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When I meant wither away I'm comparing it to the iPods and apple watches. There will always be a market for those two items just like iPad will always have a market. Laptops have gotten a lot thinner and lighter since 2010. Smartphones likewise has bigger screen sizes since 2010. Both of these categories are squeezing the tablet market to the point it becomes a niche product.

I will agree though that the tablet niche market will be greater than the iPod and smart watch markets combined. It also doesn't help that there are many cheaper android tablets eating away at Apple's iPad. The entire tablet market is fighting for three types of people: casual, kids, and the retired. The tablet is not needed in today's marketplace it is a luxury (one that I really appreciate).

Ah... thanks for clarifying!
Yes- it's definitely a luxury, not a necessity in my mind. Whereas, I'd consider a smartphone more in the "necessity" category.
I think wearables are MUCH more of a luxury item at this point though, because an iPad duplicates the functions of a smartphone, just a bit better, more comfortably, easier, & larger... whereas a smart watch duplicates the functions of a smartphone, just a bit worse, less comfortably, more difficult, & smaller!

I think most everyone can "use" (& YES, I use this term lightly) an iPad... as their "casual at home internetting device", but there's really almost NO impetus to replace one unless the previous one falls apart. (thus declining sales)
 
I think we are not seeing the complete picture.
It is not just about hardware.
Apple is working on something else too.

It might be iOS pro or arm Mac OS or something like that. To make the pro' s real pro' s .
These pro models are the first step into hybrid iPad/MacBooks and possibly arm based MacBooks .

They could introduce iOS pro, with more multitasking/multi windows features, a simple filemanager, finder, multi account possibility' s and a gui that looks like MacOS when keyboard/trackpad is attached by the smart connector.

We are not seeing this right now, but perhaps after 2016 WWDC, we' ll know more.
 
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The names should be easily recognisable and make sense. If the new iPad Air becomes a "Pro", this will just create more confusion, like in: "They use iPad Pros" > "What, those big ones?" > "Nah, normal sized!", etc. ;)
 
Apple essentially has three layers for each product right now. But I think all the naming conventions can confuse people. Mini, air, pro, plus, etc. If they can come up with one naming convention all the products use, as an adjective to describe each type of size, that would go a long way to help the brand. Just think of the commercials they could do by mixing and matching the types. One guy is an iPhone Plus guy, but loves his MacBook Air, but couldn't live without his iPad Pro. Again, I'm using the names they use, but if they could make those names cross all the products lines, it could be much simpler. I mean, they don't have to be as mindless as SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, but I'm sure they can come up with something.

Mac mini -> iMac -> Mac Pro
MacBook Air -> MacBook -> MacBook Pro
iPad mini -> iPad -> iPad Pro
iPhone 5se -> iPhone 6 -> iPhone 6 Plus
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Thats a serious first world problem

Right? It's so hard being an American!
 
Well iPP doesn't have speaker vibration and the back stays cool to the touch. Bringing that to the 9.7" model is great.
I have an iPad Air 2 and I rarely notice either of these issues. It seems cool to the touch, but I have a case on mine, so apparently I am missing something. I know a few very vocal people hated the speaker vibrations, so that will be welcome to those that sat out the Air 2 because of it, but I would bet that people that have had the iPad Air 2 wouldn't care much about it. Personally, I mainly use Airplay or headphones, but when I watch a Youtube video, I don't even notice the vibrations anymore... I am apparently used to them, but I never considered it much of an issue to begin with.

The thing that might get me to upgrade is the Pencil. I am not a full time artist, but if it can replace my Wacom Intuos tablet that I use with Photoshop/Lightroom, I would consider it (will require more research on my end). I am still on the fence, but I do think the Pencil is a nice addition.

As some have mentioned, the Air2 already has more than enough horsepower for everything I do on the iPad, so the only way to get me to upgrade really is just by giving me new features. I think the Pencil is a nice start. If iOS could run Lightroom/Photoshop CC, I would be in without hesitation, but without those programs, it is still limited for what I would want to use it for.
 
