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I was just thinking about the whole "unlocking your device" that I mentioned, and yes, you are correct, that would be the magic backdoor ...
Edit: no it wouldn’t be, see my post #23
What if the relative you give legacy access told everyone they work for Apple as a mobile testing Engineer. In reality it is their cover story as a NSA employee and part of their employment, the agency monitors everything? I'm guessing your argument holds true that one could be unwittingly share those naughty selfies with the Government.
 
Second line of the article seems to indicate unlocking your iPhone is possible:

Judging by the fact none of the screenshots talk about the device, I’d suggest the second line of the article indicates the author has used very clumsy wording.

It gives access to the device, through the removal of activation lock and allowing you to set the device up as new, but not the data on the device. The data comes from the cloud.
 
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Sure it does. Your whole statement says iCloud. The article as written says that the Legacy Contact will have access to data on your device.

Are photos, messages, notes, files, downloaded apps and their data, contacts, and calendars usable without iCloud? I think that they are.

I don’t think the article, as written, is correct.
 
In theory device access could be granted without Apple or the government having a back door in.

Secure Enclave on your device has your biometric data and your passcode. It could also store a second passcode. When you create a legacy contact the second passcode is created and encrypted using a key given to Apple and a key given to your legacy contact. Both keys together are needed to unlock the passcode. If Apple doesn’t store the legacy contact’s key then It can’t itself access your device.

I’m not saying Apple actually implemented it this way, but it would be technically possible to do so.


P.S. If you mess up setting up your legacy contact and the system doesn’t work then Apple can just blame it on you dying wrong.
 
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Can someone please explain to me why this is preferable to ensuring that your family have access to your passwords? They can then log in to all devices, including having access to keychain.
 
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Sounds like they thought it out a little bit. A friend of a friend was caught in an 'uncompromising situation', and his wife went to divorce him, but before filing the paperwork, she found a power of attorney that gave her control over his business. She sold his share of the business out from under him, donating the money to a charity. Then, a month later, filed on him, got a PPO, and a restraining order. She left their joint savings/checking accounts. He supposedly tried to sue her, and the case was dismissed because she supposedly waited enough time before filing, and left all of their joint money so he could buy his way back in, if he wanted. She also had witnesses claiming that he was going to ditch the corporation to screw her out of any possible alimony, which she denied, strengthening her case apparently. It all sounded suspect, but *shrug* Good way to get back at him I guess... He couldn't buy back in due to some by-law stipulations, and likely price, but they were willing to take him back as a salary grunt.

Never underestimate the anger of a woman scorned and cheated on?

With the mom, she had so many accounts with so many mail order places, and FB, Twitter, etc. It took over a year to track them all down. At one point, we even thought she had a few other credit cards and bank accounts too. It was a minor mess. We could never get control over her FB account for some arcane reason. She had two of them too. *sigh*

Giving someone power over my useless existence wouldn't be a huge deal, but I can see where some people wouldn't do it. But if you can't trust the person you are with, why be with them.
 
Can someone please explain to me why this is preferable to ensuring that your family have access to your passwords? They can then log in to all devices, including having access to keychain.

The mom, when she died, had several stacks of paper with passwords on them. Some stapled together, and some loose. After she died, I went through all of the accounts, and not a damn one of the passwords were current. All those many sheets ot paper, and even small planner books full of them were ever correct. She would change passwords every time she logged in, and wouldn't write the new password down. Having a central repository where all of the passwords are up-to-date would have been so much easier, for all of her accounts.
 
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actually no: the owner/user of say the iPhone has to designate a contact with an appleid as said contact, and said contact gets issues a key ... so, if government abc wanted to access persons xyzzy iPhone, they don't have that key, or do they?
Well I assume apple could generate the key anyway, and if so, technically it might just be a back door hidden in plain sight.
 
