Couldn't agree more. People just have unrealistic expectations when it comes to Apple.
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Apple's 'iPhone 5S Problem' Suggests Need to Be Less Predictable
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Couldn't agree more. People just have unrealistic expectations when it comes to Apple.
I agree with the "same form factor" statement although, to me, the iPhone is still the perfect from factor. But I don't agree with the statement that Apple needs "to Be Less Predictable". Right, Apple is in a situation where people knows pretty much when a new version will come out but isn't the case with most products anyway ? Take cars for example.
"It August and I need a new car. But I heard that by the end of the year, they will come up with the next year model. Should I wait or will I get mad when I'll buy my new car only to find out a new one will be out 3 months later?"
To me, production wise, being able to come up with a new model (even with the same form factor) every year and being able to delver it is pretty much the perfect scenario.
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"It August and I need a new car. But I heard that by the end of the year, they will come up with the next year model. Should I wait or will I get mad when I'll buy my new car only to find out a new one will be out 3 months later?"
To me, production wise, being able to come up with a new model (even with the same form factor) every year and being able to delver it is pretty much the perfect scenario.
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Totally agree. The lawsuit (in Brazil) *should* fail, but in this world, who knows. Regardless, they are being sued for it. Pretty ridiculous.
It is a problem, except for the fact that people have started to become disappointed by the non-'S' releases (iPhone 5) and less so about the 'S' releases (iPhone 3GS/4S) because they know not to expect much.
And yet iPhones continue to outsell all other competitor devices. Nothing has changed.
Personally, I couldn't be happier with my 5, far better than my previous 4, which itself was a phenomenal phone. But I'll be skipping the 5S anyway; damn 2 year contracts!
And yet iPhones continue to outsell all other competitor devices. Nothing has changed.
Personally, I couldn't be happier with my 5, far better than my previous 4, which itself was a phenomenal phone. But I'll be skipping the 5S anyway; damn 2 year contracts!
Only at a first glance - some nice thoughts concerning customer behavior based on the typical iPhone life cycles/update strategy if you ask me.
The ONLY reason I'd consider upgrading from my 4s to a 5s is that AT&T is charging me for it every month regardless (cost is embedded in the plan).
And I will probably just flip it on eBay, because I really don't expect much from apple, especially after seeing the wife's ip5.
And I will probably just flip it on eBay, because I really don't expect much from apple, especially after seeing the wife's ip5.
What innovation, exactly, is Samsung, Android, etc providing?
I read people saying how innovative they are, but it seems to me that they are mere copiers of Apple.
What innovative features are actually better than Apple's offerings?
Personally I like the Apple ecosysytem, which has attained stability. I like iOS, and the the way Apple products work. What superior experience do the competitors provide?
Sorry, but when many of the new features of the updated iOS aren't supported on older devices, it does tend to make the older hardware obsolete. This is Apple's fault. The iPhone4 can run Siri, but Apple wanted people to run out and buy the 4S. The iPhone4 can also handle 3D maps, but Apple wants you to buy a 5.
So yes, it is annoying when they churn out updated devices quickly because they purposely keep the new software features from running on the older devices.
Planned and forced obsolescence in spite of the technology.
So yes, it is annoying when they churn out updated devices quickly because they purposely keep the new software features from running on the older devices.
Planned and forced obsolescence in spite of the technology.
Or... there were technical considerations that you aren't aware of.
And then you have Android, which is much, much worse.
the WOW effect
we need that effect back on
The Apple effect - its missing due to these leaks which is really annoying
i like the S range , i actually buy the S range cos i feel its well structured and developed version the the main range
so am patiently saving up and waiting on the iPhone5s
we need that effect back on
The Apple effect - its missing due to these leaks which is really annoying
i like the S range , i actually buy the S range cos i feel its well structured and developed version the the main range
so am patiently saving up and waiting on the iPhone5s
Thank you! When I get bored with my phone, I stop playing with it and do something else with my time. Not continue staring at it and wish that it did things that it doesn't.
I'm certainly not saying that the iPhone is perfect. Because it's not. There are legitimate reasons why people buy Android devices over iOS devices. I just don't understand people that expect to be entertained by mobile operating systems. That's why we have books, movies, television, video games, etc.
Yet, from the images, the S4 looms exactly the same as the S3 but everyone still considers it to be "innovative"
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Name me pone thing that they've kept the same in the iPhone 5, that they did in the 4S.
New body, new screen, new cameras, LTE, upgraded wifi, and thats before I mention the A6. Even the noise-cancelling microphones were updated!
