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Hmm... YMMV, but I've had more trouble with USB-C than Lightning.
USB-C unplugs more easily but lightning cables break far more easily, probably because they do not unplug easily. The original MagSafe was developed because tightly-plugged laptop cables failed constantly, in addition to easily pulling laptops to the floor.

The fact that USB-C unplugs so much more easily is probably why Apple quit MagSafe for a time with the USB-C laptops.
 
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From M1 to M2 to M3 and now M4 we’ve gotten 15-20% performance boosts each time. Thats very respectable and nothing to apologize for. You want to go back to Intel when people thought it was great if they got 5% performance boosts?
Kudos to Qualcomm that they’ve managed to come out with their first iteration of the snapdragon X Elite and manage to outperform even the M4 in certain ways. I’m curious to see what the second generation will do and how long it will take to develop them. Also this chip is still on 4nm. How will it perform on 3 nm and beyond? And how is it possible that the X Elite is so cheap? Is the M4 also that cheap to produce?
 
USB-C unplugs more easily but lightning cables break far more easily, probably because they do not unplug easily. The original MagSafe was developed because tightly-plugged laptop cables failed constantly, in addition to easily pulling laptops to the floor.
My OEM Lightning cables don't break, but for all plugs I always pull by the plug and not the cable.

My original iBook and PowerBook power cables didn't break either, but again, I would pull by the plug and not the cable.

Kudos to Qualcomm that they’ve managed to come out with their first iteration of the snapdragon X Elite and manage to outperform even the M4 in certain ways.
Yep, they managed to get that power up to 100 W! ;)

 
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The 32 inch “chinless” iMac Pro has to be coming… In no way is the 24 inch model an upgrade over the 27 inch model. I have 40GB of RAM and 5 TB of SSD in mine, and you can’t even get close to that with the 24 inch model.
I personally think that an iMac with bigger screen is a waste of money. The chip will get outdated pretty quick as with the other inner parts. Unless you can’t easily replace certain parts of the computer (it’s Apple: all will be soldered and glued together) or easily replace the motherboard with a newer one… I won’t buy it.

If Apple was really as involved with the environment as they say, their computers would be easily upgradable and fixable for everyone. Hypocrites 😡
 
The 32 inch “chinless” iMac Pro has to be coming… In no way is the 24 inch model an upgrade over the 27 inch model. I have 40GB of RAM and 5 TB of SSD in mine, and you can’t even get close to that with the 24 inch model.

Apple's explicitly stated replacement for the iMac 27" is the Mac Studio. Currently Max RAM 192GB and Max SSD capacity 8TB. ( 95GB RAM is stop at a Max. )

the iMac 24" is not suppose to be a replacement for the 27" model. Apple clearly still sold the 27" model after the 24" M-series one launched. So not a replacement.


A "chinless" IMac is quite unlikely. First, the 24" model has to have a chin because that is where the main components have to go because the overall system is so thin. Have iPad like thinness. If Apple copies the same design language for the 32" iMac as the smaller imac ( something they have done every previous iteration) then the iMac Pro would get 'thinned out". That would push more electronics into the 'chin'. If push more material there it is going to be hard to make it go away.

The only way the chin disappears in the 32" model is if Apple goes in a completely different direction and make the iMac radically thicker. A complete 180 shift from the 24" version's approach.

[ The 'chin' disappears from the Studio Display and XDR , but at best computationally you have an A13 in there. The No where near the thermals of a Mn Pro (or larger ) SoC .

Apple could re-use the iMac Pro 2017 chassis, but that does have a chin. That would be the path to avoid the 'reinventing the wheel' path through industrial design. ]

Apple would need a proportionately bigger chin to fit a Mn Pro or possibly Mn Max SoC into it.


Apple already has the "Mini Pro" and Mac Studio Max/Ultra. They are not really in the "has to be coming" zone.
There is a robust and competitive 32" discrete display market.

