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While we are talking about strange trains of thought: Actually Apple _does_ sell „a modern smaller-screened iPhone”. It’s a bit weak on battery and CPU power, lacks cameras and its usability is questionable at times, due to the really small screen. But it is wildly popular with people. It’s called “Apple Watch LTE”. :-D

Unfortunately, I own one and it doesn’t work in half the countries I go to (including the one I live in). Not that I’m blaming Apple, but good lord I don’t understand why telecoms have become the dirty underbelly of the tech industry.
 
I’m just glad that this data proves we can finally move on from all the “everyone wants the old tiny screens back” chatter around this place. When the best selling phone has a 6.1” display it’s time to leave the 3.5” and 4” screens in the past.
True but that doesn't mean No one wants the smaller screens as is evidenced by Apple bringing out
smaller budget phones.
 
I see a decent amount of XRs and now 11s around NYC.
The XR and the 11 are really ideal phones because they aren’t really any different from the pro. The screen IMO is perfectly fine, I don’t get the big deal with the screen, it’s colorful bright and sharp enough.

I also really like the 6.1 screen. I have a XS Max but the 6.1 really hits that sweet spot of not to small and not too big.
 
Given the numbers I find it an odd choice to leave the cases out for the iPhone 11, especially when you look at the range of cases made for the 11 Pro. I brought my money to Nudient because of the lack of choice in the Apple department. They sure missed out on some extra cash with only 1 'color' casing.

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Looking at these numbers, iPhone 11 is a HIT. If we look at 2018's numbers, the iPhone Xr sold 23.1M units. The 11 in 2019 sold 37.3M units. iPhone Xr was available October 26, 2018 and the 11 was made available September 20, 2019. A month more of sales but 14M more units sold. Mighty impressive.
 
I’m just glad that this data proves we can finally move on from all the “everyone wants the old tiny screens back” chatter around this place. When the best selling phone has a 6.1” display it’s time to leave the 3.5” and 4” screens in the past.
Nobody ever said everyone wants small screens back. Some people do, and they will continue to no matter what the most popular phone currently is. Way to make a nonexistent connection.
 
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I think iPhone 11 price was lower than XR. With this approach Apple regained its global foothold again. I was having iPhone 11 until recently, upgraded to 11 Pro Max since I could not stand 11 display(spoiled with QHD Samsung and Huawei big mobiles) though I tried my best to get used to its low resolution. Otherwise it was a real beauty & workHorse in the iPhone line up. But I understand why it’s so successful, iPhone 11 cameras real gem and Samsung & others must seriously think about pricing! There is very low market for $1100-$1500 range across the platforms.
 
Looking at these numbers, iPhone 11 is a HIT. If we look at 2018's numbers, the iPhone Xr sold 23.1M units. The 11 in 2019 sold 37.3M units. iPhone Xr was available October 26, 2018 and the 11 was made available September 20, 2019. A month more of sales but 14M more units sold. Mighty impressive.
Clever consumers! If someone used 11 they would rethink going after XR or 11 Pro or 11 Pro Max; in my place iPhone 11 128 GB is sold at best prices off-store markets, authorised retailers still showing insanely over priced ones for Apple!!
 
Yet again macrumors ended up being wrong about a product. Everyone made out like no one would want a low res screen with chunky bezels. the reality is the average Joe couldn't care less about oled and ppl.

My iPhone XR is the best phone ive ever had. It will take a lot to make me upgrade from this. smartphones are just getting silly now with all their cameras and other gimmicky stuff with outrageous prices. The XR and 11 are perfect for 90% of people.
 
It won’t though, the £399 2020 device will easily outsell the 2020 high end models. Just wait and see.
It won’t even be close, but at the excellent price of $399, it will sell very well—as I’ve said more than once.

It’ll likely sell about what Apple expects, about 30 million. 5.4-6.7” models will sell maybe 120 million. Because by far, most customers prefer larger iPhones, even when they’re priced from quite a bit more expensive to 2-3 times more expensive.
 
I’m just glad that this data proves we can finally move on from all the “everyone wants the old tiny screens back” chatter around this place. When the best selling phone has a 6.1” display it’s time to leave the 3.5” and 4” screens in the past.

