iPhone 11 Pro Apple's lack of innovation. Spot-on article.

[pika2000]

Everyone who wants innovation wants some radically new, completely different product that revolutionizes how we do something. It has to be big, loud, and in your face for the community to see innovation as innovation. Until that product arrives, Apple isn’t “innovating”.

Apple is not "innovating" because the ones talking about "innovation" are people that don't even know what innovation is. Heck, most are not even real techie. They're just the "Hey, I'm using a smartphone so I can call myself a techie" kind of techie.

I'm waiting for a detailed review of the A13 by Anandtech. They seem to be the only ones that genuinely know about tech these days.
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This is all nonsense. The market is too mature to see any radical or extreme changes. It's like going to buy this years newest car model and expecting it to have something last years model does not have.
At this point, incremental improvements to each component is about the best we can expect.
Same thing happened for desktop computers for those of us old enough to have been buying them in th e80s and 90s. They had huge performance strides. Now each year brings a minute processor edge.

Don't bother reading the article. Just look at the credential of the writer. It's just a filler article for clickbaits.

 

[Jimmy James]

I’m reading this on the most amazing piece of technology I own. Something I dreamed about many years ago but turned out even better. Reading about how some view it as some kind of failure.

 

[LeeW]

I’m reading this on the most amazing piece of technology I own

Surface pro?

 

[eyoungren]

I’m reading this on the most amazing piece of technology I own. Something I dreamed about many years ago but turned out even better. Reading about how some view it as some kind of failure.

Yeah, the PowerMac G5 Quad with acrylic 20" Cinema Display is still cool in 2019. I hear you.

 

[I7guy]

But you have to agree it slowed down after the 6s, minus the iPhone X. The Xs was a huge disappointment, IMO. Then the REMOVAL of 3D Touch with this year’s models. Battery life and camera are both great but the camera can only be so great, as mentioned. Then what? Reverse charging and on screen Touch ID? Both aren’t really that interesting. After that... then what? They MIGHT bring the iPhone 4 design back in 2021.. I’d love that but there’s only so much Apple can change. But they’re slow with updates. I’m not a fan of it. That’s why more and more are not upgrading annually anymore. Myself included. The iPad Pro can’t get much better either. OLED in the iPad? Yeah right. That would be so expensive. They’d pass along the costs to us, which would easily make the price of the base Pro to (my guess) $1,200. Not worth OLED as their current LCD displays are awesome.

They’re late with the ultra wide camera as well, I agree with that. They’re dragging everything out as much as they can and it’s not a very profitable move. Investors are not happy with how things are being ran. Everyone thinks “Cock” (lmaoooo).... Cook should be fired. It’s time. Put someone else in charge and implement some change.

It is very likely I’m sticking with my current iPad and iPhone I own now for at least 2 years. The hardware already makes these devices so incredibly powerful and iOS doesn’t make a dent with it all. I only upgraded to the 11 Pro from the X because of the battery life and camera. Removing 3D Touch was not necessary. I’ve adjusted to Haptic but still miss 3D Touch. Would’ve been nice to see the iPhone 4 design as well but they’re dragging that out too, if they’re even doing that.

I’m stuck due to the ecosystem. I’m not parting ways with my Apple Watch. No way in hell. 2-3 day battery life with all settings enabled by default on a single charge plus with all it does. Can’t go wrong with that. Such a higher value vs Fitbit’s similarly designed watch. Same with my iPad Pro 11” and Apple TV. My iPad is now my laptop. Does everything I used my MacBook Air for. I can text and call on my iPad. Same with the Apple Watch. It’s all very convenient. All need the iPhone to work at its full potential. I don’t upgrade iPhones annually anymore so the 11 Pro fits my only desire... which is battery life. Main reason why I upgraded from my Qualcomm X. Thankfully the 11 Pro has very similar signal reliability as the X but the Pro’s chip isn’t throttled down like the Qualcomm chip was. I wasn’t happy about that but speeds were still good enough for everything.

Also, their media services are set to die. They’re worthless, IMO.

There's a difference between a decent evolutionary jump vs a revolutionary jump. That revolutionary jump in Apple's case is the iphone 1. Additionally innovation is not measured in units, ie innovation per iphone, or x innovations per year, etc.

