iPhone 11 Pro Apple's lack of innovation. Spot-on article.

[MarkB786]

Apple's newest iPhone relies on cameras to hide its lack of innovation

Apple, the company that created the modern-day smartphone, is relying on technology customers are already extremely familiar with, like cameras, and taking a backseat when it comes to smartphone innovation. Could the company's dedication to familiar technology be a benefit to the iPhone lineup?

www.cnbc.com

And yet people still flock to the iPhone. To his credit, Jobs did warn us about Cook. It was a rather reluctant appointment.

 

[Strelok]

It mentions “innovation” except they are all half assed attempts.

 

[I7guy]

And yet here we are today. Stocks at an all time high. iPhone 11 getting all sorts of accolades. Wearables, services booming.

Someone missed the boat. Either the hundreds of millions that are buying or the people that wrote the article. My guess is the latter, as it seems thedefinition of innovation is a personal moving definition.

 

[revmacian]

Gee, if only there were other mobile devices manufactured and sold by companies other than Apple.

 

[LeeW]

And yet here we are today. Stocks at an all time high.

You're confused, the stock price is not an indication of innovation.

It is simply that the market anticipates good sales. Good sales is not an indication of a good phone, it is simply that people are upgrading (not buying) in higher numbers, the time is right for more to do this than in recent launches where numbers were significantly down.

 

[I7guy]

You're confused, the stock price is not an indication of innovation.

It is simply that the market anticipates good sales. Good sales is not an indication of a good phone, it is simply that people are upgrading (not buying) in higher numbers, the time is right for more to do this than in recent launches where numbers were significantly down.

Apple has shown plenty of innovation. People are confused in thinking there is no innovation at Apple.

The innovation that is evident is showing in the metrics I mentioned above.

 

[mmomega]

Apple's newest iPhone relies on cameras to hide its lack of innovation

Apple, the company that created the modern-day smartphone, is relying on technology customers are already extremely familiar with, like cameras, and taking a backseat when it comes to smartphone innovation. Could the company's dedication to familiar technology be a benefit to the iPhone lineup?

www.cnbc.com

And yet people still flock to the iPhone. To his credit, Jobs did warn us about Cook. It was a rather reluctant appointment.

Weird huh?

Any particular reason why it matters what other people purchase with the cash they spend their day working for?

 

[StellarVixen]

Ah, well...nothing to see here.


Just another thread where someone is saying that Apple isn't innovating anymore vs those who say that it's not true.


Who is right? No one. Because no one can agree upon what "innovation" really means.

 

[The Game 161]

Shows customers don’t give a crap they care about performance, stability, support and a phone that can last as long as they want

Apple do innovate just doesn’t happen all the time which it doesn’t

Apple brings things out when they think it’s ready and don’t rush things out that don’t work properly. Android do if that works for you then you buy android but sales show people would rather have Apple devices

 

[MarkB786]

Weird huh?

Any particular reason why it matters what other people purchase with the cash they spend their day working for?

Actually, I love that they buy it. I own AAPL, so I benefit greatly.

 

[decafjava]

Apple's newest iPhone relies on cameras to hide its lack of innovation

Apple, the company that created the modern-day smartphone, is relying on technology customers are already extremely familiar with, like cameras, and taking a backseat when it comes to smartphone innovation. Could the company's dedication to familiar technology be a benefit to the iPhone lineup?

www.cnbc.com

And yet people still flock to the iPhone. To his credit, Jobs did warn us about Cook. It was a rather reluctant appointment.

Source please. Thank you.

 

[dantracht]

There's really nowhere else these phones can go, IMHO. We're in the age of evolution, not revolution.

 

[Jimmy James]

They lost me at “created the modern day smartphone”. Apple did not create the smartphone. They created their own variant in an existing segment.

I was into smartphones before the iPhone was released. Yes, they sucked. Badly. Apple started by doing many things better, some things worse. What Apple did first was incorporate a multitouch display. They didn’t create multitouch. They didn’t commission the work. They stumbled into it.

These detractors always conspicuously fail to specify what Apple should magically create to empty their wallets.

 

[revmacian]

Ah, well...nothing to see here.


Just another thread where someone is saying that Apple isn't innovating anymore vs those who say that it's not true.


Who is right? No one. Because no one can agree upon what "innovation" really means.

The people who accuse Apple of stagnation are often the same folks who don’t understand that you can’t please all of the people all of the time. They think Apple exists only to appease their every desire and they throw a tantrum when they don’t get their way.

 

[bpeeps]

Ah, well...nothing to see here.


Just another thread where someone is saying that Apple isn't innovating anymore vs those who say that it's not true.


Who is right? No one. Because no one can agree upon what "innovation" really means.

Everyone who wants innovation wants some radically new, completely different product that revolutionizes how we do something. It has to be big, loud, and in your face for the community to see innovation as innovation. Until that product arrives, Apple isn’t “innovating”.

 

[UBS28]

Apple has shown plenty of innovation. People are confused in thinking there is no innovation at Apple.

The innovation that is evident is showing in the metrics I mentioned above.

What Innovation?

The Samsung Galaxy Note has ultrawide, regular camera and also 2X. Does that sound familar? Yes, Apple copied Android phones.

Bigger battery? It is not innovation, Android phones always have had bigger batteries. Again, Apple looked what Android phones have and copied it.

Under Steve jobs, Apple defined the smartphone market. The new Apple, just copies Android phones.