But when a 4S comes and the only things different are an A5 and camera, then Apple for some reason hasn't lost its innovation there. But when they release a phone gleaming with all of these upgrades, then it's laziness.
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Name me pone thing that they've kept the same in the iPhone 5, that they did in the 4S.
New body, new screen, new cameras, LTE, upgraded wifi, and thats before I mention the A6. Even the noise-cancelling microphones were updated!
But when a 4S comes and the only things different are an A5 and camera, then Apple for some reason hasn't lost its innovation there. But when they release a phone gleaming with all of these upgrades, then it's laziness.
Maybe around here but that's par for the course here.
No assumptions here. Which part of what I said do you think are assumptions?
I see my Android colleagues constantly struggling with battery life and other strange issues on their phones, not to mention unreliable apps and constantly shifting hardware platforms. And then there is the whole IT factor. If you own Android you have to manage all of the new OS updates and whether you want them, and what works with what, etc. The reason I have an iPhone is so that I don't have to manage my phone like I do a computer network. It just works, and since it is a real time mission critical device, I need it to just work and not be a constant source of maintenance.
In short, predictability is good.
In short, predictability is good.
Maybe the next iPhone could be the 5T that will fix the problem
Personally I think this time around while the case might stay the same internally we could see some big upgrades. But for most they just want a smart phone that works and the iPhone works, my 3Gs is still working but after 3 years might need a new battery soon.
I hope the 5s (or what every they call it) is released by mid year.
Thats like saying the new BMW has 4 wheels, it's literally the same as the 2012 model!
Personally I think this time around while the case might stay the same internally we could see some big upgrades. But for most they just want a smart phone that works and the iPhone works, my 3Gs is still working but after 3 years might need a new battery soon.
I hope the 5s (or what every they call it) is released by mid year.
Thats like saying the new BMW has 4 wheels, it's literally the same as the 2012 model!
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The reason I've not upgraded my 3Gs, it's a little slow but does all I need. Plus until last month I was running an older PPC Mac and could not get the iPhone5 as it requires iTunes that is no longer supported under PPC.
Actually, I meant make the Lightning-to-30pin adapter bigger so it fit securely into a universal dock using an appropriate, existing, insert.
This might be irrelevant, but I just thought of this:
What if Apple made a big, high-end iPhone, kept the current iPhone in production and had their 'Mini iPhone'? I think more people would buy Apple phones and we'd have more choices.
Also, I think it'd be cool if Apple released an updated product every few years with that update being a BIG update. Then there'd be more reasons to upgrade?
What if Apple made a big, high-end iPhone, kept the current iPhone in production and had their 'Mini iPhone'? I think more people would buy Apple phones and we'd have more choices.
Also, I think it'd be cool if Apple released an updated product every few years with that update being a BIG update. Then there'd be more reasons to upgrade?
Unless Apple has something up their sleeve that tempts you enough to upgrade.
I just hope they don't believe NFC and a fingerprint sensor will be better accepted than Siri as "must-have" features. At this point, only a larger screen surprise would do the trick. AAPL will get a beating otherwise.
Unless Apple has something up their sleeve that tempts you enough to upgrade.
You will find me among those that don't feel a bigg screen is needed at all. More stable cell connections, 802.11ac, better camera are all more important than a bigger screen to many
I have no idea about other phones (everyone I know uses iPhones), but I think Apple is getting a bit lazy.
I've had every iPhone, except for 4 and 5. The main difference is retina display and processing speed, other than that, they are all extremely alike. Long-standing issues continue to be ignored, yet software and hardware gets a load of useless junk every update.
And now people seem to have become obsessed with larger screens and want their phones to be like iPads. Sad thing is that Apple will follow the masses in this, just as it has done for the last couple of years, instead of going its own path, which led them to success in the first place.
I've had every iPhone, except for 4 and 5. The main difference is retina display and processing speed, other than that, they are all extremely alike. Long-standing issues continue to be ignored, yet software and hardware gets a load of useless junk every update.
And now people seem to have become obsessed with larger screens and want their phones to be like iPads. Sad thing is that Apple will follow the masses in this, just as it has done for the last couple of years, instead of going its own path, which led them to success in the first place.
My sister switched from a Samsung to the iPhone 4s because the scene on the other was too big in her opinion.
Really how big do you need your 'phone' to be? I think some where between 4-5 is the ideal side, any bigger just get a tablet. Now how hard would it be for Apple to include phone functions in the iPad range? I mean it would give those who want a BIG screen something to crow about a 7.9" iPhone!