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I would take the design of the lightning adapter over true HDMI out anyday.

What's so good about it? The looks? At 400% higher price than MHL adapter Apple's device manages to deliver worse performance. Is not it amazing? Even more amazing, some people actually like this :p
 
Hence a full-fledged computer requires a CPU, a power source, and RAM. NOTHING ELSE.

That's a nice definition for a "processor".


Your espresso-maker IS NOT a computer because it requires one to function and its purpose is not to make computations, but to make beverages.

Actually, the coffee maker has an ARM CPU and a serial port where you can connect a terminal and interact with the Linux OS. It computes the number of draws, monitors the state of the water tank, bean hopper and waste bin. It notifies you when maintenance or cleaning is needed...


Your network hub IS NOT a computer because it requires one to function (no processor unless standalone in which case, it would be a computer).

That's funny, because it also runs Linux. If you want, you can even replace the OS (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_Firmware).


Your RAID controller card IS NOT a computer because it requires one to function (no processor unless standalone in which case, it would be a computer).

It has an OS, 512 MiB of RAM - even an embedded web server.


Of course, full-fledged is a subjective term and can be argued upon but from a completely literal standpoint, I interpret full-fledged as meaning the most strict definition of computer.

While those devices might not be full-fledged computers, in all technicality they are or very well could be. Though I'm not saying it would be a powerful computer or a computer that could do anything "useful" like we are used to what they do, but in all technicality they are computers.

Subjective is right - and I think that most people would not consider a device with an embedded microprocessor to be a "full-fledged computer". It certainly contains a "computer"....
 
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A device without input devices, output devices or a display is now a "full-fledged computer".

Boggles the mind.

My espresso-maker runs Linux - but I'd never consider it to be a "full-fledged computer".

My Tivo runs PowerPC Linux - but I'd never consider it to be a "full-fledged computer".

My network hub runs Linux - but I'd never consider it to be a "full-fledged computer".

My RAID controller card has a quad core processor and 512 MiB of RAM - but I'd never consider it to be a "full-fledged computer".


The cable has both an input and output.
 
Apple is known to understate the tech behind the products they sell. We'll probably see its full potential in the coming years.

... but not at video playback, I'm afraid... you just can't make it mysteriously work at a much higher data rate (to allow for uncompressed HDMI data rates - around 2 Gbps for 1080p60), at least not on current hardware.

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You made me think of something. Ok, since lightning lacks enough connectors to stream raw 1080p in a sufficient time, couldn't they just include a flash storage for buffer in future adapters? This way there's a delay before the content is displayed, but at least the HDMI source would be uncompressed. Idk

I haven't handled this adapter yet so I don't know if it has two modes:

- receiving the MP4 (mov / m4v) file (that is, an iOS-native video file) as is (verbatim), buffering it and decoding itself, resulting in the best possible video quality

- simple mirroring for everything else, meaning the iPad compresses the video stream and sends it over to the adapter, which, in turn, decompresses it. (Directly programming the TV output is done exactly the same way - while, then, the ATV doesn't actively mirror the screen, there is compression involved. This is why many current multimedia players for iOS manage to utilize almost the entire screen width on the screen but still have inferior framerate and resolution compared to playing back iOS-native files or playing back over (pre-Ligthning) VGA / HDMI adapters)

These two modes are the default on the Apple TV. If Apple was smart enough, they allowed for the former too, not only the latter. However, the former requires at least some storage buffer so that at least a part of the MP4 file can be pre-buffered. Assuming the MP4 file is streaming-optimized, even a 80-100 Mbyte buffer would work, assuming the iPad continues to transfer the file during video playback all the time. With unoptimized files, much larger buffers are needed. (I've published a lot of dedicated optimized vs. unoptimized benchmarks for both the ATV and plain iPads - I can provide you with some links if interested.)
 
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I can only help but laugh....Gotta Love Apple !!! Honestly I cant wait until the day comes when I can throw out my stupid cable box and finally interact with my television without having to use a stupid infrared remote control for everything. Keep up the good work Cupertino :D
 
A Raspberry Pi costs 1/3 of that, it can run XBMC (supporting Airplay streaming, local and network based media playback, Netflix, Youtube & many other plugins, it recently added live TV support too).

It also has USB ports that can actually be used by mere mortals whiteout needing to invalidate a warranty to connect a disk full of videos or photos.

The Pi also has games & apps right NOW, not in some fictional future where your dreams have come true & Apple add features without adding hardware tweaks to lock out older devices.

The Apple TV is a nice looking brick, but other devices are better value & more flexible.

Except the raspberry pi is a kit project and barely marketed as a complete consumer product. As for games... Don't even try. Linux is not even in the same universe of simplicity and ease of use as a console or Apple ios device. Obviously superior tech and cheapness isn't enough. Get some standards that work for the majority of consumer uses and the Linux stuff could do much better. But there's little unification in that land. It's not for lack of capability.
 
From the conjecture in the comments it is rather clear today's average consumer is technically inferior to those of just 10 years ago, never mind 20 years ago.

Not a single conjecture about gate logic, what sort of memory branching is on the chip, etc. Sad.
 
