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No he couldn't.... the technology wasn't there yet. You don't know what you're talking about.

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IPS is LCD....

It's a specific implementation of an LCD; "In Plane Switching" gives a wider view angle than cheaper TFT (Thin Film Transistor) displays.

Is this a quiz?
 
Maybe for you. Maybe not. Certainly not for most people.

Depends. If most people want a device that's better for reading, then the Kindle is better then the iPad.

Why? It can run for a month with one charge, and it weighs less.
 
Maybe for you. Maybe not. Certainly not for most people.

I agree. I think the time for still pages with images and text needs to go. While the world has done great with such things, for so long, we have the technology to move forward with even richer forms of media that can both entertain and educate more effectively.

/philosophical diatribe :eek:
 
Anything involving the lackluster iBooks store is a major fail. Thank god for Kindle.

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Reading on an LCD is awful
Can't sell back e-books
Apple is the provider - lame.

I'd have much more faith in it if Amazon was the one providing all of this.

This comment reminds me of Steve Balmer's reaction to both the iPhone and the iPad... So dead wrong...
 
This is stupid. Digital Textbooks are only good with E-ink displays, otherwise you're gonna cause eye strain.

Eye strain, as a general rule is caused by two factors.
1) Uncomfortably low refresh rates with CRT displays.
2) Attempting to focus at something too close for too long a period of time.
A distant third factor is:
3) Attempting to focus through intense screen reflections

E-paper has absolutely no impact on either of the first two, and taking even a modicum of care positioning your screen will drastically reduce (or even eliminate) the third, even if you have the world's most reflective display. (The ubiquitous move to LCD displays has gone a *long* way toward eliminating eye strain in the work environment.)
 
Depends. If most people want a device that's better for reading, then the Kindle is better then the iPad.

Why? It can run for a month with one charge, and it weighs less.

If power socket was located in Sri Lanka that would matter.
 
You have no clue.

Reminds me of this thread circa 2002. iPod? That will never work. 1000 songs on one device? That’s stupid. People like their physical CD collections. If Jobs thinks this will save Apple then he hasn’t got a clue.
 
As a teacher, is there any material you cover with books that Wikipedia doesn't offer for free? Look at the current list of organic reactions for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organic_reactions

Click on a few links -- the explanations are better than anything you'll see in college chemistry books. I don't understand why anyone would buy e-books (or "real" textbooks) with the free alternatives available.
Wikipedia is woefully inadequate except for rudimentary understanding on a topic. I agree that it's a useful tool, but certainly shouldn't be used exclusively and for degree-level content in particular it simply couldn't. I graduated in the summer with a degree in law, and there's no way I could have replaced the nuanced and sophisticated comments in a detailed textbook with Wikipedia content.

Textbooks have a lot of added value over and above basic statements of fact, and a number of textbooks may be required for even one subject area. Wikipedia's aim to be an unbiased, concise encyclopaedia does not fit with this.

The key will be the price. Some people are getting hung up on the resale issue, but I'd like to point out that there are many subject areas where there is virtually no resale value, due to new editions being spewed out every year. I hope Apple and the publishers can strike an attractive arrangement.
 
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Not trying to convince anyone, just stating that e-ink is the way to go for this.

If you lay down under the sun to study, you may have two issues:

1. You may end up with skin cancer,
2. You may end up with lower grades opposite to studying in the library,

This from personal experience...
 
Eye strain, as a general rule is caused by two factors.
1) Uncomfortably low refresh rates with CRT displays.
2) Attempting to focus at something too close for too long a period of time.
A distant third factor is:
3) Attempting to focus through intense screen reflections

E-paper has absolutely no impact on either of the first two, and taking even a modicum of care positioning your screen will drastically reduce (or even eliminate) the third, even if you have the world's most reflective display. (The ubiquitous move to LCD displays has gone a *long* way toward eliminating eye strain in the work environment.)

I'm working 5 days a week for 8-10 hours and i can't remember the last time ihad this thing called eye strain.

Reading paper books also can cause it, so there is no real difference between say IPS LCD and e-ink.
 
You sound like someone ten years ago saying his great the fax machine is, and how it's ten times better than email. E-ink is a step back, and is only slightly popular because of its cheapness.

More like it's two steps forward, two steps back, and a jump off to the right somewhere. While I don't agree with Nerdal's somewhat hyperbolic stance that LCD displays absolutely suck for reading books (I've read novels on my iPhone), I do think eInk is better for long term usage.

You have to admit, a color eInk display with the same response time as your usual IPS screens would be a beautiful thing to behold. Unfortunately, we're still a few years away from that.

To expand upon your analogy, saying eInk sucks would be like people back in the 90's saying LCD sucked compared to CRT because you had to look directly at it to see anything, and the response time was so slow, your mouse cursor would smear across the screen every time you moved it.

In case you can't tell, LCD screens have kinda improved dramatically since then. So will eInk.
 
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Depends. If most people want a device that's better for reading, then the Kindle is better then the iPad.

Why? It can run for a month with one charge, and it weighs less.

People voted on Amazon, and most voted with their wallets for the Fire, which as you know, isn't E-ink. Few are pining for E-ink.
 