And if Apple is going to drift toward tandem-OLEDs there really isn't a mature (or at least long term contract viable) display to shift toward. If Apple did do an 32" iMac they'd probably stick with the same panel for 5-7 years . Right now their target long term tech is in flux. No long term panel means no iMac.

[ there is a 24" iMac, but it is riding an 'old tech' for the panel. It has also skipped the M2 to ride old tech longer also. The screen in likely not going anywhere for a couple of years at least even as rest of the line up changes. ]
 
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My OEM Lightning cables don't break, but for all plugs I always pull by the plug and not the cable.
Definitely the proper way to do it. Way back I recall people telling others they should not pull cords out by the cable, but by the plug or head for the very same reasons you shouldn’t do it today with accessory cables.
 
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The 32 inch “chinless” iMac Pro has to be coming…
Would be sweet except for the price. Such a machine would easily be $7000 base, loading it with all the BTO options would double that.

This kind of ultra-prosumer machine would have a limited market. Folks needing the screen, performance, and specs enough to justify a $14k+ machine aren't going to consider an iMac.

IMO if Apple re-released a 27" with M4 internals and available memory/storage that we had before, they could get a lot of folks hanging onto their 27" Intels to upgrade. Esp. if base pricing is comparable to what the Intels were.
 
At minimum put the Apple logo back on front. Shows it's a computer and an Apple.

Right now the front just looks like a $100 PC monitor.

Agree, the small iMac isn’t pretty.
I guess we have to get used to it from now on.
Cook isn’t a designer and those with best competence have left.
So this is what they offer these days - they are obviously not that proud of those Mac’s, as the logo isn’t shown on the front.

Honestly, I don't want 27". I'd much rather have a two-tier system of 24" and 5K 29".

As for the logo, the Apple Studio Display has no front logo, but it looks great, because it has no chin at all.

The ASD have a great logo on the backside though.
 
First, the 24" model has to have a chin because that is where the main components have to go because the overall system is so thin. Have iPad like thinness.
Why does a desktop need iPad thinness? (Directed at Apple not you.)

Not saying we need to return to Macintosh II cases. But a few mm thicker for practical reasons wouldn't hurt anyone.
 
The ASD have a great logo on the backside though.
So does the iMac.

iMac:

refurb-imac-24-silver-2021_AV1.jpeg


Studio Display:

studio-display-tilt-witb-202203.jpeg
 
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I hope we get a 32" iMac but something tells me they want us to pay for the separate ASD and an iMac Mini to get that so won't give a cheaper option.
 
Apple's explicitly stated replacement for the iMac 27" is the Mac Studio. Currently Max RAM 192GB and Max SSD capacity 8TB. ( 95GB RAM is stop at a Max. )

the iMac 24" is not suppose to be a replacement for the 27" model. Apple clearly still sold the 27" model after the 24" M-series one launched. So not a replacement.


A "chinless" IMac is quite unlikely. First, the 24" model has to have a chin because that is where the main components have to go because the overall system is so thin. Have iPad like thinness. If Apple copies the same design language for the 32" iMac as the smaller imac ( something they have done every previous iteration) then the iMac Pro would get 'thinned out". That would push more electronics into the 'chin'. If push more material there it is going to be hard to make it go away.

The only way the chin disappears in the 32" model is if Apple goes in a completely different direction and make the iMac radically thicker. A complete 180 shift from the 24" version's approach.

[ The 'chin' disappears from the Studio Display and XDR , but at best computationally you have an A13 in there. The No where near the thermals of a Mn Pro (or larger ) SoC .

Apple could re-use the iMac Pro 2017 chassis, but that does have a chin. That would be the path to avoid the 'reinventing the wheel' path through industrial design. ]

Apple would need a proportionately bigger chin to fit a Mn Pro or possibly Mn Max SoC into it.


Apple already has the "Mini Pro" and Mac Studio Max/Ultra. They are not really in the "has to be coming" zone.
There is a robust and competitive 32" discrete display market.