I agree with who's saying that "Air" suffix is now redundant on Apple products line. Everybody knows that Apple products are as thin as possible, and beyond.
I agree that too many options are complicating someone's choice.
I also think that 100 dollars for cellular option are too much even for Apple's standards and iPad Pro with cellular option only at maximum storage is a rip-off.
The next iPad revision will mark Apple's type of customers as a target. A high priced machine too-much powered and redundant for content consumption only won't stop sales' progressive decline. Cheaper Android tablets are simply enough for this at a lower price range. And attaching a Pro moniker with no real new software features (largely discussed around here) and closed to external word on the hardware side won't be enough to justify high prices range.
Will Apple prefer to maintain global tablets' profits with more sales or just maintain higher profit margin on each tablet an sell less pieces? We all know that first option is not realistic, well I do think that the second one is no longer viable these days. Competition's products with all their defects are now simply enough for most tasks needed

Yes, for current use, the pro' s are too much. For regular tablet use the air2 and the mini are good enough.
But Apple will reduce the price of these iPads , so they will still do alright in that space.
The pro' s are here to stimulate development of more complex apps that are on par with desktop/laptop counterparts. It is a new generation of iPads that are build for more than just Netflix , to replace laptops with a specific audience.
 
they should just keep the air because people normally don't do serious work on the ipad. It's just costing customers more. I hope we don't buy into this marketing.
 
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God, I hope they just keep a simple naming convention. Here's what I propose...

1. iPad Mini becomes iPad Air (Thinnest, lightest, smallest model)
2. iPad Air becomes iPad Pro (Similar to the Macbook Pro, made to please both the consumer and the professional alike)
3. iPad Pro becomes iPad Pro+ (Just as with the iPhone 6S/6S+, a larger and maybe slightly higher specced version of the same hardware)

Or better yet, just stick with what works and keep the same names. And for the love of god, I hope they pick something other than 5SE. That just doesn't roll off the tongue. iPhone 6S Mini would be a wonderful name for it.
 
I see a very remotest possibility of Apple coming out with the pencil support for the iPad Air-3 so I don't know why the hell is this uproar I don't think iPad Air-3 will have pencil support, nope not happening.
 
if they release an ipad pro 9.7 inch device with pencil support im sold. i would buy two actually. The pencil is pretty awesome. HOwever the 13 inch ipad pro is way to big. the 9.7 inch is perfect for notes and sketches.
 
I think we are not seeing the complete picture.
It is not just about hardware.
Apple is working on something else too.

It might be iOS pro or arm Mac OS or something like that. To make the pro' s real pro' s .
These pro models are the first step into hybrid iPad/MacBooks and possibly arm based MacBooks .

They could introduce iOS pro, with more multitasking/multi windows features, a simple filemanager, finder, multi account possibility' s and a gui that looks like MacOS when keyboard/trackpad is attached by the smart connector.

We are not seeing this right now, but perhaps after 2016 WWDC, we' ll know more.

While I wish you were right, Apple isn't going to spring some new hybrid OS out of nowhere with now developer betas. There have been zero rumors of such and would not make any sense right now. The earliest that would happen is WWDC in June.
 
DING DING DING , we have a winner. People on here need to shut up about the price, it's not gonna go up in price one cent since people will be buying pencils left and right.
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The Air 2 will be like the iPad 2. It's gonna be around for a LONG time. They'll discount it to 399 and it'll be an amazing value. Much more so than any iPad price reduction in 6 years

I have a feeling they will launch the 9.7" Pro at a Pro price (+$150-200) and keep the Air 2 the same. Next year, they will (maybe) upgrade the pro, and decrease the price of the Air 2 by $100. If they don't do what I mentioned here, then they'll go your route.
 
While I wish you were right, Apple isn't going to spring some new hybrid OS out of nowhere with now developer betas. There have been zero rumors of such and would not make any sense right now. The earliest that would happen is WWDC in June.
That' s what I said. After the WWDC we' ll know more.
 
I'm a simple soul, how about iPad Mini > iPad > iPad Pro? Within each model, have version numbers internally to identify; don't keep changing the product name.
 
What's abnormal?

Ram increase? iPad Air 2 had that with no price increase. iPhone 6s/6s+ had that with no increase

Faster CPU? They always have a faster CPU

Smart connector? It's a tiny thing that allows them to sell $130 keyboard covers. No need to increase the price

Pencil support? Might cost them something to change the screen type but again - it's there to upsell you a $100 pencil.

There is nothing fundamentally abnormal in the spec jump. If a lot of people buy the keyboard and pencil, Apple will make a killing on accessory profit.

