Only in selected countries...
About two weeks ago I asked the Apple store in Sydney if I could trade a iPhone 3 for a 5s. Sorry no trade agreements apply to Australia, I was advised.
 
Those are terrible trade in offers

HOW DARE YOU APPLE!!!! Arghhhh!!!

Okay I'm calm now :)

They aren't in it to make you a profit.

Couple of things I found out about all of this.

1. Doesn't include any of the current models of iPad or iPhone.

2. The rules that it has to turn on, and if an iPhone has to be activated on a service (even if bought unlocked) still apply

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- iPads/iPhones have a longer usable life and better resale value than Android.

That said they really need to make the next iPads repairable. Having to swap out a whole iPad over a blown speaker or dying battery just isn't 'green'. Or fun if it's OOW
 
My 2nd generation iPad 32GB WiFi in Black:
  • Functions Properly
  • Has cosmetic damage (a crack in the bezel)
  • Includes power cable, USB cable

Product Value: $0
PowerON has determined that your product has a zero-dollar fair market value.


Thanks a lot Apple, it may be worth $0 to you but it still works just fine!
 
64GB iPad 2 WiFi + 3G white, no damage, works perfectly, no engraving = £140. Yeah right, Apple, watch me...
 
Apple is environmentally among the best & reasons for minimal upgradablity

Hi All:

I see a lot of comments here about Apple's environmental practices including the extension that they are not as upgradable as PCs or as much as they once were.

First off, I am a mechanical engineer who designs many electro-mechanical consumer products. None for Apple, and I own no Apple stock: just tons of their products.

I do work for some fairly large companies, and if I even suggested something like a recycling program or to put something in the product or chose a more environmentally-friendly material that costed even one cent, they'd call me a subversive and worse.

I've worked in China and, although I've never been inside a FoxConn factory, I have been in a few FoxLink factories. The owners of these two are brothers, and they are quite similar and both supply for Apple. FoxLink factories are immaculately clean and you can easily see the bins and labels for proper disposal, intensive on-line testing, thorough IQC (incoming quality control), excellent working conditions (mostly clean rooms) and all the other manufacturing niceties that I wish all the factories I worked with had. I've personally worked in factories in the US that were much, much worse on all these levels.

This is totally necessary. I'm guessing there are at least 200 individual parts and components in an iPhone (resistors, capacitors, etc.): probably a lot more, but let's use 200 for this example. If one-in-200 parts were bad (either incoming or made at the facility), it is mathematically possible that every single iPhone would be defective. If you consider that on top of the components there are several manufacturing processes that could also cause issues (soldering, handling delicate connectors, etc.) the possibilities of defects becomes exponential. And out of the hundreds of iPhones and iPads I've known of from friends and family members, none has had a real problem that is a result of the product quality: usually a software issue if any.

And environmental concerns along with security are inherently integrated into the system. If metals and silicon and other raw materials are not pure, the electronic component will not work. As such these are tightly controlled and always kept in clean, well-marked containers and environmentally-controlled, isolated storage areas separate for good and bad.

Upgradeability: When a bunch of parts are cobbled together like a typical PC, it is very easy to upgrade. Somebody buys a mother board from this company, an ethernet card from that, slap in some RAM and plug in some hard drives and voila! You have a computer. When something is well designed into an integrated system, it is inherently more difficult.

A colleague of mine owns a high-end PC networking company in Manhattan. He had just gotten a new 15" big-brand-name laptop with an SSD. I had the late 2012 MacBook Pro Retina. He challenged me to a boot-up contest. I knew mine booted in 12 seconds, because I had timed it when I bought it (because I couldn't believe how fast it was). His took about 30 seconds. My guess is that his SSD had some type of industry standard connection interface and protocol and that my SSD is more highly integrated into the mother board. On the other hand, he could probably buy a new hard drive and install it much easier than I can: but I actually can buy one at OWC.

I would say a laptop is a great place to draw a line in the sand on this. Anything smaller like an iPad or an iPhone is simply not going to be as small as it is if they have connectors for all the batteries, RAM chips, processors and storage devices.

I usually buy the latest and greatest because I use many processor/storage intensive apps in my line of work which extends to graphic design and websites in addition to 3D molding and the like. But all my old items get handed down to relatives or sold on eBay and have significantly longer lives. Of those I've kept for one reason or another, I have two early 2000's-era G4s that I use for FTP to get files back and forth to China without any possibility of compromising my real server. I have an iPhone 4 that is unlocked that I take with me to China and and iPhone 3 that I just use for a music player or some other older apps I happen to like (admittedly the battery doesn't last too long). It can even go online with WiFi, it just can't make a call with no service connected.
 
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Beware!

Yes, they will send you a gift card. However, my gift card got compromised & someone spent over $800 of it and Apple & Poweron both said they couldn't do anything about it & I just lost $800. (And they wouldn't tell me who used it.)
 
I have a question about this program. The questions on this thing are only three (after choosing model, capacity, carrier):

1)Turned Off Find my iPhone
2)Included the USB cable
3)Included the power adapter

So, do they not care about things like water damage? My phone got wet but the screen is perfect, no issues with it, all the ports work and the phone charges and holds a regular charge. So will they give me this value after I send my iPhone in? or do they inspect it once they receive it and decide if they want to buy it back or not?

In the terms and conditions it states:

Inspection: All products are inspected upon receipt by Service Provider. Service Provider has the option to accept or deny the product. There may be instances when Service Provider recalculates the original quote for the product. If the product is as described, with all materials described, and sent to Service Provider in a timely manner (within fourteen (14) days of you receiving the shipping materials), Service Provider will honor all quotes made for your products and you will be paid within fourteen (14) days from the date of receipt at the designated Service Provider warehouse.

The choices you have are Working:

The iPhone powers on. Has functional display. No cracked glass or exposed internal components.

And not working:

The iPhone does not power on. The display does not function as intended. Has cracked glass or exposed internal components.

Other than water damage, my phone matches the 'Working' criteria, so would I be safe to assume they'll take my phone for this quote?
 
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