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I hope we won't be let down... but I won't hold my breath!

I hope we can expect a decent GPU in the imac and it is not just mac pro.
 
How frustrating. I'll bet that Apple will be one generation behind for the discrete graphics cards in the MBP, and choose the most inferior type of AMD card. Woo!
 
^ I'd rather have a Mac Pro than an iMac, but it's just too expensive. I wish the Mac Pro had a cheaper configuration available, but I know it's marketed toward different people than the iMacs are.

Well, they have Xeons, the fun of Xeons is that you can add a second one next to a Xeon so you can double up in cores. Not with the nMP of course. They choose to go small and round. I guess the Pro market is asking for a small round shape case, and not for more cores so you can render your stuff faster. We all know that Apple goes for the nice looks.

There are awesome hardware configurations possible. What about a 8 core i7 (5960x) with a 980ti Nvidia and 64gb memory and M2 SSD and some extra SSD's for scratch, work files, etc... thats an awesome config for the pro marked. The Mac Pro these days with their AMD setup is nice for Final Cut pro for sure. But with many other tools you would like to benefit from the cuda so you can live preview your filters, effects, and render blazing fast in 3D etc. So, there is a great markt between the expensive Xeons and ECC memory and the consumer market. But hey.. a nice round shiny case where you need everything to hook up outside is cool to, right?
 
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Yeah, improve the obsolete GPU, and why not opt out the ever stupidier ever thinner ever less powerful form factor, and put in a real GPU

and while they're at it, let them drop the now crappy Fusion Drives and make pure SSD standard at a reasonable price.

Does anyone at Apple know retail 1 To SSD can now be found at 250$ or less, not 1000$+initial HDD price ???
 
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Yeah, improve the obsolete GPU, and why not opt out the ever stupidier ever thinner ever less powerful form factor, and put in a real GPU

and while they're at it, let them drop the now crappy Fusion Drives and make pure SSD standard at a reasonable price.

Does anyone at Apple know retail 1 To SSD can now be found at 250$ or less, not 1000$+initial HDD price ???

They know. You know it. We all know it. Still, ppl are bashing the "order" button and pay it. So it will never change. The cool part is that they make good money to build the Apple QH dome.
 
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Maybe we finally get a iMac Pro?

Apple has ignored i big group of GPU users for way to long.
Now lets hope the finally ban 5400rpm hardrives.

Knowing apple is always primarily after our money I dont get my hopes up for the latest and greatest GPU's
Probably only GDDR5+ for the iMac, they will save the HBM2 for the Mac Pro.
 
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If you read the article, these won't be going into the iMac as it uses mobile gpu chips. This is destined only for the Mac Pro.

Yeah, but won't they make a mobile GPU version of these? Or is that not expected to happen by the end of this year?
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Exactly. You don't notice it too much if a HDD is all you've known. But once you've experienced the SSD, you realise it's the bottleneck to progress. My next iMac will have at least a fusion drive in it, if not a full SSD, if the 1TB SSD prices are resonable by then.

Voice activated Macs would be an awesome thing, for so many reasons. It'd have to be optional for secruity reasons. But a lot of folks would really use the heck out of that option.

The chip to add voice activation probably costs Apple less than five bucks and if they can get it in a phone, they should be able to find space in a laptop or iMac.

It is things like this which seem fairly easy to do (to me who knows little of this stuff) that Apple doesn't do that leaves me scratching my head a bit. Siri is obviously going to get better and be a big thing. So even if the software isn't there yet for this to work, Apple should be releasing hardware with the capabilities for the future.
 
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Apple uses GPUs with appropriate TDP for their design form factors. They use the best mobile GPUs out there for the retina iMac. The fact that the performance per watt increase is pervasive throughout the lineup means Macs are due for big performance boosts assuming they at least keep the same TDP of their previous product iterations.

Recently Nvidia made efforts to put their desktop 980 into laptops. If that trend continues, Apple should have a few more high end options for the iMac while keeping mobile factor GPUs.