It is an abnormal upgrade. Instead of looking at isolated events to support your argument, look at the pattern. If the iPad Pro had not come along last year, the only upgrades anyone would have expected for an iPad Air 3, based on the pattern set by previous 9.7" iPads, is the processor, maybe thinner/lighter, and one "special" new feature (in the past it's been touch ID, a retina screen, a camera upgrade, or a big jump in thinness). RAM increases come every 2+ generations. Since it was just increased last generation, it would not have been expected this time around. But not only is it getting the normal processor upgrade AND the premature RAM upgrade--instead of one special new feature, this iPad may be getting three: the smart connector (small as it may be), pencil support, and I presume 4 speakers (this article doesn't specifically mention the speaker upgrade but past articles have).
Whether or not you want these three features, or want to buy the extra peripherals that unlock the features, is another--albeit valid--issue. I see the Pencil being a particularly exclusive peripheral, for creative types and hand-writers. So ideally, there would be different models of iPads: ones that have Pencil support built in, and cheaper ones that do not. But seeing as that is an unlikely Apple move, the tech will almost certainly be included (if the rumor is true). And Apple will not likely eat the cost.

If Apple maintained the same price, it would be a shock. Not saying it's impossible, just seems very unreasonable to hope for and especially to demand it, as some are.

Hmmmm...
I have an idea! =)
MAYBE it has to do with the fact that nine generations of iPhone have stayed at $650 as an entry price & six generations or iPad have stayed at $499 as an entry price.
Sooooooo...... (& please stop me if this isn't a "SOMEWHAT reasonable expectation"), now we want this gen to stick to the established pricing.
Duh.
This is a VERY simple concept.
I for one, am NOT overly concerned about a price spike.... Apple has proven themselves masters at multiple price point sales & their "sweet spot" is at the entry level.... they sell more entry level iPhones and iPads than any other configuration by a country mile. They have trained the populace as Android tablet prices have bounced all over the place- to expect the iPad to stay at $499.
To briefly explain away your "yeah, but how can it be such a nice upgrade & stay at the same price??" The answer is twofold:
1)for the 1st time... the flagship iPad was NOT upgraded by the year mark, but one and a half instead; so this has to be a 1.5x upgrade accordingly!
2)with iPad sales on a steady decline- they need a REAL big win. These specs w/ the same price as ever delivers that in spades... simply put, it puts iPad back on the map!
My only worry (as a 64gb guy) is that they will mimic iPad Pro in a 32gb & 128gb version with a "more than $100" jump between. I have always paid $599 for my iPads for the 2nd tier memory configuration.... right as I was "outgrowing" 32gb & balking @ paying top tier pricing, they spec bumped the mid tier! I can't go back to 32gb, so if they mimic Big Pro's dual, rather than triple configs... I'll be in a tight spot.
Other than that, we're good!
NICE upgrade... definitely still starting at $499; I'm excited & happy!!!

True, the precedent is that the entry price always stays the same. So it comes down to a choice for Apple: either keep that precedent and substantially lower their profit margin (because of the substantial hardware upgrade) while creating a NEW precedent of larger upgrades WITHOUT price increase (people will come to expect it), or bump up the prices. In my view, Apple would go for the latter and of course position it as part of the Pro line instead of a continuation of the Air, as is rumored.
Another thing to consider is that prices generally go up over time due to inflation. I'm no economist, but a 6 year run doesn't seem bad. And perhaps this is Apple's way to soften the blow of the inevitable price hike, by throwing in a big upgrade, along with the name change.

Your two points are valid. The first one I didn't consider, and could very well contribute to the price staying the same. The second one I did consider, but honestly I have no idea. It's possible they're desperate enough for that. But as someone on the outside, I have no idea what they're strategy is. Again, possible but no idea.
 
I'll wait for the iPad Pro Plus S
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Sounds like Apple is playing a Marketting game here. Nothing else. They could easily have called it anything. "The new iPad". "Ipad Air 3". "MaxIpad"

but by naming it the "pro", is an attempt to convince potential buyers that the iPad is not just a "toy" or a media consumption device.

A lot of public opinion is that the iPad is mainly just a consumer consumption device. Tacking on the "Pro" name, is just branding. Calling something "Pro" invokes a reaction that there's more too it. Want an example? Look at any of the threads here about the iPad pro or the "mac pro". This branding implies a certain level of capability.

We all had reasonable expectations that the newest iPad revision would be bringing features from the pro down to the iPad line. So re badging it to a "pro" isn't anything more than Marketing.
 
Why does the iPad Mini brand still need to stick around? Why not just two product lines to simplify?

iPad (7.9" and 9.7")
iPad Pro (9.7" and 12.9")

iPad Pro line has increased memory, faster CPU, smart connector, Apple Pencil support and improved speakers.
 
iPad Pro line has increased memory, faster CPU, smart connector, Apple Pencil support and improved speakers.

And an operating system optimized for the iPhone ... see anything wrong with that " Pro line " picture?
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So re badging it to a "pro" isn't anything more than Marketing.

And with the current exchange rate, Canadians are going to pay dearly for that added connotation.
 
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