For images and multimedia, it's not really a textbook, now is it? I think Apple should wait until E-ink catches up so that it can be multitouch and faster. It would be a better textbook alternative than an iPad right now.

I believe e-ink is better for textbooks than LCD

What was the last textbook you used that didn't have images? Having just completed my degree, I can tell you that the typical textbook these days has *many* full-color images and diagrams in it to help illustrate various concepts. Color E-ink just isn't there yet, and the ability to potentially show animations will allow some (but not all) concepts to be illustrated much more clearly and concisely.
 
People voted on Amazon, and most voted with their wallets for the Fire, which as you know, isn't E-ink. Few are pining for E-ink.

Kindle Fire is a tablet. That's why it's not e-ink.

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What was the last textbook you used that didn't have images? Having just completed my degree, I can tell you that the typical textbook these days has *many* full-color images and diagrams in it to help illustrate various concepts. Color E-ink just isn't there yet, and the ability to potentially show animations will allow some (but not all) concepts to be illustrated much more clearly and concisely.

Actually, Color E-ink is out already: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/08/technology/08ink.html
 
Do to education what iPod did to music industry

Any one who thinks that an announcement about academic textbooks is no big deal hasn't bought or read a textbook in years.

In fall 2011, over 49.4 million students will attend public elementary and secondary schools. Of these, 34.9 million will be in prekindergarten through 8th grade and 14.5 million will be in grades 9 through 12. An additional 6.0 million students are expected to attend private schools. http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372

That's a huge market ready to be transformed.

This announcement is probably not the roll out of a product. But it might announce the architecture and that will allow people to create the products.

Textbooks are crap. Students hate them, teachers hate them, even the publishing industry hates them, but they are all locked in to as system that prevents innovation. Sound familiar?

Read the posts by students who have to use (and carry) textbooks. ePublishing in education is ripe to explode but very few people have a good product out there. Just making an etext out of a textbook doesn't do anything or solve any problems, but making it multimedia, searchable and interactive, include links to thousands of related articles, embed it with a moodle, or other on-line learning system, and you have a game changer.

Imagine an App store for education.
 
People were saying the same thing at iTunes introduction. The "stupid music store" they called it, and now look what it developed into.

Personally, as a college student who spends ~$500 on textbooks every semester I am frustrated with the level of interactivity (or lack thereof) that comes with printed material. I was searching a textbook for biological terms the other day while preparing for a final and it literally took me 45 minutes to find 2 words. With an ebook, it would have taken me 45 seconds.
8 downvotes. Cute. My point was, it's an entire event devoted to what's rumored to be only about this. I'm not downplaying how important it is to individuals such as yourself. I'm merely questioning devoting an event to it.

This is something I'd sooner expect to see thrown into the random topics beore a larger announcement.
 
As a teacher, is there any material you cover with books that Wikipedia doesn't offer for free? Look at the current list of organic reactions for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organic_reactions

Click on a few links -- the explanations are better than anything you'll see in college chemistry books. I don't understand why anyone would buy e-books (or "real" textbooks) with the free alternatives available.

Sorry to hear that you are a teacher.

Wiki-free-pedia is good as a starting point (when appropriate), not the all-point or end point.
 
I have a BS in MechEngr (decades ago).

Show me an animation of a mechanism with force vectors...
Now change the link parameters...
Change the forces acting on the links...

How about an animation of heat transfer through a solid?
through two solids...
add a 2 mil airgap...

How about airflow around an object?

These are basic enhancements that redefine etextbooks. E-ink isn't capable of this.

Which is a better educational tool?

Agree 100% Better interactivity is key. Enhanced 3d animations, voice input/feedback, models of practical examples, etc.. IMO, reading 40pg chapters can only get you so far. Besides, visual learning is much more effective than memorization. It's been proven time and again and yet our society has a particularly hard time accepting this. For some reason, the perception is that "adult" textbooks should include more text and less illustrations.
 
8 downvotes. Cute. My point was, it's an entire event devoted to what's rumored to be only about this. I'm not downplaying how important it is to individuals such as yourself. I'm merely questioning devoting an event to it.

This is something I'd sooner expect to see thrown into the random topics beore a larger announcement.

Ok, think about this: you are questioning the wisdom of the most valuable tech company in the world, with 80 billion dollars in the bank... Your questioning of this event reflect what mnany other companies do: questioning, and then when success strikes, copy like mad...
 
Kindle Fire is a tablet. That's why it's not e-ink.

In your world;

readers are E-ink,
only readers are appropriate for etextbooks;
hence, all etextbooks will be on readers, and any tablet with etextbooks on them will explode into a million tiny fragments from incompatibility.
 
Do Apple seriously believe the education system can afford for 20 iPads per classroom? The education system here in Britain can barely afford new text books. If they want iPad to become an in-school learning tool then I'm afraid they'll have to be offered to schools in bulk at a massively lower price. Otherwise this is totally unrealistic and a waste of time.

This has been the case for the past 30 years or so, first with the 'computer', then with the 'internet'. Schools somehow always find a way.
 
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