They actually don't. By trying to fit a GPU into such a tight TDP with terrible cooling they handicap the hardware significantly and shorten it's life-span. Case and point. The iMacs with AMD GPUs would throttle after a certain time because they would get too hot. The nMP GPUs will burn out. I have burned one out doing OpenCL computing for extended periods of time. Look at the group that did Deadpool. They burned out 10 nMPs trying to render some scenes.

If anything they would probably use even weaker GPUs and make the iMac even thinner. If Apple could solely use integrated GPUs and not dedicated hardware I am sure they would.
 
While I don't agree with all of Apples design decisions you are way off base in calling the current machines "mediocrity".

OK, I'll bite. The flagship 15" MBP is $2500. Which part of it is not mediocre for that price point:

1) The lack of TB3 and USB-C
2) The stock 16GB RAM
3) The non-4K screen

For my buying power Apple hasn't presented me a reason to upgrade my 2012 15" MBP because the cost/benefit ratio is skewed to the cost based on what I have vs. what Apple is offering. Hopefully 2016 improvements are coming @wwdc, but the 15" MBP hasn't really had a significant update since the Retina screen was added. (Force Touch is a nicety, but not worth upgrading for that alone. The new keyboard is a keyboard.) By any measure $2500 is a premium price for a laptop in 2016. It should be outfitted a bit better than it currently is for that kind of coin.
 
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The chip to add voice activation probably costs Apple less than five bucks and if they can get it in a phone, they should be able to find space in a laptop or iMac.

There's no such $5 chip.

My 2004 powerbook G4 had everything needed for "voice activation". It had very basic voice commands (this was years before siri of course), but I used to play chess on it by speaking my moves. Every laptop I've had since has also had the hardware needed. Going from there to full Siri support is only software.
 
There's no such $5 chip.

My 2004 powerbook G4 had everything needed for "voice activation". It had very basic voice commands (this was years before siri of course), but I used to play chess on it by speaking my moves. Every laptop I've had since has also had the hardware needed. Going from there to full Siri support is only software.

I think the always on while the Mac is in sleep mode (which is what the iPhone does) is going to take some hardware. I don't think it is just software. Like the 6S has "Hey Siri" but none of the other iPhones do. I thought that was because of a special chip.
 
Not often, but yes. Recently I've had some old home movies converted from VHS to DVD by a service where you send off the VHS tapes and they send back DVDs. I've then taken the files off the DVDs and put them on my computer (which in turn backed them up to my backup). Great fun to look at some stuff from nearly 20 years ago.

I've also installed programs from DVDs. One as recently as a month or so ago. Strangely the DVD version of some programs are cheaper than the download version.

I'm surprised that you can still get programs on disk. I have an external drive, and it can be a pain in the ass, especially since my wife computer is a macbook with one port. She recently got a workout dvd and getting it setup on the tv with only one port is a pain. But I'd still never buy another computer with a dvd drive, maybe bluray if it had a burner.
 
They certainly used to have better video cards (for their day). Christ, my 2011 MacBook pro with the 6750 card in it still outperforms the current iGPU in $2000 MacBook pro they sell here in 2016, 5 years later.
But nowadays all Apple cares about is thinness, not performance. "PRO" my ass.

I'm no expert, but as I understand it bad for games doesn't mean bad for other graphics work.
 
I'm still using my 2011 iMac at home. Nice machine with the integrated DVD player. Every five years is about my desktop upgrade cycle. I'm going to hold off until end of year to see if I can get these better GPUs.

Still have my late '06 MacBook Pro and '06 Mac Pro (1,1). Just replaced my '06 iMac this past fall with the 27" 5K iMac. This is why I but Apple, they are built to last. Used to be Dell (because work) and we were replacing these every 2-3 years.
 
I think the always on while the Mac is in sleep mode (which is what the iPhone does) is going to take some hardware. I don't think it is just software. Like the 6S has "Hey Siri" but none of the other iPhones do. I thought that was because of a special chip.
Intel CPUs have integrated voice DSP since Skylake. Cortana on Windows already supports it.
 
