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Are people supposed to pay for emergency services when the SOS rescue team later? Apple hasn't outlined this
In the US. yes. Expect a bill of $20,000, or more. Unless you have insurance for such a rescue. My wife had an air (helicopter) ambulance transport which cost $44,000 (fortunately covered by insurance).

btw, I prefer to insure for things like this, not AppleCare on my watch
 
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I was waiting for the first story like this to come out after Apple rolled out the feature.

Seems like every year I read a story in the news about someone who was stranded in the snow, or while hiking, or found dead in a remote location and had no way to reach out for help. Here's a really sad one from many years back that still sticks in my mind.


If only they had a way to reach out for help and send their location.

There is no doubt in my mind that this feature will save lives, and sounds like it already may have done so.
 
Are people supposed to pay for emergency services when the SOS rescue team later? Apple hasn't outlined this
Depends who shows up. Apple SOS contacts emergency services. They will coordinate a rescue which can include private companies, government agencies, or volunteers. Private will be your most expensive option.
In California, if CHP/Sheriff helicopter rescues you up it’s generally free. If a private medical helicopter picks you up it’s $20-40k lol.
 
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Are people supposed to pay for emergency services when the SOS rescue team later? Apple hasn't outlined this

I think in the US, it can be expected that the individual will be paying for the emergency services. What Apple is paying for is the connectivity from phone to satellite to emergency services. They are not paying for the activation of emergency services To the individual. That’s how I read it.
 
Anyone else think this feature should be free? For one thing, it's something that people are going to use very rarely. Another thing is, imagine if someone dies because they didn't pay for this and couldn't signal for help?

This uses almost no satellite bandwidth and isn't necessary anywhere that has cellular traffic. Make it free, and fund it publically. The cost will probably be insignificant.
 
It's great news this feature actually worked well. I think the reason Apple might have said the first two years would be free is that they are waiting for the satellite network to improve. Perhaps basic functionality will remain free, but you can pay for enhanced services like sending text messages or making calls directly to friends/family via satellite. Pure speculation on my part.
 
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Emergency Satellite via SOS is available to all iPhone 14 users...

Satellite connectivity is available in North America at the current time, and it will soon expand to France, Germany, Ireland, and the UK.

Both of these things can't be true.
 
"Stranded". He should have prepared going out there. Not Rely on the Phone. If the environment is Hostile he should have the gear needed to Survive. Make a Fire, shelter, have food ect.. Think People living there going out everyday Don't prepare for events? Bah.
Maybe he could have done all those, maybe he did have all those things, but he had a phone that could effect a rescue and get him home faster so he wouldn't have to spend a cold night out there or walk/snowshoe 20mi to the next point of civilization. And you're grumbling about that why, exactly?

If you were in that situation and got to go home to a warm, dry bed or spend a night freezing your whatever off, wouldn't you choose trying the phone and getting a ride from the people paid by your tax dollars and your purchase dollars to do exactly that (and some volunteers who do it because that's how rural communities function, too)?

I spent many years as a firefighter, paramedic, high angle rescue tech on departments that actually ran these calls in urban and remote, rural mountainous areas in the Rockies in CO (and live in Telluride now), so believe me, people who aren't prepared exist and I have no real love for those who do it wantonly or with extreme ignorance or arrogance, but really, if you have the option to use a communication tool to prevent needing to really rough it, you should, and, honestly, you've made rescuers' job easier because if you can walk out on your own power and we just gotta take you to your home/car/whatever it's a LOT easier for everyone than once you're starved, managed to step into a wet stream though some ice, or whatever because you were too damn proud to use the tech you had in your pocket.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't be prepared or use satcom as a false sense of security or excuse for being prepared, but if you're fully prepared to spend the night but can easily avoid it with some smart use of tech and that means you aren't getting rescued in the middle of the night when you've run out of emergency fire and shelter or whatever, geez, that is GREAT.
 
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Maybe he could have done all those, maybe he did have all those things, but he had a phone that could effect a rescue and get him home faster so he wouldn't have to spend a cold night out there or walk/snowshoe 20mi to the next point of civilization. And you're grumbling about that why, exactly?

If you were in that situation and got to go home to a warm, dry bed or spend a night freezing your whatever off, wouldn't you choose trying the phone and getting a ride from the people paid by your tax dollars and your purchase dollars to do exactly that (and some volunteers who do it because that's how rural communities function, too)?

I spent many years as a firefighter, paramedic, high angle rescue tech on departments that actually ran these calls in urban and remote, rural mountainous areas in the Rockies in CO (and live in Telluride now), so believe me, people who aren't prepared exist and I have no real love for those who do it wantonly or with extreme ignorance or arrogance, but really, if you have the option to use a communication tool to prevent needing to really rough it, you should, and, honestly, you've made rescuers' job easier because if you can walk out on your own power and we just gotta take you to your home/car/whatever it's a LOT easier for everyone than once you're starved, managed to step into a wet stream though some ice, or whatever because you were too damn proud to use the tech you had in your pocket.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't be prepared or use satcom as a false sense of security or excuse for being prepared, but if you're fully prepared to spend the night but can easily avoid it with some smart use of tech and that means you aren't getting rescued in the middle of the night when you've run out of emergency fire and shelter or whatever, geez, that is GREAT.
Solid response. I spent a number of years in the Montrose area.
 
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Maybe he could have done all those, maybe he did have all those things, but he had a phone that could effect a rescue and get him home faster so he wouldn't have to spend a cold night out there or walk/snowshoe 20mi to the next point of civilization. And you're grumbling about that why, exactly?

