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Looking forward to seeing the new M5 chip and MacBook. Though not going to happen, it will be good if there is a base M5 chip for the 16". Don't know whether there will be a new color.
 
Well, it's already the day after tomorrow. When's the next Rapture?
I've got an 16" M1 Pro Max, and I'll stick with it. If Apple bumps the max ram on the Mini to 128 GB, that's my next purchase.
 
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“Can I buy one of the. new MacBook Pros please ”
“Yes the m5 14” sir “
“I’d like a bigger screen please “
“Yes sir that our 16” m4 sir”
“So it an old chip”
LEAVES THE STORE
 
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People forget that the new design will be "thinner" which will very likely mean lower quality speakers and less battery life. And a slightly better display is not worth that, at least for me. So I'll definitely get the 16" M5 Pro.
 
Apart from the M5 chip, I guess this will be a 'only buy if it's time for a new entry level MBP' year.

Also I guess:

N1 chip? (less power consumption, will work better with Apple items with BT - and wifi 7!).

Umm that's it?

I don't think we'll get cellular until a redesign.

I guess we'll find out in a few hours.
 
Oh, this reminds me of the discussion about the 13" MacBook Pro. 'Why is it called "Pro"?'
It means you are only allowed to own one if you are a Fellow of a professional association. Don't worry, it's easy to gather together a few mates and start the American Society of Specialist Hardware Acquisition Technicians so you can have the letters after your name.

Or maybe it's just because Apple chose to write "MacBook Pro" in large, friendly letters on the box. People really need to stop trying to ascribe any meaning - or indeed sense - to "pro" in a product name. Otherwise, you'll start asking awkward questions like why the base MacBook Pro doesn't have at least a "Mx Pro" processor, why no version of the "Mac Pro" has a "Mx Pro" chip or whether it's ok to use a Mac Studio Ultra for "professional" work.

Would it make more sense to call the low-end MacBook Pro just the "MacBook"? Probably, from a technical point of view, but I guess that from a marketing point of view that would be a "downgrade". Plus, back in 2016 when the distinction between the low-end, 2-TB-port 13" and the touch/4-port 13" really became obvious, they were using "MacBook" for the 12". Maybe they'll dust-off the "just MacBook" name for the rumoured A18 MacBook Air.
 
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If you're not in serious need of a new MacBook Pro, 2025 is a bad time to upgrade. The next-generation MacBook Pro after the late 2025/early 2026 models is expected to feature an OLED display, which will mark a major upgrade in display quality.

This is evergreen advice though. I almost certainly will upgrade as coming from an M2 MacBook Air I finally need more power (will likely wait for the Max or Pro version though) and also want the SD card slot that’s missing on the Air. When travelling I usually just bring my ipad pro with magic keyboard. I’ve cancelled my Nvidia DGX Spark pre order in favour of building a serious deep learning workstation with a 96GB Blackwell GPU. This means having a laptop capable of proper local AI becomes worthwhile. Especially as the DGX Spark is basically a MacBook Pro without a screen 9and about as pricey).

I find people who constantly upgrade rather odd. Unless you are currently hitting performance bottlenecks it’s just bragging rights and honestly, who cares?

Also surprised by people who are disappointed that it’s not a major design upgrade. The current design is great as a power user laptop. Touch screen is of limited use if you cannot angle the screen back a lot whilst also giving it proper support (although I will admit that since switching to my ipad for the majority of casual use I do find myself poking the MacBook screen out of habit).
 
Can we expect a price drop of the M4 Pro and Max versions of the current lineup?
Guess :)

It will be interesting to see how the regular M5 compares with the M4 Pro use - whether the faster single-core performance outstrips the M4 Pro's extra cores & memory bandwidth. I suspect that the M5 will be faster than M4 Pro on some single-threaded tasks.

However, choosing an Mx Pro or Max rather than a base Mx has always been about whether your particular workflow would actually use those extra CPU and GPU cores, or actually need the extra RAM.
 
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It will be interesting to see how the regular M5 compares with the M4 Pro use - whether the faster single-core performance outstrips the M4 Pro's extra cores & memory bandwidth. I suspect that the M5 will be faster than M4 Pro on some single-threaded tasks.