This doesnt really prove anything. For one, selling the most of a phone model doesnt excactly mean we should completely abandon another market. And also, it would be important to account for the fact that Apple doesnt even have an updated 4" phone to compete with in the recent market. By now the SE is already about 4 years old thats budget minded and with an even older chip. Plus the design inching closer to 8 years ago. Think what can be done with overall size factor, its now possible to fit a 5" screen on the the similar smaller form and have the most modern tech on it (and/or budget minded.)
 
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An SE-sized iPhone will never have the specs of an XR/11 or a 11 Pro. The SE has a very small battery, about 1/2 the capacity of the iPhone 11. There’s not enough room for a modern camera array, or even a notch for FaceID.

All those features are possible only on a larger-sized phone. Maybe one day customers will want small phones again, and will be willing to accept the compromises inherent in a small form factor. But right now, customers mostly want larger iPhones 🤷‍♂️
You have valid points there.
The sales result basically says the choices suck now... 😩
Really hoping the rumor of a smaller form factor (smaller than the X) is true. The X is just a tad too big for me. Or even better, hopefully the technology advances to make things smaller again.
 
I’m just glad that this data proves we can finally move on from all the “everyone wants the old tiny screens back” chatter around this place. When the best selling phone has a 6.1” display it’s time to leave the 3.5” and 4” screens in the past.
Actually, what this data proves is that the most popular phone was Apple's smallest phone available. This proves that no one wants big phones, and it is time for Apple to move back to offering smaller sized phones.
 
All that talk of flagships in phone news and the world's bestselling smartphone was a base model from the previous year. What a situation for manufacturers.

The takeaways are that people want to pay less for a smartphone, that flagships are not as important as they used to be and that not all flagship features are important. Things have changed.
 
All that talk of flagships in phone news and the world's bestselling smartphone was a base model from the previous year. What a situation for manufacturers.

The takeaways are that people want to pay less for a smartphone, that flagships are not as important as they used to be and that not all flagship features are important. Things have changed.

To be fair... the iPhone XR was still a "current" iPhone from January 1, 2019 until September 20, 2019... it had a good 9-month run through most of 2019

The iPhone XR only became a "previous year" model once the iPhone 11 was released later in 2019

But yes... at the end of 2019... the iPhone was XR was considered a previous year model.

The bigger story is how the iPhone 11 sold almost as many in 3 months as the iPhone XR did all year!

You're right... Apple sells more units of their cheaper models versus their expensive models. And the iPhone XR and iPhone 11 had great mix of features and a great price.

I hope Apple remembers this when they price their new models later this year.
 
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To be fair... the iPhone XR was still a "current" iPhone from January 1, 2019 until September 20, 2019... it had a good 9-month run through most of 2019

The iPhone XR only became a "previous year" model once the iPhone 11 was released later in 2019

But yes... at the end of 2019... the iPhone was XR was considered a previous year model.

The bigger story is how the iPhone 11 sold almost as many in 3 months as the iPhone XR did all year!

You're right... Apple sells more units of their cheaper models versus their expensive models. And the iPhone XR and iPhone 11 had great mix of features and a great price.

I hope Apple remembers this when they price their new models later this year.

By this logic, could one not argue that the existence of the iphone 11 is what allows Apple to price the 11 pro and 11 pro max at their current levels? Apple doesn’t need to worry about lost sales due to their flagships being too expensive because they have a cheaper base model that customers can still consider.
 
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By this logic, could one not argue that the existence of the iphone 11 is what allows Apple to price the 11 pro and 11 pro max at their current levels? Apple doesn’t need to worry about lost sales due to their flagships being too expensive because they have a cheaper base model that customers can still consider.

Exactly.

For the longest time... a new current iPhone was $650-$750

But in 2017 Apple introduced the iPhone X which created a new tier of more expensive phones... a higher tier... while continuing to offer the iPhone 8 at the "old" price.

Of course... everyone lost their minds at the mere thought of a "thousand dollar phone"

But you could still get a new current-gen iPhone for the normal $650-$750

As time went on... The XS was the $1000 "premium" phone... while the XR was the "phone for everyone else"

And today... we've got the "premium" 11 Pro series... and the "standard but still amazing" iPhone 11

So yeah... that's exactly what Apple did. If the premium iPhone is too much... they still offer an amazing alternative. And it looks like people bought it!

Apple has great phones ~$700... and higher tier phones ~$1,000

So I'm very interested to see what happens with the supposed SE2. If it has a current-gen processor and a decent camera for ~$400-$500... Apple will have the most complete lineup ever. Finally!
 
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