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"Why do this crazy thing at all? All we can figure is that the small number of Lightning pins prevented them from doing raw HDMI period, and the elegance of the adapter trumped the need for traditional video out, so someone had to think seriously out of the box. Or maybe they want get as much functionality out of the iPad as possible to reduce cost and complexity."

Or maybe Apple likes to create new interfaces so that they can drive obsolescence and make more money on new equipment and new complicated cables. Apple has a very long history of doing exactly this. It makes Apple very Not-Green.

Cue Lightening 2 port/adapter that (re)allows 'full quality' video with Dolby surround. I'm glad to see my aging iPad 2 is superior to current ones in one of my favourite uses for it.
 
Raspberry Pi

Give me a break, then you buy a case, then you buy a SD card, then a keyboard. Add shipping cost, after all is said and done you saved maybe $20. Then you get to install AirPlay + XBMC. XBMC works pretty well, I will give you that, but AirPlay? AirPlay will work for about 2-3 songs when streaming Audio, then it crashes because it can't keep the audio synced. Sorry that is not worth saving $20.

That's why I said 'but other devices are better value & more flexible.'

You seem to have not heard of Roku, Boxee, Netgear, Western Digital, Android TV…
Many are cheaper than an ATV & support more features (clearly some are worth avoiding too). Your points are valid about the cost of Pi extras, however it does mean you have a custom device that does exactly what you want.

I can't see the point fantasising about 'what Apple software updates will do' when you can get a device that does these things already (Roku has Angry birds if that is what you desire).

Personally I can't see the point of 'apps on a TV' - watching someone else play Wii for extended periods is painful enough, my original point was in response to Fatalbert.

With a Pi you can use a £4 bluetooth adapter & a Wiimote, or grab a USB IR receiver, or use the TV remote via CEC over HDMI.

I wonder how a software update can make Apple's IR remotes into a responsive game controller or is that is what the iPhone/ iPad/ Touch is for? Apple's $300+ TV remote what a bargain.
 
ick..... looking at those pics of hooking this up to big screen produces "less than optimal results"

Looks just like my "dot matrix printer' i once used.
 
I can't see the point fantasising about 'what Apple software updates will do' when you can get a device that does these things already (Roku has Angry birds if that is what you desire).

There have been rumours of AppleTV receiving apps for at least a year.

I bet there will never be apps for the AppleTV, knowing Apple's innovation rate as of late. Which is pretty close to zero compared to Android / some Windows Phone manufacturers like Nokia. (Where's my goddamn wireless charger, Apple? Even lower-end Nokias have them (as a swappable battery cover), let alone the top-end ones like the 920...))
 
Now I know very little about how this all works, but if my calculations are correct... (trying to calculate the size of 30 1080p frames...)

(1920*1080*4)/1000000 = 8.2944 MB...

8.2944 * 30 (FPS) = 248. Is it perhaps coincedence that it's right near the 256MB mark? Or is there some reason to be able to store an entire second of video in memory?

It isn't that simple, first there's 2 million pixels in a 1080p frame, so just use that directly to simplyfy the equation, Also h.264 and the future standard h.265 use JPEG compression, so each frame is something akin to variable bitrate in audio jargon, also movies are in 24/1001 or 25 fps (not sure of the pulldown on Pal.) so a minute of blu-ray quality frames would take up 48 megabytes, assuming lossless compression, but that's probably off, I'm terrible at calculations, but good at equations. :c
 
Disappointed

I bought this cable once I got the iPhone 5. Added a small hdmi2av box for the older car DVD player, which previously played through the 30 pin and composites, streaming Netflix all day long to the children.
So DVI adapter, Iphone5, HDMI2AV box, HDMI cable and AV cables....presto...it all worked great!!!....EXCEPT when you plug the IPhone 5 lightening cable into the DVI adapter to continue powering the IPhone 5 for the streaming movie, it results in nothing but static on the player.
So I'm able to play, as long as I'm not charging...ridiculous!
I had a better experience with the Iphone4 than I do now.
I recognize analog/composite car DVD player might not be the most advanced technology, but I really expected this 'experience' to be backward compatible and useable...by at least producing video, sound, and keeping the phone charged.
 
