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It's interesting to me that they haven't actually released any sales figures. Leads me to believe that maybe they aren't as rosy as Apple wants us to believe. If sales were blockbuster, then why wouldn't they brag about them like they do for the iPhone?

They probably want to save that for WWDC.
 
Exactly.

The days of people building their own PCs are over. These people have grown up and able to afford better product that will work and save them time. They don't have time to tinker around a box anymore. They have more important things to do then trying to find ways to upgrade an old pc. The new kids are all about playing games and hacking software. The number of people who are still playing around with hardware is not enough to justify upgradability in a machine that will grow old pretty fast.

Dunno about that. Just turned 64 and am having a blast picking out the parts for my new build.
I would agree that the need to upgrade is not as urgent as it used to be. Even mid-level computers are extremely fast nowadays. My current PC build is about 6 years old and still doing pretty well.

By the way I am also greatly enjoying my rMBP 13. And my iPhone 6+. And my iPad Air. Am not an Apple hater, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything Apple does. It would be better if they gave buyers the option to upgrade drives and memory on their new products. I don't see how it could negatively impact users like yourself who don't wish to bother upgrading their devices.
 
I wonder what their competitive reasons are for not giving watch sales numbers? Because they sold too many and don't want to embarrass the competition, or because they didn't sell as many as they wanted to and don't want to embarrass themselves?

Well, they announced the policy back in October months before it went on sale, so probably neither.

Most of their competitors don't announce phone sales. Apple still does. My guess is that they don't want to establish a precedent of disclosing more than their competitors do. By putting it in "other" they also don't set the expectation that this is the next iPhone.

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It's interesting to me that they haven't actually released any sales figures. Leads me to believe that maybe they aren't as rosy as Apple wants us to believe. If sales were blockbuster, then why wouldn't they brag about them like they do for the iPhone?

Probably because back in October they said they weren't going to disclose sales figures for the Watch. My guess is that they expected sales to be relatively modest by Apple standards.
 
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that if the company logos would have been swapped in the background, you would have found it funny.

Actually no, I don't find hyperbole based on false premise to be funny. There's nothing funny about misrepresenting something. the "apple tax"n "no games", and "throw it away" are outdated arguments, no one upgrades a laptop. no one upgrades an allinone. The prices are within a pretty close parity when you compare similar machines/form factors. and thre are a surprising number of games available. Get new talking points or GTFO. I use both windows and OSX machines. I'm platform agnostic. but fantards are annoying.

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Dunno about that. Just turned 64 and am having a blast picking out the parts for my new build.
I would agree that the need to upgrade is not as urgent as it used to be. Even mid-level computers are extremely fast nowadays. My current PC build is about 6 years old and still doing pretty well.

By the way I am also greatly enjoying my rMBP 13. And my iPhone 6+. And my iPad Air. Am not an Apple hater, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything Apple does. It would be better if they gave buyers the option to upgrade drives and memory on their new products. I don't see how it could negatively impact users like yourself who don't wish to bother upgrading their devices.


You can upgrade drives, the new PCIE interface ones are just extremely limited and impossible to find outside a system pull. Plus cloud storage and ubiquitous broadband are making drive upgrades not as necessary.
 
Exactly.

The days of people building their own PCs are over. These people have grown up and able to afford better product that will work and save them time. They don't have time to tinker around a box anymore. They have more important things to do then trying to find ways to upgrade an old pc. The new kids are all about playing games and hacking software. The number of people who are still playing around with hardware is not enough to justify upgradability in a machine that will grow old pretty fast.

Nope.

The days of people building there own PC's are not even close to being over.

Machines are NOT growing old pretty fast. In the past few years, things have leveled off a bit to where a 4 year old computer is still usable and major upgrades are not necessary. About 10 years ago, I would have to upgrade nearly everything every 2 years. Now, my system is like 4 years old and still running great. Still no need to upgrade. I would like to, because I enjoy getting new hardware and setting up the system, but all the games I play and things I do on the system are running great. No need to upgrade yet.
 
Nope.

The days of people building there own PC's are not even close to being over.

Machines are NOT growing old pretty fast. In the past few years, things have leveled off a bit to where a 4 year old computer is still usable and major upgrades are not necessary. About 10 years ago, I would have to upgrade nearly everything every 2 years. Now, my system is like 4 years old and still running great. Still no need to upgrade. I would like to, because I enjoy getting new hardware and setting up the system, but all the games I play and things I do on the system are running great. No need to upgrade yet.

Exactly, I only have to upgrade a video card every 4 generations or so, processors about the same. Adding RAM and HDD space I don't consider "Upgrading" because the same RAM and HDDs can be used for almost a decade across multiple builds. and aside from the Mac Pro, most of the Mac form factors aren't machines that you'd be able to upgrade a windows version of either.
 
Well, they announced the policy back in October months before it went on sale, so probably neither.

Most of their competitors don't announce phone sales. Apple still does. My guess is that they don't want to establish a precedent of disclosing more than their competitors do. By putting it in "other" they also don't set the expectation that this is the next iPhone.

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Probably because back in October they said they weren't going to disclose sales figures for the Watch. My guess is that they expected sales to be relatively modest by Apple standards.

But they want us to think it's the next iPhone and if the sales figures don't support that it won't look good for their marketing. If sales are outstanding, why not give sales numbers? It's a win win situation.
 
Apple Job Interview:

"Do you know how to say the words "fantastic" and "amazing" in every sentence?

"Yes. This job interview is just amazing and I know I will be a fantastic employee."

"You're hired."

:p
 
Apple Job Interview:

"Do you know how to say the words "fantastic" and "amazing" in every sentence?

"Yes. This job interview is just amazing and I know I will be a fantastic employee."

"You're hired."

:p

The guy has to add, everything I do will be "magic"... Got fairy dust in my pocket... Otherwise it is no go ;-).
 
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