The irony is that with that mobile GPU they still have terrible heat dissipation.
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Seems this has been a problem since the G5s, which had desktop GPUs but were also bigger to account for it. My immediate family gave up on iMacs long ago. My last one (2006 24") cooked its GPU to death. Really awesome 24" screen by the day's standards, slightly better than all those crap 1080p screens everyone still sells today, gone to waste.
I love my '08 Mac Pro, and my brother loves his '09 Mac Pro.
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I wouldn't disagree. It's form over function. It seems it doesn't matter what compromises must be made on functionality or performance as long as it looks good and doesn't make any fan noise.
Yeah. I'd agree with reducing fan noise since noise is actually distracting, but it's frustrating that they're making it so thin at such costs (mobile parts, soldered-in RAM, running hot, etc).
[doublepost=1460410107][/doublepost]For laptops it will 100% be the Polaris 11 chips from AMD as Nvidia will not be launching anything that small or power efficient, 123mm 14nm. iMacs may get Polaris 10.the Mac Pro is the only computer I am interested in...
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The Tonga chips in current iMac are fairly efficient, and the 14nm chips promise 2.5x performance per watt.
AMD reliability is a joke. And their chips always are louder than Nvidia's, and for the most case run hotter too. There's a reason why majority of people pick Nvidia over AMD.
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And yet none of this matters because apple will still put mid-range laptop GPU's into 1500$ computers...
We can dream they care and read this. far fetched I know. given the electronic anorexia kick they are on.
More I think about it the more they missed the boat here. When optical drive was pulled from the MB(P) frames in the switch from 2011 to 2012 this could have been a good time to at least try funky things. Dvd drive pulled so more room for bigger better card that should have the space and air amount to run decent. Maybe some nice fan setup where the slot used to be for CD/DVD. they want to innovate, innovate those fans.
Maybe some hope. Apple obviously dug up 5 parts, sure they have a few 11 model shells in storage as well maybe. use them...try this idea out...could be nice.
I genuinely suggest educating yourself. At this moment there are no differences in that between both companies and their GPUs in the same thermal envelopes.
Reason why people pick Nvidia over AMD is Reality Distortion Field that Nvidia creates with their software. Hardware is much worse than AMD. It is at least two years behind. Ask any game developer about this. Go to any technological forum, especially Anandtech, Guru3D. All this has been discussed for over 8 months there.
How is a history of driver issues a reality distortion field?
I will grant on paper AMD/Radeon has the better specs for arguments sake. Not a slave to benchmarks and not partial to pixel peeping (which is odd, I do photography as a serious hobby but I don't go ape crap with 100%+ crops to tear apart a picture).
Thing is...great hardware where drivers are a crap shoot to some is factor in not favoring them. Can have the fast sleek sexy car and go oh hell yeah!. When its in for repairs more often than not it gets old. Been there. As a fast car owner I beat on a track. And a radeon owner in the past. Before and after AMD acquisition. They had 2 chances. What the terms of the acquisition were I do not recall. Stop making drivers like computer based russian roulette was not among the terms.
It is history. Have you used AMD hardware lately and their drivers, lately? Have you heard about Low-Level APIs, and how they work? Do you know why for VR is important that your application drives the hardware, not the software between the hardware and application(drivers) controls both of them?
Software from AMD has caught up. Hardware from Nvidia did the same? That is the reason why having hardware 2 years ahead is important. Because your software can catch up. Hardware - can not.
The VR that isn't coming to apple anytime soon? Since nothing in apple's lineup can push it. That and not sold on VR tbh. Also will factor in based on how I handle certain things I'd almost guarantee I'd be in the population that VR makes feel ill real fast.
And no I have not tried them lately. Fooled me once, shame on you. Filled me twice, shame on me.
1 try before merger (yes I remember a radeon that was independent), 1 try after (said well maybe as in all mergers the house cleanings that result may have cleared things up). SSDD was the result .
How I buy things is I don't give many chances when declared production ready. Be version 0.x, you get all the breaks in the world. Done my share of beta's....want logs, I give em up. Want reports more detailed than stuff doesn't work, I can do that.
Stamped production ready, Charge me 400ish+ have me go wth is this a company doesn't get the understanding beta tester. I am picky with my money and my vendors....they mess it up I take my business elsewhere.
When in 2 dealings a company the best thing I can says well their RMA process is outstanding they don't get 3 tries.
AMD/Radeon in short gave themselves bad press. This doesn't clear up. Especially when it lingered for years. Happy to hear drivers are stable now since it makes you happy (makes you happy have at it). Are you happy it took several years to get here though? They finally got it right in 2015/2016...if a startup from 3 years ago I'd say great. Radeon is not a startup though, quite long in the tooth as tech companies go these days.
So why do you comment about current state of AMD when your experience is from several years in the past? I mean: YEARS.
Nothing gives you permission to state your point of current state of AMD. You can only talk how it was in far past. In your experience.
Yes, VR is coming to Apple. Sooner than anyone thinks.
Nothing gives you permission to state your point of current state of AMD. You can only talk how it was in far past. In your experience.
Yes, VR is coming to Apple. Sooner than anyone thinks.
I would say Apple does this as a point of differentiation in their products. Apple want us to have a reason to buy each of their products. Each product has a unique feature or two. Making no product perfect but no product bad either. I think for the current point in time Apple want Siri to be the point of difference that the iOS devices have.
Differentiate the iOS devices from the Macs? That doesn't make much sense. And it opens up an opportunity for Amazon and others to put voice activated devices in homes. But maybe they want us to switch our Macs for iPads. Hmm. Still seems like a missed opportunity if Apple doesn't do this with their Macs soon.