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Intel CPUs have integrated voice DSP since Skylake. Cortana on Windows already supports it.

Can you wake Cortana on a PC when the PC is in Sleep Mode? That is what I'm talking about here. Just waking up and walking by my office and telling my Mac to start playing some tunes is what I have in mind.
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I'm surprised that you can still get programs on disk. I have an external drive, and it can be a pain in the ass, especially since my wife computer is a macbook with one port. She recently got a workout dvd and getting it setup on the tv with only one port is a pain. But I'd still never buy another computer with a dvd drive, maybe bluray if it had a burner.

Yes, I doubt I will buy another computer with a disc player built in. But I will probably get an external disc player when I get rid of my 2011 iMac. It doesn't come up often, but it does come up and prove useful enough to spend $40 and tuck one into a drawer.
 
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One is the NVidia fan boy crowd which has no value in the discussion. The other is the frequent posts from CUDA users. CUDA is a dying technology for a number of reasons. For one it is proprietary which is fairly stupid especially considering the areas where CUDA gets used.


Same can be said of the input of AMD fanboys. Quite a few saying yeah, tech is great shame the drivers suck. When you live in fear of bad drivers...thats not a good thing. Its like saying yeah the guy John, great worker when he doesn't come in hung over from a night of drinking. So now often is that? 3 days a week.


Please define why proprietary is bad as well. Nvidia is more inclined to develop for themselves. Its their tech, their gear, their company. They kind of want to make other makers not look as good.

Also think you are confusing dying with not having massive market saturation. That is not going to happen here. CUDA is for specific needs. Not all need to code for this. M$ or other spreadsheet maker for example doesn't really need to bend over backwards here to support it. If your analysis of a spreadsheet is needing that much horsepower other options need to be looked at. Options like statistical analysis programs come to mind off the bat.

Thing is on the pro lines at least like MBP in particular this need does arise. Why do I have a MBP...I run applications and do stuff the other vanilla offerings can't provide.

Here is where nvidia gets some love by some of the "fanboys". And why some of us less than happy MBP owners look with some envy at nvidia. They made a nice hybrid card market. We can work and play.

For content creation with CUDA awareness time can be saved.

I also use science applications that support CUDA if I had Nvidia. Mix these 2 and the love I had for apple when I started with a late 11 many years ago...has lost some of that spark.

We want to play a game to relax for an hour, well we can do that too. I Won't lie about liking that benefit. Not too bad from 1 card. This is what nvidia can offer.

Caveat....lets have apple for 2 years sell an AMD MBP and a Nvidia one. Most sales wins. This then gets resolved. Like another poster has said....we'd just like this choice. Its what many laptop makers do. There sits the AMD model right next to the nvidia one.
 
How often do people upgrade their Macs?
I haven't since 2011 and 2014 (besides upping the RAM in the iMac)...

Should I be upgrading? :p

Almost yearly - at least every two. Simply because the "old" one is still worth a lot when you sell it so you don't lose much - having said that I ever got round to selling my maxed out 2013 15" Macbook Pro and its just been sat in a drawer since I bought the 2015 version last summer.
 
What good is this news? Everything I've seen suggests Apple is continually moving away from 3rd party GPUs and relying more and more on Intel Integrated Graphics. So unless Intel has some super new awesome Intel HD10000 coming out in a new iteration of Skylake, this news really doesn't matter. Apple <> A Game Machine and so you don't need ANY GRAPHICS WHAT-SO-EVER. Apple should bring back the "Dos-Era" SHELL (albeit a UNIX Bash one) for 100% of all users 100% of the time. Then the Retina models SLOW performance won't matter any longer! ;)

Our new Mac Pro has slower graphics than the latest FireTV but that doesn't matter since it's only for amateur video people and you don't NEED anything better! Now priced at only $9999.99 for the quad-core model. The new 22-core model is $199,999.99 (the chip itself? ~$4000; the rest is mostly Apple TAX so Tim can buy a fleet of Teslas for him and the top brass at Apple to play at a Demolition Derby using an iOS controller (with and I don't mean the new Model 3 either ;)).
 
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