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It's a shame after all that effort that they forgot to put the lightning port of the end of the mouse so you can use it while its recharging!! WTF??

seems like a no brainer to me.
 
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Well, sounds like that's it then. If that's their concept of usage, they will remain incapable of producing a full featured product to compete against the Surface Pro and move devices forward out of traditional usage. Enjoy typing commands on a typewriter or fingerpainting on a toy.

Happens to everyone eventually. People, companies, entire civilizations. Innovate, grow, thrive, mature, become the new status quo, get stuck, plateau out, stagnate, & slowly, steadily be surpassed by the next up & comer entering the cycle.

Apple increasingly feels like the Little Company That Could. ...but didn't.

If people stops buying their stuff, Apple will respond, but not before. Microsoft did a 180 with their products after sales stagnated and they are now one of the companies that are considered "innovative". Apple will do the same if it feel threatened, especially with that huge pile of cash lying around.
 
Yes, OS/X is for indirect pointing and iOS is for direct pointing, but there are times when it would definitely be useful to have a direct pointing capability in OS/X and an indirect pointing capability in iOS. Just because Apple isn't aware of it doesn't mean I don't need it. I definitely don't need Apple deciding for me that it wouldn't be useful to me.
 
Much development! Such innovation! Very secret! Wow!

Yet no one thought of actually making a ergonomic magic mouse for a change. A lightning port on the bottom so you can't use it while charging? Genius! And someone even thought that making the keyboard useless by removing the usb ports is a good idea.
 
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It's taken a very long time just to get there.

I don't really think the lines are blurring all that much. iOS still lacks a ton of usability that MS addresses. The list of things the iPad can't do, or can't do easily, is extensive.

What I meant was that I am starting to be able to as productive on the MBP as I can on my Surface Pro 3, and the iPad is becoming really useful for consuming Office documents too (the question is when Apple start making universal for Windows 10). I actually see the iPad as filling the void left by Windows RT, where you can have access to the 20% of functionality from Office that the 80% need.

The future is one where people choose the endpoint that suits their needs, rather than the content dictating what they use.

That said, I'm still not getting my kids an iPhone until they sort out parental controls - it's crazy that a four digit PIN is no longer deemed strong by Apple for access to your phone, but is just fine for setting restrictions on it?

I also think that Apple need to look at universal apps for OSX and iOS, its crazy that I have to pay twice for the same app.
 
Exactly my thought. They spend ages figuring out how the mouse sounds on the table, but none of them noticed it is painful to hold and use?

All I can think is it must suit some people - surely they test it, and I assume a lot of people working at Apple, as well as elsewhere, use it as their everyday input device. Perhaps there are different ways of holding mice, and it just doesn't suite ours?
 
"The job of the iPad should be to be so powerful and capable that you never need a notebook. Like, Why do I need a notebook? I can add a keyboard! I can do all these things!"
Seems like there's a false assumption in there. The iPad in no way is so capable that you don't need a notebook. That's a fantasy world. I guarantee none of the engineers or accountants or anyone doing serious work at Apple HQ uses an iPad as their primary device. Maybe managers and execs who are mostly reading reports and responding to email and scheduling meetings. Hopefully that's just Phil Schiller using every opportunity to promote Apple products -- and not that people at Apple really actually believe the iPad in it's current state replaces a notebook. Even serious Apple fanboys like me don't believe that.

Well, he did say "should be" so it gives him a little wiggle room. :D I get where he's going with that statement though. While the iPad doesn't replace a laptop for everyone today, it will eventually.

With the release of iPad Pro, keyboard cover, Pencil and iOS 9, it's already more capable than laptops in some ways and it will continue to evolve until it does everything a laptop can do and more.

The laptop didn't displace the desktop as people's primary computer overnight. That transition took many years and this one still has a few more years to go yet.
 
With the release of iPad Pro, keyboard cover, Pencil and iOS 9, it's already more capable than laptops in some ways and it will continue to evolve until it does everything a laptop can do and more.

Without PRO Apps it's nothing more than a larger iPad.

Saying that, Apps will never replace real software. Unless Apple are going to package the Pro with FinalCut Pro, Logic Pro, AutoCAD, Photoshop CC etc... You know, professional software.
 
These dudes say one thing but then make the opposite: the iPad should replace your notebook... but then they avoid a filesystem, so it will never replace your notebook.

Then they say the iMac should not be thinner and lighter, but being able of doing things desktops never did. But they release today new iMacs with Intel graphics, with notebook CPUs, just the thin and light show.

They think one thing, then do the opposite. And in the meantime, the MacPro has no updates for more than a year...

The file system for the iPad is iCloud.
 