I guess so. iMacs are not 'THE' machines anymore for the creative content makers. The place where it all started lightyears ago. iMacs are for consumers these days. i dont see any point to upgrade my 2011 iMac to a new one while i can get a much better configured PC. So, i can see something will merge into tablets in the future. Like a 20" tablet with a mounting, so its a iMac when you want it to be a iMac, and its a Tablet when you pick it of the foot.
You can't buy a PC all in one computer that is better than an iMac though, right? I mean there is nothing in the PC world that provides a 4k or 5k screen as good as an iMac at a similar price, right? If you go PC, you can get a great tower holding some huge specs, but it will have a fairly loud fan, right? And the 5k monitor is going to cost a lot. At least this what I've seen last time I look around at PCs. But that was six months ago or even more. Maybe 5k monitors have come down in price.
something will be out soon sort of like this...
http://maingear.com/custom/desktops/alpha-34/index.php
Not 5k that I can see...but not all need it. And the usual bit even 4k viewed at the wrong distances is not even the full effect. Well that and I try to make movie time chill with the wife time. I spend enough time in front of a computer and its not very couple-ish to say here you go dear...you get the other chair and I get my nice one.
Yes its meant for gamers but I have found gaming gear crosses over nice to many areas. Need a workstation, get a true workstation. Its assumed your work is paying for it (ie a wedding shooter has the gigs lined up to splurge). Not having that cash flow..gaming rigs can process pics and vids well enough for non paid work I have found. Hell many do it on MBP's which appear to have gimped aspects in Mac OS native mode (based on the not uncommon boost to FPS when you go bootcamp and run the real drivers from AMD in windows).
the build company likes liquid cooling. Cuts down on noise.
Nice. That would be a great computer. But as you point out not quite 5k. The iMac 5k really does stand alone at this point. And amazingly has been able to do so now for a year. Doing work (which for me is mainly reading and writing) on a huge "retina" monitor is going to be amazing when I eventually upgrade. My PC laptop screen is so terrible as is the external monitor I plug into at work.
Yes, and the standard version is still with a 7200t HDD. Thats a contrast huh? I am sure you would jump to the SSD variant so they can overcharge us on the options.
Nope, you cant buy al All in one PC like a iMac. Well, they are getting close. I dint say its a bad machine. I said macs are not the machines for the creative content makers anymore like in the days behind us. Apple has shifted their aim to consumers and it are nice but basic computers with average hardware (and a nice fancy screen.)
In PC business Ultra HD and 4K monitors are mainstream. Nothing wrong with that. And good affordable. Macs can blow their fans quite hard too. And thats not so weird when things getting hot. My iMac hits the 90 degrees daily with stutters all over. Maybe you havent noticed it, but there are very nice clean and good medium size cases on the markt where you can put your hardware in. With less is more in mind and nice looks and very quiet.
Just want to point out that Apple iMac is not the holy grail. Its a nice machine but there are many cons also. Me, being in the creative content making business, I am frustrated that i don't feel the love anymore between Apple and my market. I need to switch for a better configuration. 6-core i7, more memory, more SSD's and a powerfull videocard. But thats me.
Yes, and the standard version is still with a 7200t HDD. Thats a contrast huh? I am sure you would jump to the SSD variant so they can overcharge us on the options.
Nope, you cant buy al All in one PC like a iMac. Well, they are getting close. I dint say its a bad machine. I said macs are not the machines for the creative content makers anymore like in the days behind us. Apple has shifted their aim to consumers and it are nice but basic computers with average hardware (and a nice fancy screen.)
In PC business Ultra HD and 4K monitors are mainstream. Nothing wrong with that. And good affordable. Macs can blow their fans quite hard too. And thats not so weird when things getting hot. My iMac hits the 90 degrees daily with stutters all over. Maybe you havent noticed it, but there are very nice clean and good medium size cases on the markt where you can put your hardware in. With less is more in mind and nice looks and very quiet.
Just want to point out that Apple iMac is not the holy grail. Its a nice machine but there are many cons also. Me, being in the creative content making business, I am frustrated that i don't feel the love anymore between Apple and my market. I need to switch for a better configuration. 6-core i7, more memory, more SSD's and a powerfull videocard. But thats me.
Yeah and the nearly abandoned Mac Pro is nice but too expensive and hasn't been upgraded. Apple offering on the iMac with its limitations driven by the slim all in one design, which results in mobile GPUs, just leaves Apple out of market for a lot of current power user stuff. I kind of wonder why Apple hasn't made an iMac Pro, which would be an all in one but with a desktop GPU. That would probably address your needs.
Just looked at Dell. Their 5k monitor is $1,900. You can get into a nice 5K iMac for only $100 more. I still don't get how the pricing of a monitor can be that close to an entire iMac with a 5k monitor (yes you still have a Fusion drive, but that works well in real life usage). Though 4K monitors are MUCH MUCH cheaper. That would seem to be the way to go in PC world. But as you say, if you go iMac you are left with a mobile GPU and that is not going to cut it for a lot of people. It is a consumer machine or at least not a graphics creation machine. For that there is the Mac Pro. But if you go that route in Macs you are looking at $4,000 once you get a nice monitor and the Mac Pro isn't updated. It is kind of a crazy hole in the lineup these days.
Yep, plus that its a all-in-one and that is not really pro. Well, they can call it pro if the want of course. But i feel some problems there. A machine packed with laptop hardware, as thin as possible and great looks.. but i would like to change my gpu, cpu or ssd when i pleased to do so. A headless machine fits the pro market more. I work on a 27" wacom cintiq screen. My iMac screen is basically my 2nd screen. I am happy with a standard 4k screen next to my Cintiq and a brutal powerhouse under my desk. To bad its not OSX on the hardrive. But i am sure W10 will do the job since those OS'n are not that much far away from each other anymore.
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