Apple's Lengthy Lawsuit With Samsung Over Copying iPhone's Design Headed Back to Court

[deanthedev]

Keep kidding yourself about Samsung not supplying the parts of iPhones.

Yeah, like there have never been complete tear downs of iPhones listing all the internal components.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Yep, hear of them both. Still doesn't change Samsung's influence over the iPhone. In a couple weeks, you won't be able to look at iPhone X without looking directly at that influence. Same next year. If rumors about LG's less than small OLED panels are true, that influence might extend even further.


Probably would have helped the clarity of what you meant if you'd have actually, ya know, said it. Instead of what you did say.

The panels LG made for the V30 and the Ones they made for the pixel 2 were shody. If Apple want high quality oled displays then they need to buy them from Samsung.

 

[Septembersrain]

I’m pretty sure my husband had a Windows phone of some sort that had a large rectangular screen and no physical keyboard in 2004. I was pregnant at the time and not paying super close attention but I remember that it looked like a precursor to an iPhone. It didn’t work like one, but it looked like it. I suppose Apple’s patent covers the icon array being on the rectangular display.

Samsung deserves to get sued but the problem with the system is that this all has dragged on to the point where everything is so different now that it’s hard to see the point. It may even hurt their partnerships on other fronts.

Apple has more blatant copycats now among the Chinese companies. I wonder how they manage to get away with copying the exact shape and placement of antenna lines on chassis that look so much like an iPhone.

They'll never go after those Chinese companies because they would piss off the government there. They are trying to move some factories to India I'd read? I'm sure Apple knows that China is where they get their cheap labor and the options to keep cheap labor are probably very small for their needs.

 

[Shanghaichica]

That's your opinion, seems like the few people which agree with you are, or people with few posts or people which are anti Apple.

Fact is, the S8 backside is fugly., and that fingerprint on the back is just horrible, but hey, that's also an (my) opinion.

No design is subjective. However the tech industry have already praised Samsung for the design of the S8.

 

[Bacillus]

Sorry, I said flagships in my earlier post. Most of those phones Samsung sold are $50-100 low end devices. Only a fraction are models like the S8 or Note 8. Apple doesn’t play in the sub $100 phone market where Samsung gets most of their sales. As I stated before, iPhone slaughters Galaxy S and Note sales.

And sorry, divisions within companies ARE typically operated separately. If one division is losing money, it will get spun off or sold outright as opposed to sucking money from other profitable divisions.

You lost the essence, so many times referred to by others and myself here.

 

[Jsameds]

The same guy that said this:

"We have invented a new technology called multi-touch."

Except the inventor of multi-touch was Bill Buxton with other individuals working on it before him that paved the way for it.

Then said these things:

So basically, stealing is OK unless it's from him? The guy was a scumbag.
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You don't like operating systems that give you options? Why?

The people that quote the 'good artists' quote rarely understand the context in which it was said, and this no exception.

 

[deanthedev]

You lost the essence, so many times referred to by others and myself here.

What “essence” is there to lose regarding iPhone sales slaughtering Galaxy S and Note sales? It’s just stating facts.

Likewise, Apple spending billions getting components from Samsung competitors is also fact.

 

[tooltalk]

I wish I was one of the attorneys working on this case! What bothers me the most about this case is that it seems to be impossible for Apple to get justice in this case, but patent trolls can win much more quickly. WTF! At least Apple is producing products instead of sitting on (often outdated and vague) patents.

This is an absurd comment. Do you even understand the substance of the lawsuit? The SCOTUS just shutdown Apple and remanded the case back to Koh's court, so patent trolls can't abuse the century old design patent law and demand a huge ransom for a minor infringement -- as Apple did here. It doesn't make it easier for trolls to win more quickly.
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its always amusing how people think this boils down to rounded rectangles...

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come on now. samsung even had internal documents that fully admitted this

what internal documents are you referring to ?
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How do you think Samsung feels about losing billions in processor sales to TSMC? And then having those billions go to a competitor, who now have additional resources (revenue) to expand their production and push their processes/fabs forward?

I wouldn’t count LG out. People said TSMC wouldn’t be able to ramp up to meet Apples demands (especially when Apple had to dual-source from both Samsung and TSMC for the A9) and look where they are today.

Well, Samsung LSI or their fab operation wasn't anywhere close to TSMC's in terms of capacity -- TMSC is the largest pure-play foundry in the world -- but I guess you could always ask the same to TSMC about losing Qualcomm AP sales, TSMC's largest customer, to Samsung.

?? The challenge was never whether TSMC would be able to meet Apple's demand, but that Samsung's partner GLOFO who had customer sharing agreement would be able to ramp up their 14nm production (and GLOFO reportedly had yield problem) to meet Apple's needs.

Otherwise, it's nearly impossible to divest away from Samsung's semi business. There is severe worldwide shortage of DRAM and NAND where Samsung is the largest player with 40+% and 35+% of market share.

 

[tooltalk]

They'll never go after those Chinese companies because they would piss off the government there. They are trying to move some factories to India I'd read? I'm sure Apple knows that China is where they get their cheap labor and the options to keep cheap labor are probably very small for their needs.

That must be the reason why Apple decided to drop all non-US lawsuits against Samsung and continue on with the US case only where the US gov't and jury disproportionally favor domestic companies like Apple over foreign ones.

 

[Baymowe335]

Every car ever created was stolen from the original Mercedes-Benz design of a horseless carriage with a rectangular frame with four wheels but you don't see them trying to sue other companies that make a horseless carriage with a rectangular frame and four wheels.

This has never been settled. I would think the car manufacturers would have a case if they started this at the onset of the copy.

 

[Larrcom10]

Apple's over six year old legal battle with Samsung for copying the iPhone's design is headed back to court yet again.

U.S. District Court Judge Lucy Koh on Sunday ordered that a new trial is required to determine whether Apple's $399 million award for Samsung's design patent infringement should stand or whether a new damages trial is required.

Apple and Samsung have until Wednesday to propose a retrial date, according to intellectual property analyst Florian Mueller, but he believes there is about a 30 percent chance the two parties could settle out of court before then.

The lawsuit dates back to 2011, when Apple successfully sued Samsung for infringing upon the iPhone's patented design, including its rectangular front face with rounded edges and grid of colorful icons on a black screen.

Apple's damages were awarded based on Samsung's entire profit from the sale of its infringing smartphones, but Samsung argued that the amount should be a percentage based on individual components like the front bezel or display.

Last December, the U.S. Supreme Court recommended that the U.S. Court of Appeals reconsider the damages amount that Samsung owes.

Apple's statement at the time:Calvin Klein, Dieter Rams, and over 100 other top designers backed Apple last year, arguing the iPhone maker is entitled to all profits Samsung has earned from infringing designs. They cited a 1949 study stating that more than 99 percent of Americans could identify a bottle of Coca-Cola by shape alone.

Apple was initially awarded nearly $1 billion in damages, but a significant part of the decision was reversed in 2015, leaving Samsung owing $548 million. The amount was eventually lowered to $399 million in subsequent retrials.

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[doublepost=1508890542][/doublepost]This is correct? They copied screen mirroring. Samsung pay s pen bigger screen multi tasking able to look at and send texts and pics while on a call. Use 2 apps at once. Really what a joke. Apple is a joke and sho ups be put in it's place for brain washing consumers