All I can think is it must suit some people - surely they test it, and I assume a lot of people working at Apple, as well as elsewhere, use it as their everyday input device. Perhaps there are different ways of holding mice, and it just doesn't suite ours?
A fair guess. Could be true. I know that I rest both fingers on the top of the mouse, which messes up the "touch sensitive" click (Magic Mouse only had one button underneath it all). But how anyone can stand the hard edges everywhere, I don't know — I find they cut into my hand.

With the people I know, only one finds it usable. No one else I know uses it for one reason or another. I see I'm not alone on this thread.

I personally have tried to like it several times, but every time I use one in the Apple Store I can't stand it.
 
The file system for the iPad is iCloud.

It's interesting, I was going to say no it's not, but then I realise why I stay with iOS; because I have access to all my music and photos on any device and it scales with me. That is possible because of the Cloud ecosystem built behind it. That is the strength of Apple's ecosystem, that and the ability to communicate with others (i.e. OneDrive, DropBox, Google etc).

The real strength of the Mac ecosystem is the people using it in Google, Citrix etc because they believe that they are being hipsters and cool; the irony is, however, that Apple is becoming Microsoft in the antitrust stakes. Microsoft, however, has now woken up and is making good work devices and providing services everywhere.
 
The new keyboard and mouse are not bluetooth 4 ?! I expect a year between charges for both of these devices and a more fluid responsiveness. I would have also expected them to charge using the new usb standard that is supposed to upgrade thunderbolt. I also would like these accessories in black and ideally have a touch id sensor on the keyboard to log me into my mac and for online purchases. Once those things are added to magic 3 5 years from now I will upgrade. Swapping out eneloops once a month isn't really that bad.
 
I am super surprised this reveal of a new keyboard and mouse and almost nothing has changed, I'd even suffice to say the Keyboard looks slightly less impressive.

What kind of blunderiffic madness is the charging port on the bottom of the mouse? lol.
 
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Good on Apple for peeling back the curtains a little bit on their underground society. Obviously they chose to do this with their least important product line. I mean, an iMac and its accessories are hardly juicy to see the design process behind. But still, it's interesting to catch a glimpse into how they design anything, big or small.
 
Ah, marketing drivel. It's all about the "post-PC" era, until Apple releases new iMac's, and then they change their tune and claim they are pushing desktop technology to the max. But the iMac's are still using laptop parts, so how are they pushing desktop technology, by making them the ultimate laptop with zero mobility?

Apple is really working hard these days at trying to spin the fact they are doing nothing but incremental updates on all their products and trying to make it seem like they are reinventing the product every chance they get, but at the end of the day the "new" iMac is updated laptop equipment with a higher resolution screen and a video mode that simply scales content to look like a lower resolution screen. Meh. this is probably the last iMac for a while now.
 
this is pure fantasy...

No it is not. OSX has not run well on a mechanical hard drive for years. Windows 8.1 and 10 runs relatively well.

You notice it especially in boot time and app launch time. Its obvious Apple stopped giving a toss about how OSX performs on a mechanical hard-drive, despite penny pinching and including 5400RPM HDDs in numerous Macs sold brand new.
 
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No it is not. OSX has not run well on a mechanical hard drive for years. Windows 8.1 and 10 runs relatively well.

You notice it especially in boot time and app launch time. Its obvious Apple stopped giving a toss about how OSX performs on a mechanical hard-drive, despite penny pinching and including 5400RPM HDDs in numerous Macs sold brand new.
again, pure fantasy ....
I'm using Windows on a spinning drive on a daily base, and it's as bad as OS X on a similar drive....
 
again, pure fantasy ....
I'm using Windows on a spinning drive on a daily base, and it's as bad as OS X on a similar drive....

Oh please, OSX is a shocker on mechanical hard drives. Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 are all much better than OSX, which gets slow literally a month into a clean install.

Windows 10 runs better on a 2008 Macbook White than Lion (the last supported version of OSX on that machine) which I find absolutely hilarious. Lion is a 2011 operating system and it should perform better than Windows 10.

But I guess Apple is perfect in every way.
 
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Apple will do the same if it feel threatened, especially with that huge pile of cash lying around.
Perhaps, because they did roll out the iPad Pro in an attempt to reignite iPad sales which have been stagnating.

Will the average consumer really understand or care about iGPUs and 5400 rpm drives, or insufficient flash storage on the Fusion drive? No, but they will get frustrated when the computer feels slow.

So far the reviews I've been reading have been fairly positive on the iMac, though mentioning the lack of dGPU and the odd reason to use a 5400 RPM drive in 2015 but overall I've not seen a harsh review.
 
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Oh please, OSX is a shocker on mechanical hard drives. Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 are all much better than OSX, which gets slow literally a month into a clean install.

Windows 10 runs better on a 2008 Macbook White than Lion (the last supported version of OSX on that machine) which I find absolutely hilarious. Lion is a 2011 operating system and it should perform better than Windows 10.

But I guess Apple is perfect in every way.
OS X gets slow over the time ? Lol ...
You are speaking about Windows, aren't you ?
 
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