A good evolutionary jump is always good for the experience and customer, and Apple always manages to throw in something that was innovated.

I don't agree the Xs was a disappointment. I love using my Xs max. As far as 3dt goes, I'm disappointed as well. Haptic touch is not a replacement for 3dt...more like a poor substitute.

I never understood those that upgraded as a matter of course. I think they represent a small percentage of iphone users. But you are right, apple doesn't throw tech in like android manufacturers. They wait until their vision of the tech is what they want and then they incorporate new tech.

I like the Apple ecosystem, so for now I am "stuck". Never know what will happen in the future.

 

[LeeW]

I never understood those that upgraded as a matter of course. I think they represent a small percentage of iphone users.

They represent the majority, Apple is entirely dependant on the contract customers to keep numbers up including their own pay monthly upgrade program, as are most phone providers. As soon as that 12-24 month contract is up, a new one is taken and the next phone given.

 

[Falhófnir]

We've reached a point where advancements in tech are not only more difficult to obtain, but correspondingly more expensive as well. The OLED panel in the iPhone X is a lot more expensive than the retina panel in the iPhone 4, despite the overall impact the user feels from it being far more muted. We're pressing up against what's possible to do with silicon chipsets, while at the same time speed increases have been virtually imperceptible since arguably the A9, certainly the A11. Apple absolutely maxed out the potential of the 1/3" sensor in the iPhone 8/X, before moving to the 1/2.5" sensors that are currently the best available in smartphones due to limits on body size. This explains both why the phones debuting this new tech have leapt to $1,000+ and also why the pace of significant change has slowed from yearly to biennially to triennially. There's just no low hanging fruit left to pick.

 

[I7guy]

They represent the majority, Apple is entirely dependant on the contract customers to keep numbers up including their own pay monthly upgrade program, as are most phone providers. As soon as that 12-24 month contract is up, a new one is taken and the next phone given.

You have some citations for that? I think they represent the minority, but I can't prove it. Anecdotally nobody I know is a serial upgrader, except for one friend. As far as I do, I pay cash for my phones.

 

[TopherMan12]

They represent the majority, Apple is entirely dependant on the contract customers to keep numbers up including their own pay monthly upgrade program, as are most phone providers. As soon as that 12-24 month contract is up, a new one is taken and the next phone given.

If Apple is "entirely dependent" on this then aren't Google, OnePlus, Samsung, etc. as well as they have similar programs? This is essentially a 0% interest finance program with the option to trade in after a period of time. That isn't just Apple.

 

[LeeW]

If Apple is "entirely dependent" on this then aren't Google, OnePlus, Samsung, etc. as well as they have similar programs?

Was that not what I said?

 

[TopherMan12]

Was that not what I said?

Nope

 

[LeeW]

You have some citations for that? I think they represent the minority, but I can't prove it.

For the UK yes, but easier than that, look at sales year on year compared to market share, it's all there, they are not selling 200m+ phones to new customers, they are existing customers upgrading, sure there are some who are upgrading on a irregular cycle but most upgrade every cycle, not even because they want to, just because they can with little or no cost to their existing pay monthly plan.
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Nope

Let me help you with colours.

They represent the majority, Apple is entirely dependant on the contract customers to keep numbers up including their own pay monthly upgrade program, as are most phone providers.

 

[HEK]

So Midnight Green is not innovative?

damn, taking mine back. 🥴

 

[I7guy]

For the UK yes, but easier than that, look at sales year on year compared to market share, it's all there, they are not selling 200m+ phones to new customers, they are existing customers upgrading, sure there are some who are upgrading on a irregular cycle but most upgrade every cycle, not even because they want to, just because they can with little or no cost to their existing pay monthly plan.
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Let me help you with colours.

That to me is not proof. I don't see how one can just back into numbers and come up with a pat answer. Businesses that specialize in this have tried and failed before.

 

[LeeW]

That to me is not proof. I don't see how one can just back into numbers and come up with a pat answer. Businesses that specialize in this have tried and failed before.

No worries, will leave it with you.