It certainly will.

iPad Pro leaked benchmarks suggest a single-core score around 4,139. That's 12.1% over the iPad Pro M4's 3,692 right there — before we get to the big boosts especially in the GPU.

Presumably, the e-cores have also gotten better. This is very hard to measure: how much faster does the overall system "feel" because more tasks can run on the e-cores, and because those tasks will finish faster?

And then the question, as always, is: how many tasks you do actually make good use of many CPU cores. For example, Xcode will build 53% slower on an M4 compared to an M4 Pro. That's in line with Geekbench, too; its M4's multicore score is 52% worse than the M4 Pro's. But not only will that gap be smaller when comparing the M5 and M4 Pro; you also have to ask yourself how much time you're truly spending building code (or, similarly, performing heavily multithreaded tasks).

People still overestimate how much stuff is multithreaded at all. That's why it's great Apple keeps pushing the single-core perf; everyone automatically benefits.

However, choosing an Mx Pro or Max rather than a base Mx has always been about whether your particular workflow would actually use those extra CPU and GPU cores, or actually need the extra RAM.

Indeed!

Given that Apple has apparently decided to release the M5 about half a year earlier than the M5 Pro/Max (whatever the reason), or perhaps that the M5 Pro/Max aren't coming at all, there will be a period where people should consider if the M5 is good enough.

And the M4 already goes up to 32 GiB RAM. That's a decent configuration even for some higher-level uses (though for me, I want my next Mac to have more). Perhaps the M5 even goes to 36 or 48.

Most people, even professionals, will get a plenty powerful Mac with the M5 MacBook Pro.
 
If you're not in serious need of a new MacBook Pro, 2025 is a bad time to upgrade. The next-generation MacBook Pro after the late 2025/early 2026 models is expected to feature an OLED display, which will mark a major upgrade in display quality.

I would argue the opposite. It's a good time to upgrade for this exact reason. While others can deal with getting the kinks of a new design sorted out (does it have heating issues? Does the display have lamination issues? Does the paint chip? Etc.), you're instead getting a rock-solid, fast, compact machine whose design has been tested in the real world for four years.

I've had this experience with Mac laptops multiple times. Nvidia GPU chips that stop working. A display cable that disconnects. That sort of thing. The M5 MacBook Pro is unlikely to have any of that; it's a tried and true design.
 
I would argue the opposite. It's a good time to upgrade for this exact reason. While others can deal with getting the kinks of a new design sorted out (does it have heating issues? Does the display have lamination issues? Does the paint chip? Etc.), you're instead getting a rock-solid, fast, compact machine whose design has been tested in the real world for four years.

I've had this experience with Mac laptops multiple times. Nvidia GPU chips that stop working. A display cable that disconnects. That sort of thing. The M5 MacBook Pro is unlikely to have any of that; it's a tried and true design.

Good point, but in that case you’d be better off going for an Apple refurbed M4. Unless you’re in very specific industries, the M chips are so fast that most people wouldn’t notice any difference between generations.
 
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I would argue the opposite. It's a good time to upgrade for this exact reason. While others can deal with getting the kinks of a new design sorted out (does it have heating issues? Does the display have lamination issues? Does the paint chip? Etc.), you're instead getting a rock-solid, fast, compact machine whose design has been tested in the real world for four years.

I've had this experience with Mac laptops multiple times. Nvidia GPU chips that stop working. A display cable that disconnects. That sort of thing. The M5 MacBook Pro is unlikely to have any of that; it's a tried and true design.

This 1,000%. You’re getting a mature model with many of the kinks worked out already. While not a guarantee your machine will be flawless, there’s a higher probability it’ll be flawless.

Personally, I’m getting a decent spec 14” m5 MacBook Pro with nano texture. This is going to be the best machine I’ll have bought in my life and I intend to enjoy it throughly.
 
"The transition to OLED will also likely bring a design update along with M6 chip technology, which is another reason to wait."

I'm excited for the new display but vary of the possible design changes. For me the current design has been rock solid, really the best MacBook has ever been and rumours are that they are again going for slimmer design next. I still have the 16" M1 Pro and have had no temptations to upgrade. Let's wait and see I guess.
 
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