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Can someone please explain to me why this is preferable to ensuring that your family have access to your passwords? They can then log in to all devices, including having access to keychain.
It’s not preferable. I wouldn’t let anyone have passwords to specific accounts that I have, etc. It’s not necessarily I don’t agree that the feature shouldn’t be implemented, it’s more or less; I don’t think this is necessary, when there’s plenty of other avenues that are far more chain-of-command through P.O.A. than allowing someone to have access to your iPhone.
 
It’s not useful until someone is deceased! That’s the sad part.
Sad?

lol. I think a few people out there will need to remove those personal intimate iMessages/sms/pics/videos before enabling this - and it's not just couples or fair-weather friends either, many parents have very healthy sex lives and still are into one another, that I'm sure their kids would not want to see. lol. can you image?!

Unfortunately I don't have to imagine I watched my parents making my sister literary at at 5 1/2 lol.
 
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It’s not preferable. I wouldn’t let anyone have passwords to specific accounts that I have, etc. It’s not necessarily I don’t agree that the feature shouldn’t be implemented, it’s more or less; I don’t think this is necessary, when there’s plenty of other avenues that are far more chain-of-command through P.O.A. than allowing someone to have access to your iPhone.

Not sure you’ve read the details of what this actually is fully. You say it isn’t preferable but you’ve made a pretty good argument as to why it is preferable.

This doesn’t give access to specific accounts, for example. Giving someone your iCloud password and/or device passcode would (if you use keychain)
 
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Can someone please explain to me why this is preferable to ensuring that your family have access to your passwords? They can then log in to all devices, including having access to keychain.
"...or will any licensed media."

Cynical response: to ensure your media purchases die with you rather than your heirs being able to enjoy them for years to come by using your still-active AppleID.
 
Sad?

lol. I think a few people out there will need to remove those personal intimate iMessages/sms/pics/videos before enabling this - and it's not just couples or fair-weather friends either, many parents have very healthy sex lives and still are into one another, that I'm sure their kids would not want to see. lol. can you image?!

Unfortunately I don't have to imagine I watched my parents making my sister literary at at 5 1/2 lol.

I was talking about dad having PTSD, and out of the blue, sis says 'I know how that feels'. I looked at her, and she finally said what was so disturbing to her: 'Hearing 'them' getting it on. Mom would play a little girl, and it was just so, disturbing'.' I laughed, but then got it. My bedroom was nearly on the other end of the house, so I was spared, but wow... I can only imagine how that played out. We survive our childhoods, mostly.

A friend I made in university was in med school, psychiatry, and we were talking about our childhoods. The Brady Bunch came up. I asked him if it was required to tithe money to that shows creators. He burst out laughing and we had a great time talking about 'life'. Then he moved across the country and I lost track of him. I wonder how much he's contributed over the years...
 
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The only person I’m trusting with my phone is a homie who will delete my browser history and my hidden pics before the family gets ahold of it. The rest is fair game.
You will surely write your comment differently with each passing decade. You are still early on the road.
 
You're seriously triggered by the word "die"?

Hope you're being sarcastic.... if not, wow, wtf is wrong with the world today. :rolleyes:

People get hung up on 'death'. Heck, it's the single equalizer that makes the richest snot and the poorest person, the most honorable, and least of us the same. We all die. The only thing we can hope for is that people will remember us. Many will be remembered for the negative impact they had on others. Too few will be remembered for the positive contributions they made. It's gets more philosophical from here.

I made a joke about sitting at the desk of the previous two people who died, that inhabited it by saying that I felt like a drummer from The Who, and someone really took massive offense at it. (It was meant as a joke, honest) People can't joke about death. It happens to all of us, eventually, and 'the event' is so rich with mystery: Will it be a stroke, heart attack, cancer, car crash, slip and fall, wife/husband/son/daughter/neighbor/co-worker. If you can't joke about death, have you lived a full life? The 105 year old woman that set the record for 100 meter dash said that she's ready to go to sleep and let it all go away, but she keeps waking up every morning. I loved her sense of humor. Such a charming amazing woman. Brava!!!
 
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