 

[I7guy]

No worries, will leave it with you.

Yes. No worries here either. It’s just that there is nothing to leave.

 

[Jimmy James]

Yeah, the PowerMac G5 Quad with acrylic 20" Cinema Display is still cool in 2019. I hear you.

Exactly the issue. People are concerned about what’s cool more than what works well.

 

[eyoungren]

Exactly the issue. People are concerned about what’s cool more than what works well.

LOL!!!

My G5 is both cool and continues to work well. I'm not into cool without function. Function or working well however, can be defined differently by everyone.

But I know what you mean.

 

[TopherMan12]

Let me help you with colours.

I swear I read your post twice and somehow missed the colored portion. sigh.....eyes are getting worse and worse it seems.

 

[44267547]

With all the patents that Apple gets and the money spent on R & D
It’s surprising that Apple fails to innovate in a bigger way

So you’re basing innovation on what Apple has in terms of patents? Since when is a ‘patent’ a guaranteed product of anything? For the record, patents do _not_ indicate a product that’s to be released in the future, it indicates something that Apple is researching/developing, Apple patents thousands of different features over the years, it doesn’t mean it will ever come to fruition.

 

[AndrewR23]

I saw a comment about Apple adding dark mode etc etc. I kinda laughed because Ive had dark mode since 2010 with a simple jailbreak.

Not saying this poster did this, but anyone that says Apple is innovating by adding features that jailbreakers have had for 5+ years, is not innovating. Just my opinion. Once again, not saying the above poster is implying this.

 

[rafark]

They lost me at “created the modern day smartphone”. Apple did not create the smartphone. They created their own variant in an existing segment.

I was into smartphones before the iPhone was released. Yes, they sucked. Badly. Apple started by doing many things better, some things worse. What Apple did first was incorporate a multitouch display. They didn’t create multitouch. They didn’t commission the work. They stumbled into it.

These detractors always conspicuously fail to specify what Apple should magically create to empty their wallets.

Dude read the line you're quoting again. He said "created the modern-day smartphone", exactly to avoid saying "created the smartphone". And he's right, apple did create modern smartphones. Blackberries and windows mobiles are no longer "modern". The editor never said "apple created smartphones".

 

[eyoungren]

I saw a comment about Apple adding dark mode etc etc. I kinda laughed because Ive had dark mode since 2010 with a simple jailbreak.

Not saying this poster did this, but anyone that says Apple is innovating by adding features that jailbreakers have had for 5+ years, is not innovating. Just my opinion. Once again, not saying the above poster is implying this.

Jailbreakers have had features for quite some time.

For example, since 2011 when I started jailbreaking, I've been able to place icons on my springboard anywhere I wanted - something Apple still won't let you do.

And Eclipse was a godsend when iOS 7 came out. Blinding white - be gone!

 

[bushman4]

Innovation coming in2020......5G, Underscreen fingerprint reader, and possibly a fourth camera lens

 

[TrueBlou]

Then I have some bad news for you, next years phones (not, just iPhones) won’t be innovative either, or the year after that, or the yea... well, we see where this is going.

Innovation does not in and of itself mean a radical change. It’s simply the use of a new idea, or method.

Such that the A series processors themselves could be called innovative, because each year they don’t just get faster, they introduce new hardware processes the previous generation didn’t have.

Or the addition of UWB, again a new addition, so therefore if you would like to deem it so, innovative.

The trouble is, there won’t be radical innovation in the way most people seem to associate with the term for quite a while.
There’s no radical change of technology to provide that. Even phones with a folding screen, while very interesting, are modifying an already existing technology, hence, iterative.

What we, ok I’ll change that, what I am most interested in with new products, is not how innovative they are, it’s what they can do for me day-to-day. Will they be an improvement enough over the product I already own to justify their purchase. It’s why, for instance, I’m not rushing out to buy an 8K TV, or why I don’t buy a new washing machine or refrigerator every year or two.

I have no problem with innovation in the way a lot of people mean it whatsoever, it’s an amazing thing, it’s just that practically, it happens very rarely.

Man, I’m grumpy this morning, lack of sleep and lack of caffeine do not a happy bunny make