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Add iPhone + iPod Touch sales and I think it becomes pretty clear why the iPad 3G+WiFi and the iPad WiFi are doing so well. Both have cheaper versions of the 3G-enabled products, with the difference being that the iPad Wi-Fi doesn't actually have anything removed/downgraded to reduce the price (besides the 3G chip of course).

Point being, there's a massive market for iDevices beyond what we see with the iPhone.
 
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No sir, I didn't say they're buying as many. I said we cannot tell from those stats.
Yes, you are right, I was overstating what you said in the current thread, but in this previous thread, were you not defending the article that suggested that Android had a 31% share of the tablet market share? Can you even remotely reconcile those numbers with the stats from any published study of web usage?
 
I think we all know it is going to be Android tablets as a whole versus the iPad...as sad as that sounds.

I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and it's a really beautiful device. Suits my needs well and is really up there compared with the iPad, even though some of you won't agree! :p

Sure suits your needs, like Windows "suited' mine since 1996, when Apple really blew it, but thank God they are back and I am happy for that since 2005.
The thing is Android is free and can be in a lot of products in different range of prices. When you get accustomed to a computing enviroment then it "suits" your needs.
But when you compare the whole experience and feeling next to one another then you realize the difference.
I am still using Windows if needed and other phones besides my iPhone, but they are not better in any case just convenient and sufficient for the job at hand, of course that is what most people need and maybe Android will win the war, but let's not forget who is the game "changer" here!
The android phones that I played around with did not convinced me yet.
Tablets I have not tried any yet and I would like to get my hands on a WebOS device which I find more promising than Android but still at work.
 
On another note, I must emphasize it really is terrible planning from the Apple sales executives to not fully take advantage of their renowned success and contract other manufacturers in order to increase their production and therefore their revenue. It's ridiculous that in order to get my iPad 2 (a couple of months ago!), stores still didn't have enough stock and the online order expected 1-2 weeks delivery time. They are losing a significant amount of money this way, I guess not even themselves planned for the success their device has attracted, but still it seems to me they are not fully aware of the margin they have which is being wasted..
I sort of agree with you. What you talk about is a risk. Higher number of iPads in the sales channels (ie store shelves and online) to buy is more potential sales. But if they didn't sell that's dead or slow moving stock.

Apple as we all know are always conservative with their estimates. Best give low company predictions and exceed them always. And in our example best ship slightly less product and have it all sell then risk the higher number and not have it all sell.

Sure it takes people a 1-2 more for people to get their iPad. Not too big a deal. But for Apple (mostly Tim Cook) making all the stock in their sales channels is sold is very important.

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Not a Xoom but this is why Apple is beating all the other tablets.
Worst gadget ever? Ars reviews a $99 Android tablet

from the review:
anyone looking to buy one would get more bang for the buck by setting it on fire for warmth.

does say that it has a standby time of 2-3 hours

Yes, there were times when we got less than an hour from a full charge.

Verdict: Run screaming in the other direction
 
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But the Xoom can do Flash!!! LOL!!

Yup! That's why I bought a XOOM. It can do Flash and costs $200 less.

I own an original iPod Video 5G, iPhone 3GS, and appleTV2. No flash, high price, and NON-HD display were iPad deal killers for me.

You entire post is a fail.
The same iPad 2 compared to the base Xoom is $100 more. Not $200. That is the wifi, 32GB version. But there is less of difference when comparing the 3G version.
The screen resultions arent that much different and the Xoom isnt HD also.
Xoom has flash but having flash is a nonissue and is a nice to have feature but no a game changer or a killer feature.

The fact is the xoom is a good tablet, and has potential but hasn't reached it yet.
 
Used the Xoom and iPad side by side for several days. The Xoom HW specs are impressive but many Android apps don't know how to handle the wide aspect screen. The most useful apps are either crappy or missing in action. That along with the lack of a comprehensive sync scenario makes it un-tempting as an iPad alternative.
 
Used the Xoom and iPad side by side for several days. The Xoom HW specs are impressive but many Android apps don't know how to handle the wide aspect screen. The most useful apps are either crappy or missing in action. That along with the lack of a comprehensive sync scenario makes it un-tempting as an iPad alternative.

These also-rans are releasing beta-ware instead of a complete, stable product. And they keep doing it.
 
Worthless links.

We've proven many times around here that web browsing statistics bear little or no relationship to actual sales of any item.

For example: using such numbers, we would conclude that there are as many iPads out there as all the iPhones and iPod touches combined.

The reality is far, far different. While iPads account for 50% of all iOS browsing, they are only 1/8 of all iOS sales.
But once you compare for the same type of device only (ie, tablets), things get more accurate. That web browsing statistic estimated 325 000 sold Xooms, now Motorola reports 440 000 shipped Xooms and we know well that the Xooms are not in short supply in the channel, ie, the sold number is somewhat lower than the shipped number. Seen like this the usage-derived number was a reasonable estimate.

Wrong.It has nothing to do with the timing of next iPad release.
Why do you counter the obvious impossibility of knowing for sure whether an iPad 3 will come out this year or not with another obvious impossibility of knowing for sure that sales of the iPad, in particular in comparison with its competitors, will not affect Apple's product planning?
 
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The fact is the xoom is a good tablet, and has potential but hasn't reached it yet.
Hmm would you buy a tablet that is potentially good at some random time in the future or would you rather buy a tablet that is very good right now?

Potential is good but useless if you do nothing with it.
 