It isn't that simple, first there's 2 million pixels in a 1080p frame, so just use that directly to simplyfy the equation, Also h.264 and the future standard h.265 use JPEG compression, so each frame is something akin to variable bitrate in audio jargon, also movies are in 24/1001 or 25 fps (not sure of the pulldown on Pal.) so a minute of blu-ray quality frames would take up 48 megabytes, assuming lossless compression, but that's probably off, I'm terrible at calculations, but good at equations. :c

Blu-ray discs, in general, are about 10 Gbytes/hour compressed. The video stream decompressed is around 2000000 * 3 * 24 bytes/sec, assuming 8-bit colors and 24p.
 
Speaking of computers....

Any MacRumors about the *013 Mac Pro that Tim uttered a couple of sentences about last year?

:crickets

Maybe they're being held up by the redesign of the $.49 fan enclosure. :mad:
 
It isn't that simple, first there's 2 million pixels in a 1080p frame, so just use that directly to simplyfy the equation, Also h.264 and the future standard h.265 use JPEG compression, so each frame is something akin to variable bitrate in audio jargon, also movies are in 24/1001 or 25 fps (not sure of the pulldown on Pal.) so a minute of blu-ray quality frames would take up 48 megabytes, assuming lossless compression, but that's probably off, I'm terrible at calculations, but good at equations. :c
Mm, I see. I don't think a minute of BluRay is only 48MB though, that sounds way too little. That would mean each 1080p frame is only 800KBs :p
 
So, baring speculation, does anyone here actually have a HDMI adaptor that they could test for us? I am on the iphone4s and ipad3, so...:eek:
 
hey I have noticed all these new Mac rumor members on here posting all
this hatred bs not to mention factually inaccurate information
some developer already chimed in that output is full 1080p indistinguishable from previous versions.

my question is will you share your contacts for the agency that's has hired you guys to hang out on apple fan boy sites and bash apple with disinformation
I too could use the extra money. because I am trying to get rid of my plastic piece of crap galaxy s3 to buy an iPhone I could put the extra money towards the new phone.
 
This whole lightning adaptor technology is pretty stupid.

Way more complex than it needs to be for only a small benefit.

On another note... I am still questioning the implementation of Thunderbolt. (i.e., ThunderBlunder)
 
This whole lightning adaptor technology is pretty stupid.

Way more complex than it needs to be for only a small benefit.

On another note... I am still questioning the implementation of Thunderbolt. (i.e., ThunderBlunder)

I guess you must have some engineering insight into Apple's technology they are applying to these adapters. I know you have been briefed on all of Apples future plans to why they implemented this technology. To form, your highly educated opinion. Apple is a thoughtful company with some of the best engineers on the planet. one thing can be certain this was not a design that was whipped up randomly. You can knock Apple all you want for their closed ecosystem but the one thing they excel at is engineering design after all the entire android system copied it for their products. Were you one of those people when the iPhone firsts came out running around claiming Apple to be fools to put a touch screen on a phone? " everyone wants a keyboard "
I can assure you the lighting adapter has been in development for over 5 years and there are some very deliberate design choices that went into this interface.
I can also assure you the engineers who developed this product have a lot more knowledge and foresight than the arm chair quarterback on this site so eager to express their opinion
 
I guess you must have some engineering insight into Apple's technology they are applying to these adapters. I know you have been briefed on all of Apples future plans to why they implemented this technology. To form, your highly educated opinion. Apple is a thoughtful company with some of the best engineers on the planet. one thing can be certain this was not a design that was whipped up randomly. You can knock Apple all you want for their closed ecosystem but the one thing they excel at is engineering design after all the entire android system copied it for their products. Were you one of those people when the iPhone firsts came out running around claiming Apple to be fools to put a touch screen on a phone? " everyone wants a keyboard "
I can assure you the lighting adapter has been in development for over 5 years and there are some very deliberate design choices that went into this interface.
I can also assure you the engineers who developed this product have a lot more knowledge and foresight than the arm chair quarterback on this site so eager to express their opinion

OK, we get it - Apple engineers are very smart. Could you - as a user - name a single benefit of having this new adapter other than the fact that the cable may be connected to the devices regardless of plug orientation? Does this compensate for 400% increase in price of HDMI adapter (compared to MHL), poor video quality and pricey cables in general? I suspect that Apple engineers were busy all those 5 years thinking how to achieve this technological marvel.
 
hey I have noticed all these new Mac rumor members on here posting all
this hatred bs not to mention factually inaccurate information
some developer already chimed in that output is full 1080p indistinguishable from previous versions.

my question is will you share your contacts for the agency that's has hired you guys to hang out on apple fan boy sites and bash apple with disinformation
I too could use the extra money. because I am trying to get rid of my plastic piece of crap galaxy s3 to buy an iPhone I could put the extra money towards the new phone.