And if Apple is going to drift toward tandem-OLEDs there really isn't a mature (or at least long term contract viable) display to shift toward. If Apple did do an 32" iMac they'd probably stick with the same panel for 5-7 years . Right now their target long term tech is in flux. No long term panel means no iMac.

[ there is a 24" iMac, but it is riding an 'old tech' for the panel. It has also skipped the M2 to ride old tech longer also. The screen in likely not going anywhere for a couple of years at least even as rest of the line up changes. ]
This is entirely too long to read, so I’m sorry that happened to you, or I’m glad that happened to you.
 
I personally think that an iMac with bigger screen is a waste of money. The chip will get outdated pretty quick as with the other inner parts. Unless you can’t easily replace certain parts of the computer (it’s Apple: all will be soldered and glued together) or easily replace the motherboard with a newer one… I won’t buy it.

If Apple was really as involved with the environment as they say, their computers would be easily upgradable and fixable for everyone. Hypocrites 😡
Non-replaceable processor? How is that different from any other iMac that has come out in the last 10 years?
 
Non-replaceable processor? How is that different from any other iMac that has come out in the last 10 years?
If Apple was serious about the environment it would let users replace te motherboard or parts of it with newer chips, ssd, ram etc. It’s all about the money.
 
If Apple was serious about the environment it would let users replace te motherboard or parts of it with newer chips, ssd, ram etc. It’s all about the money.

Or just abandon the iMac concept entirely and keep monitors and Macs separate.
Non-replaceable processor? How is that different from any other iMac that has come out in the last 10 years?

This is an argument against iMacs in general. If you are going to buy a monitor bigger than 24 inches, you will probably want to keep it longer than your CPU will last, and so should not get an iMac.
 
I personally think that an iMac with bigger screen is a waste of money. The chip will get outdated pretty quick as with the other inner parts. Unless you can’t easily replace certain parts of the computer (it’s Apple: all will be soldered and glued together) or easily replace the motherboard with a newer one… I won’t buy it.

If Apple was really as involved with the environment as they say, their computers would be easily upgradable and fixable for everyone. Hypocrites 😡
I was never interested in an imac cause I found it crazy to throw away the fully working display only because the integrated computer is too outdated. But isn’t it similar with the MacBooks?
 
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I honestly hate how Apple has crippled the iMac. It used to be a machine used by a lot of professionals in the creative industry. Nowadays, you just have to either go with a MBP or some overpriced Studio setup. I also absolutely despise how Apple produced an excellent iMac hardware with 5K and 4K screens, most of which cannot be used as secondary displays with THEIR OWN machines!

Then they talk about ecology. Sure!
 
If nothing else, I'd love if they fiddle with the colours a little. I'd bought a yellow M1 for my son and I don't love the metallic yellow they used on the back and on the accessories. I think it would be better if it had a tinge more orange in it. It's currently a green gold in person vs. a richer gold colour. It looks better in Apple's photography, where it's obviously been adjusted.
 
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Would be sweet except for the price. Such a machine would easily be $7000 base, loading it with all the BTO options would double that.

There are fair number of foks who advocate strongly for an "large screen" iMac who assume that Apple is going to give them the 32" screen 'for free' or 'almost free'. The 32" iMac will cost maybe $100=200 more than what a Mac Studio with equivalent internals costs.

Folks looking for something like the XDR size and resolution/color for about the same prices or less , but with a Mn Pro (or better) computer inside.

Mostly it is based on the initial pricing for Dell 5K displays being very high and Apple attaching a lower price to bundle it with a mid range desktop components. Around $2K for the computer and get a 'display' for free.

For a long time Apple pushed the Mini and Mac Pro out of the way to herd more folks into buying 27" panels from them. The Mni was gimped and the entry price of the Mac Pro pushed into the $3,000 up range. That left the $1,700 - $2,700 range free range for the iMac to dominate as about the only option. Need a decent dGPU and have less than $3,000 ... well you have to buy the iMac.