What rubbish. Tell that to my kids and to the ipad 1 that is sitting in the drawer not being used. It doesn't do flash and that ruled out a lot of the sites and games the kids wanted to use. We now have an Asus transformer which works great for them.

You may not want flash and that's fine but others do.

It doesn't seem to be killer feature. ;)

Flash is no longer a factor. A flash-less iPad is setting the standard and dominating, while a Flash-less iPhone on its own carries 28% share, while a Flash-less iOS the dominant mobile OS.

It's almost as if Flash was always a non-factor. In fact, it always *was* a non-factor.
 
It doesn't seem to be killer feature. ;)

Flash is no longer a factor. A flash-less iPad is setting the standard and dominating, while a Flash-less iPhone on its own carries 28% share, while a Flash-less iOS the dominant mobile OS.

It's almost as if Flash was always a non-factor. In fact, it always *was* a non-factor.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, I can't. Although I grieve not for Flash, I do find the lack of it on my MBA to be a pain in not being able to view YouTube videos. For that, I have to resort to my MacPro.

I long for the day when Flash truly is dead.
 
As much as I'd like to agree with you, I can't. Although I grieve not for Flash, I do find the lack of it on my MBA to be a pain in not being able to view YouTube videos. For that, I have to resort to my MacPro.

I long for the day when Flash truly is dead.

No Flash on an MBA?
 
What rubbish. Tell that to my kids and to the ipad 1 that is sitting in the drawer not being used. It doesn't do flash and that ruled out a lot of the sites and games the kids wanted to use. We now have an Asus transformer which works great for them.

You may not want flash and that's fine but others do.

Show them the App store, lots & lots of excellent games there.
 
Apple Evolution

When you look at the form factor of iPhones, they went from a very ground-breaking original form, to a substantially improved form, to a highly evolved form in the iPhone 4.

If the iPhone 5 turns out to have more of the form factor of the iPod Touch/iPad 2 design attributes (call it Edge-Tuck), I would be disappointed in the shape. Every time I pick up an iPod Touch, it seems to be substantially "lesser" in its physical seriousness, which, of course, it is. But in an iPod, I don't expect everything I get from an iPhone.

Trimming weight off the iPhone is one of those things that's nice, but not a main-stream concern. How many times have you ever picked up a device this light and complained that it was simply too &#%@ heavy? What would you really, really rather have?: An ounce less weight, or three hours' more battery life?

To counter an iPhone 5's Edge-Tuck design, it would have to contain a substantially superior, higher-definition, lower-light, wider-dynamic range camera, with the missing features of exposure lock before rolling video or before shooting a still, macro focus under 4 inches (100mm), on-board stereo audio capture and 1080p30. Minimum. If it were lighter, it would have to counter that with equal battery performance over the life of the unit. Smaller, lighter batteries tend to wuss out at the x-hundredth recharge more readily, and that would be a no-no.
 
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You entire post is a fail.
The same iPad 2 compared to the base Xoom is $100 more. Not $200. That is the wifi, 32GB version. But there is less of difference when comparing the 3G version.
The screen resultions arent that much different and the Xoom isnt HD also.
Xoom has flash but having flash is a nonissue and is a nice to have feature but no a game changer or a killer feature.

The fact is the xoom is a good tablet, and has potential but hasn't reached it yet.

No, he's correct on pricing. Xoom can now be found heavily discounted in bargin bins.

What rubbish. Tell that to my kids and to the ipad 1 that is sitting in the drawer not being used. It doesn't do flash and that ruled out a lot of the sites and games the kids wanted to use. We now have an Asus transformer which works great for them.

You may not want flash and that's fine but others do.

Most of us (well me at least) didn't spend money on a tablet just to play flash games. Nor am I too cheap to spend a dollar or so on an iOS game. One that uses the full screen and doesn't require an intenet connection.
 
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On another note, I must emphasize it really is terrible planning from the Apple sales executives to not fully take advantage of their renowned success and contract other manufacturers in order to increase their production and therefore their revenue.

Didn't the tsunami have a part in the lack of iPads?

Yes, you are right, I was overstating what you said in the current thread, but in this previous thread, were you not defending the article that suggested that Android had a 31% share of the tablet market share?

If you mean this post, once again I was simply pointing out that we didn't have enough information to form a solid opinion.

I've been posting online for forty years. I'm not into religious device battles, as every fad comes and goes.

What I and others here do try to promote, is the concept of examining sources and doing further research before jumping on bandwagons or believing everything we read, right away.

For instance, I always go back and find the original source of anything I read in so-called tech news sites. It's ridiculous how much many stories get modified as they pass through the internet echo chamber.

This is why many of us with years of industry experience hang out here. We can right away say, hey no, that patent doesn't mean that. Or that statistic is misleading. Once informed, then people can go ahead and argue using a better basis.

Can you even remotely reconcile those numbers with the stats from any published study of web usage?

My daughter uses Android tablets all the time for games and watching videos, but never surfs the web.

Come to think of it, all the women that I've given iPads to, don't use the web browser either! They use Facebook, Flipboard and other RSS readers, email, and such... but almost never surf the web like men tend to do.

Show them the App store, lots & lots of excellent games there.

Apps cannot compare to the rich interactive kid's worlds available online that use Flash. From Poptropica to Wizard101 to Moshi Monsters to ZwinkyCuties to whatever.
 
come on even among the Android groups the Xoom is considered pretty bad and full of empty promises. The Galaxy 10.1 is what they tell everyone to get.
 
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