The real innovators are companies like Samsung quite supringly. I bet Steve jobs never imagined that to happen.

(and this is coming from a guy who pretty much owns every Apple product except for the Mac Pro, Macbook Air and the Mac Mini)

 

[danny842003]

Apple hasn’t sent a prototype to market like its main competitor therefore no innovation. Is that the gist of the article?

 

[dantracht]

Everyone who wants innovation wants some radically new, completely different product that revolutionizes how we do something. It has to be big, loud, and in your face for the community to see innovation as innovation. Until that product arrives, Apple isn’t “innovating”.

As much as I know this won't happen, the "innovation" I would truly love to see is Apple producing the same quality product at a lower price, without it looking like an Amazon Fire Tablet, if you KWIM.

Let me see a keynote in a few years where Apple announces the iPhone whatever with the latest technology, the latest everything, top quality, but half the price. That, to me, would be innovation.

Everything else is just a spec bump. It's why I skipped an iPhone upgrade this year for the first time ever.
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As much as I know this won't happen, the "innovation" I would truly love to see is Apple producing the same quality product at a lower price, without it looking like an Amazon Fire Tablet, if you KWIM.

Let me see a keynote in a few years where Apple announces the iPhone whatever with the latest technology, the latest everything, top quality, but half the price. That, to me, would be innovation.

Everything else is just a spec bump. It's why I skipped an iPhone upgrade this year for the first time ever.

Then again, a year without endless bugs like this year's iOS and MacOS releases would be innovation too. I'd settle for that.

 

[I7guy]

What Innovation?

The Samsung Galaxy Note has ultrawide, regular camera and also 2X. Does that sound familar? Yes, Apple copied Android phones.

Bigger battery? It is not innovation, Android phones always have had bigger batteries. Again, Apple looked what Android phones have and copied it.

Under Steve jobs, Apple defined the smartphone market. The new Apple, just copies Android phones.

The real innovators are companies like Samsung under Tim Cook.

(and this is coming from a guy who pretty much owns every Apple product except for the Mac Pro, Macbook Air and the Mac Mini)

I’ll only mention one, deep fusion. Does that ring a bell? Lens focal length aren’t innovation. smart hdr, dynamic hdr in videos. Neural engine. Face id a few more.

I’m glad we agree a bigger battery is not innovation.

If you think adding a lens is copying android, you’re definitely going to think 5g on iPhones is the same.

 

[LeeW]

I would truly love to see is Apple producing the same quality product at a lower price

Given their move to invest so heavily in services that surely, is where their focus should be, reducing the cost of the hardware so that more buy them and thus the services.

Unfortunately, that won't happen, what you will see though is the arcade moving towards $10 per month, cause more games. News+ moving towards $15, cause more news. Apple TV moving to $10, cause more TV.

Users are a cash cow to Apple, They are not so concerned about broadening their user base but more about milking the ones they have.

 

[dantracht]

Given their move to invest so heavily in services that surely, is where their focus should be, reducing the cost of the hardware so that more buy them and thus the services.

Unfortunately, that won't happen, what you will see though is the arcade moving towards $10 per month, cause more games. News+ moving towards $15, cause more news. Apple TV moving to $10, cause more TV.

Users are a cash cow to Apple, They are not so concerned about broadening their user base but more about milking the ones they have.

Absolutely agree, unfortunately. Yet, Amazon seems to do it with their tablets. I have a Fire HD 10, and while it won't ever hold a candle to my iPad, it's great for what it is, an inexpensive gateway into the Amazon world. But that's another discussion.

Like you said, users are a cash cow for Apple.

 

[LeeW]

Amazon seems to do it with their tablets.

A good example. I mean for me I would buy a homepod, its a solid speaker but I want to use Spotify, Apple does not want to let me do that so I buy from Amazon, I bought the original Echo Plus and the new one.

Perhaps not as great sound quality in comparison to the homepod, I think they sound fine, but Amazon doesn't care what I want to listen to or who supplies it to me. So I vote Amazon for letting me do what I want.

I know there a lot of people in the that same position, why lose the sales? They are scared people will choose another music service. If that was really the case they should wonder why.

 

[dantracht]

A good example. I mean for me I would buy a homepod, its a solid speaker but I want to use Spotify, Apple does not want to let me do that so I buy from Amazon, I bought the original Echo Plus and the new one.

Perhaps not as great sound quality in comparison to the homepod, I think they sound fine, but Amazon doesn't care what I want to listen to or who supplies it to me. So I vote Amazon for letting me do what I want.

I know there a lot of people in the that same position, why lose the sales? They are scared people will choose another music service. If that was really the case they should wonder why.

Exactly. I have a few echo's, a home pod, and even received a google home mini for free for being a customer of google drive's cloud storage.

Of the 3, the echo's (or is it echoes?) are the most useful, like you said. I can choose between Spotify, amazon music, Apple Music, siriusxm, even local radio. All that, decent enough sound for my aging ears, and a far more reasonable price.


The HomePod? Sits barely used. Apple is just now allowing Spotify with the latest os update.

Imagine if Apple produced a HomePod mini? Or a HomePod dot? For a reasonable price?

 

[LeeW]

Apple is just now allowing Spotify with the latest os update.

That is something at least, although I am more interested in the new Echo Studio with 3D sound.

 

[mmomega]

Actually, I love that they buy it. I own AAPL, so I benefit greatly.

You love it and criticize it?

TETO

I need to stay out of the iPhone section.