But some of them aren't new, and they actually use capitalization and punctuation in their posts to make the posts understandable.
 
Isn't this an apple fan site?!!! Why are you here instead enjoying the company of your brethren on an android site?

Because even Apple sites and the associated fanboys need a dose of reality from time to time. How can anyone NOT be disappointed by the cost and (lack of) functionality that lightening has brought?
 
OK, we get it - Apple engineers are very smart. Could you - as a user - name a single benefit of having this new adapter other than the fact that the cable may be connected to the devices regardless of plug orientation? Does this compensate for 400% increase in price of HDMI adapter (compared to MHL), poor video quality and pricey cables in general? I suspect that Apple engineers were busy all those 5 years thinking how to achieve this technological marvel.

Well, for one it doesn't need external power to output to a regular HDMI (non-MHL) display. And there are a lot of MHL adapters that cost more than $9.80, so the 400% figure isn't representative of the entire genre. And are we talking MHL 1.0 or 2.0 adapters? How does the quality of your $9.80 adapter compare to the Apple adapter? Have you done a side by side?
 
I guess you must have some engineering insight into Apple's technology they are applying to these adapters. I know you have been briefed on all of Apples future plans to why they implemented this technology. To form, your highly educated opinion. Apple is a thoughtful company with some of the best engineers on the planet. one thing can be certain this was not a design that was whipped up randomly. You can knock Apple all you want for their closed ecosystem but the one thing they excel at is engineering design after all the entire android system copied it for their products. Were you one of those people when the iPhone firsts came out running around claiming Apple to be fools to put a touch screen on a phone? " everyone wants a keyboard "
I can assure you the lighting adapter has been in development for over 5 years and there are some very deliberate design choices that went into this interface.
I can also assure you the engineers who developed this product have a lot more knowledge and foresight than the arm chair quarterback on this site so eager to express their opinion
Apple is pushing lightning for profits, not for the benefit of the user. I still haven't heard of a practical advantage over the old connector or even traditional usb3 as far as an iOS device is concerned.
 
OK, we get it - Apple engineers are very smart. Could you - as a user - name a single benefit of having this new adapter other than the fact that the cable may be connected to the devices regardless of plug orientation? Does this compensate for 400% increase in price of HDMI adapter (compared to MHL), poor video quality and pricey cables in general? I suspect that Apple engineers were busy all those 5 years thinking how to achieve this technological marvel.

yes it is 80% smaller( which will be very important in future products), Significantly more durable than micro USB or the Apple old 30 pin connectors,
Has adaptive technology also important for future products. What is most disturbing is when people post statements with no real world relevancy
"poor video quality" can you share with the rest of us an objective comparison
of the two technologies. Even a subjective comparison would be nice like a side by side video or are you just talking BS. Have you done a comparison. would you like to share your results like posting the difference in transmission rates which could easily be measured with a modern digital oscilloscope. Maybe you could post zoomed images of compression artifacts? Has any other company been able to produce a bidirectional cable? Ever try to jam a USB cable into a computer blindly close your eyes and try inserting a microusb cable or any other Cable into a device. Now try it with the lightning cable. Would you like to share Apples specs with us on this cable?
 
Apple is pushing lightning for profits, not for the benefit of the user. I still haven't heard of a practical advantage over the old connector or even traditional usb3 as far as an iOS device is concerned.

I hope it is something like Apple maps. Sucks in its present incarnation, but can be very useful in the future should Apple ever get its act together.

I was going through the comments on panic's blog, and this comment seemed quite intriguing.

With USB you have Power/USB/MHL output. Each method requires a specific combination of pins. Updating to a different protocol, support for other devices requires difficult pin sharing (thus hardware modification), support for currently unknown future connections is impossible. If in the future something new appears it won’t work with older USB devices.

With lightning you can connect anything. Similar to thunderbolt it does not use a specific protocol to handle a specific task. It uses a general method to communicate between adapter and iOS device. That way Apple can send anything through this lightning adapter. The adapter itself gets updated automatically because it loads its firmware from the used device. So Apple can send USB2.0, USB3.0, Analog audio, Digital Audio, HDMI and any new standard through it, in theory.

In short, not much use debating it now. We may only see the full ramifications of Apple's actions 5-10 years down the road, and only if events unfold the way Apple envisioned.

Full article here.
http://www.panic.com/blog/2013/03/the-lightning-digital-av-adapter-surprise
 
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