If you were in that situation and got to go home to a warm, dry bed or spend a night freezing your whatever off, wouldn't you choose trying the phone and getting a ride from the people paid by your tax dollars and your purchase dollars to do exactly that (and some volunteers who do it because that's how rural communities function, too)?

I spent many years as a firefighter, paramedic, high angle rescue tech on departments that actually ran these calls in urban and remote, rural mountainous areas in the Rockies in CO (and live in Telluride now), so believe me, people who aren't prepared exist and I have no real love for those who do it wantonly or with extreme ignorance or arrogance, but really, if you have the option to use a communication tool to prevent needing to really rough it, you should, and, honestly, you've made rescuers' job easier because if you can walk out on your own power and we just gotta take you to your home/car/whatever it's a LOT easier for everyone than once you're starved, managed to step into a wet stream though some ice, or whatever because you were too damn proud to use the tech you had in your pocket.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't be prepared or use satcom as a false sense of security or excuse for being prepared, but if you're fully prepared to spend the night but can easily avoid it with some smart use of tech and that means you aren't getting rescued in the middle of the night when you've run out of emergency fire and shelter or whatever, geez, that is GREAT.
Presumably it can also be used for the equivalent of Pan-Pan (urgent situation not (yet) requiring immediate rescue), instead of Mayday (immediate rescue). This can be be extremely helpful to both parties.
 
Presumably it can also be used for the equivalent of Pan-Pan (urgent situation not (yet) requiring immediate rescue), instead of Mayday (immediate rescue). This can be be extremely helpful to both parties.
*EXACTLY* - the best calls were always where someone had called *before* they got in way over their head or they had the wisdom (and/or their ego didn't get in the way) to see what it was about to go sideways real fast or had the potential to get out of hand for what they were prepared/qualified for: everyone wins.

There's a bit of gallows humor in fire/rescue/EMS that the easiest patients/victims are those that are fully ambulatory, conscious, and well-fed/hydrated because they're fun and you don't have to carry them or the ones that are fully unconscious so you can just rack 'em and stack 'em on a SKED/litter/whatever and be done with it. The real pains in the ass where you questioned why you chose that line of work where the ones where were somewhere in the middle because they were usually disagreeable, needed tons of management, but were usually so out of it/bonked/out of their league they were very challenging to manage.

Again, gallows humor, so take it in that context.
 
This sounds like a PR stunt to me. It’s just so preposterous
It's not a press release or a news article. It's a summary of a dispatch on Alaska's department of public safety government website. Are Alaska's state troopers doing PR for Apple, is that what you think?

Also, it isn't preposterous at all. Recreational snowmobile use is common in Alaska, they even promote it on their tourism website-

 
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I was waiting for the first story like this to come out after Apple rolled out the feature.

Seems like every year I read a story in the news about someone who was stranded in the snow, or while hiking, or found dead in a remote location and had no way to reach out for help. Here's a really sad one from many years back that still sticks in my mind.


If only they had a way to reach out for help and send their location.

There is no doubt in my mind that this feature will save lives, and sounds like it already may have done so.

I remember that, a couple weeks before Apple announced the iPhone 14’s I stumbled upon the story of the missing German tourists here in Southern California. It’s pretty horrible, and was pretty sobering considering I’ve been to Death Valley several times and plan on going again soon (That’s where they disappeared).

When I saw the keynote and Apple said they will be bringing satellite calling to the iPhone 14’s I couldn’t help think of how something like this would have saved their lives. And next time I go to a place like that I’m bringing some extra battery packs as well to keep the phone charged just in case. Not only is there no cell coverage in Death Valley outside the area at the visitors center, there’s no service anywhere remotely near the park. The whole desert up there is extremely desolate and remote. I once got lost for a short while in Joshua Tree and night, and it’s terrifying once you realize you don’t know where you’re going and are lost.

 
"Stranded". He should have prepared going out there. Not Rely on the Phone. If the environment is Hostile he should have the gear needed to Survive. Make a Fire, shelter, have food ect.. Think People living there going out everyday Don't prepare for events? Bah.
LMAO, lots of sad people online. Negativity abounds. Get out, go outside and work out, and go expels so much anger bro. There is so much more to life. smh
 
Troopers who helped with the rescue were "impressed with the accuracy and completeness of information included in the initial alert," with the Emergency SOS via Satellite feature designed to ask several questions ahead of when an alert is sent out to expedite rescue missions.
I live in a remote area of Colorado and have asked our local search and rescue teams about this. As they said, they are in the business of saving lives, and any tool that makes their job easier and quicker is a plus. Colorado is a beautiful, but dangerous state, and many people die here in many ways (2019 - 104 outdoor recreation deaths). The search and rescue teams do a great job, but sometimes finding people is impossible because of the vast terrain and lack of any cell service. Sure, people do really dumb things, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve rescuing. We fund SAR through various registration fees, so people aren't charged unless they need medical transportation (ambulance or helicopter)

I camp and hike frequently, and have been doing it long enough to be prepared. But, I am glad I have an iPhone 14 Pro and have tested it out using the demo. It doesn't cause me to be less prepared, but just gives me a little piece of mind.
 
OMG. How very sad to read a comment like this. You know nothing of the circumstances. And arguing about people's preparedness is NOT what this thread is about. For whatever reason, he's stranded. It's done. He happens to have a new iphone and uses an incredible new tool from Apple to save his life. That's what this thread is about. It's about Apple and it's technology. It's not for so many to use any and every thread as an opportunity to spew your own personal agenda about anything and everything not pertinent to the thread.
And had this been available sooner it could have saved a lot more lives by now. This is a feature to be grateful for, not cynical. I dunno why people feel the need to be so negative.
 
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