By the time the iMac Pro came around the Mac Pro was also kneecapped on performance as they left the specs at 2013 (or earlier ) for the CPU. Again if needed something in the 4-5K range that had a modern CPU in it .... users were herded into the choice which had side effect of keeping the 5K panel volume sales higher.

When the MP 2019 (better GPU options) and iMac 2020 (faster CPU options for single and modest threaded workloads) came out the iMac Pro 2017 largely disappear without much complaining.

If the large screen iMac leaves the $1,700-2,700 the number folks who will want it will be less. It is about as much of of price point issue ( getting some 'bargain' for the screen) as it is 'all-in-one' feature priority. You don't have to even get to $4K before a large fraction of this crowd is going groan that there isn't a 'replacement'.
[ similar to the Mac Pro going up 100% in entry level price. The folks that wanted a #2,500-3,500 system didn't see that as a replacement either. ] Apple has lots of customers who are stuck in some pretty rigid pricing expecations.

That isn't very surprising since Apple mostly has large stuck to the same prices for most systems over the years. (in US dollar terms and periodic adjustments for inflation. ) The MP was a case where the just dropped a market subsegment on purpose. ( Apple is only really doing that at the outer edges of the zone. )

This kind of ultra-prosumer machine would have a limited market. Folks needing the screen, performance, and specs enough to justify a $14k+ machine aren't going to consider an iMac.

The buik of iMac Pro sales were not in anything close to that zone. Even $7K is a bit of a stretch.

IMO if Apple re-released a 27" with M4 internals and available memory/storage that we had before, they could get a lot of folks hanging onto their 27" Intels to upgrade. Esp. if base pricing is comparable to what the Intels were.

There was absolutely no equivalent to the Mini Pro during the vast bulk of the Intel 27" 5K era. There 27" iMac faced very , very minimal fratricidal Mac competition. There was no "replacement" Mac Studio Max class to compete with at all ( headless iMac with same CPU/GPU combo).

The estimates of the number the hard core "all-in-one only" hold outs is likely high. A fair number of folks were herded into the iMacs when it wasn't their preferred choice in the first place. The hard core modular memory folks probably don't see much of a difference between M1,2, 3, or 4. Hard core native Bootcamp to Windows folks ... nope.

A plain M4 is going to leave some folks behind also.

M4 Pro ( or higher) means the floor of Apple priced memory goes up. Cranking up the Apple memory and hitting the old iMac pricing isn't likely going to happen.

And frankly once the volume unit sales of the old 5K goes significantly down the bill-of-material costs for even those 'old tech' panels isn't going to be lower either. (the Studio Display isn't sagging in costs. ) . Once the screen isn't included 'free' you are going to loose some of those Intel hold outs. There is lots of folks there latched onto the 'sunk costs' of their current screen and/or the notion of getting a bargain for a new one. No bargian/free screen they aren't coming. What they really want are subsidized screens. That is basically over.
 
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I’m not coding or writing complex docs on my phone screen and virtual keyboard my dude
Who says you'll have to type? Just speak and what you want will appear. Or better yet, wire your brain directly. Or, wire the muscles of your forearm and fingers and invent a better way of drawing/inputting.
 
Mac desktops are way down the list of priorities for Apple. And Apple (under Tim Cook) sometimes forgets about them for years. A classic example, the mac mini was totally ignored for just under 5 years, and they were still selling them at the release day price! The current iMac is a total waste being a disposal unit. I wish people would stop buying these machines to send a message to Apple, but I guess colours more important.
 
Or just abandon the iMac concept entirely and keep monitors and Macs separate.


This is an argument against iMacs in general. If you are going to buy a monitor bigger than 24 inches, you will probably want to keep it longer than your CPU will last, and so should not get an iMac.

OK, guess I’ll just throw out my perfectly usable 27 inch 2017 iMac. 🙄
 
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