Computer Engineer definition of a computer:

1. Bus
2. I/O
3. Processor
4. Memory

OS not required.. but likely
 
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"Why do this crazy thing at all? All we can figure is that the small number of Lightning pins prevented them from doing raw HDMI period, and the elegance of the adapter trumped the need for traditional video out, so someone had to think seriously out of the box. Or maybe they want get as much functionality out of the iPad as possible to reduce cost and complexity."

Or maybe Apple likes to create new interfaces so that they can drive obsolescence and make more money on new equipment and new complicated cables. Apple has a very long history of doing exactly this. It makes Apple very Not-Green.
 
Well, there have been numerous cases Apple was caught for blatantly lying. (Just one example: "You're holding it wrong" at the same time of posting job ads for antenna / wireless engineers and posting (and then silently removing) videos "proving" the phones of other phone manufacturers also have "death of grip".) I wouldn't trust them when the Panic guys have posted at least one screenshot clearly showing the video stream is recompressed.

That's not lying. Other phones did have a "death grip". It was just not in an important area.

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A Raspberry Pi costs 1/3 of that, it can run XBMC (supporting Airplay streaming, local and network based media playback, Netflix, Youtube & many other plugins, it recently added live TV support too).

It also has USB ports that can actually be used by mere mortals whiteout needing to invalidate a warranty to connect a disk full of videos or photos.

The Pi also has games & apps right NOW, not in some fictional future where your dreams have come true & Apple add features without adding hardware tweaks to lock out older devices.

The Apple TV is a nice looking brick, but other devices are better value & more flexible.

*Googles Raspberry Pi*
Linux... Probably a pain in the butt.
*Closes window and discounts*
 
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You're confusing Lightning and Thunderbolt.

Thunderbolt is more or less an external PCIe lane. Lighting is a unique (and rather unusual), completely reconfigruable bus with wildly different (currently much slower) specs and (more flexible) behavior.

This is somewhat more akin to the USB-video adapters you can buy on the cheap, but really appears to be the closest to a hardware codec box.

Thunder and lightning, very very frightening!
 
My sons Android tablet has an HDMI socket on the side of it and streams 1080p superbly. £85 too √ Going to be getting myself a 10' version when the new quad core model is released next month in Hong Kong.
 
What a POS

Can't even do 1080p?? And the video quality is complete garbage. Way to go Apple, charge $49 for a piece of crap. Lightning is such crap.
 
A Raspberry Pi costs 1/3 of that, it can run XBMC (supporting Airplay streaming, local and network based media playback, Netflix, Youtube & many other plugins, it recently added live TV support too).

It also has USB ports that can actually be used by mere mortals whiteout needing to invalidate a warranty to connect a disk full of videos or photos.

The Pi also has games & apps right NOW, not in some fictional future where your dreams have come true & Apple add features without adding hardware tweaks to lock out older devices.

The Apple TV is a nice looking brick, but other devices are better value & more flexible.

Raspberry Pi

Give me a break, then you buy a case, then you buy a SD card, then a keyboard. Add shipping cost, after all is said and done you saved maybe $20. Then you get to install AirPlay + XBMC. XBMC works pretty well, I will give you that, but AirPlay? AirPlay will work for about 2-3 songs when streaming Audio, then it crashes because it can't keep the audio synced. Sorry that is not worth saving $20.
 
Just because you don't understand why something was done doesn't meant it's stupid.

In stripping down the iPad to focus on what it does rather than what a few users might do with it, HDMI support was understandably neglected. Since some users need wired HDMI, paying $50 for an adapter is not unreasonable (heck, I paid that just taking the family out to breakfast & dinner yesterday). Maybe they could make a dedicated solution cheaper, but a tiny box capable of on-demand updates for any all-software solution was cheap and easy. Why so much RAM? why such a processor? at their volumes that may be a wise choice, leveraging the supply chain rather than finding yet another nonstandard solution to work in.

Hah, for my purposes the lightning connector is a downgrade to the 30 pin. It would be so lovely if apple would use standard ports though.
 
My sons Android tablet has an HDMI socket on the side of it and streams 1080p superbly. £85 too √ Going to be getting myself a 10' version when the new quad core model is released next month in Hong Kong.

I'm absolutely sure it won't be under 140$ (at least now the quad 10" noname Chinese tablets cost that much). And it'll only be XGA - the cheapest Retina model is $250 and it isn't really a speedking (see the reports at XDA-Devs). Then, better go for the Nexus 10 with proper warranty and OS.

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It would be so lovely if apple would use standard ports though.

They'll never do that. Imagine: people would purchase $2 standard microHDMI cables instead of Apple's cr@p at at least twenty times the money... Apple would never let THAT. Low-framerare, lowish-res, blocky video playback or mirroring? Doesn't matter, the point is to milk the cow (the customers) as effectively as possible, quality can suffer.

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That's not lying. Other phones did have a "death grip". It was just not in an important area.

Some of them did - but certainly to a much less degree. No wonder Apple silently removed their ads "proving" other phones also have the death grip after first denying the entire thing and lying to their customers "you're holding it wrong".
 
re: cheap memory

Well, to be fair though, lower density RAM is by far the cheapest because everyone is only interested in the higher capacities these days.

They probably can get ahold of 256MB chips for practically nothing these days, since new laptop owners are saying, "Hey... I need nothing smaller than a couple of 8GB chips to upgrade this thing!" and so forth.


Goes to show how cheap memory is, please let the next ipad come with 2 gigs.
 
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