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I doubt they picked Texas for tax reasons.

By the way, most people completely look past the high property tax rates in Texas. When I lived there it was 4%. Here in California it is 1%. The difference is almost equivalent to Income Tax vs no Income Tax.

I am guessing they picked Flextronics....which just happened to have facilities with production openings in Texas.

The whole Made In The USA thing is kind of irrelevant to me. It doesnt create thousands of jobs like it used to. If anything, shipping products out of the USA to other countries will make it expensive for them to get it.

Still, not a bad way to diversify its production chain and at the same time sell a few higher priced products to proud americans that might otherwise buy something lower on the chain like an iMac.

Hardly, how bout 6% state income + 1.2% property tax. Texas sounds better.
 
This thread confirms that a large percentage of people on this forum come here only to complain and whine and complain some more. :( Apple finally makes, assembles or "whatever" a product in the USA and everyone is complaining that it's going to be mainly robots or what the cost will be or why Texas. Geeesh! Even if this move employs 5 people or 10 people or 100 people in Fort Worth, it's a step in the right direction and a positive move.
 
Not even close, you really think Apple would price this that high after selling the old Mac Pro from $2499 and up? Seriously? It will be well within affordability and not far from the current Mac Pro pricing. They are not dumb...

Current Mac Pro

Two 2.66GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processor (12 cores)
32GB (8x4GB)
512GB solid-state drive
Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

$6,599.00

And you were saying ? This is based on the specs they announced for the new MP. Keep in mind that the graphix they spec'd were way above what's offered today and the PCIe SSD is going to be more expensive as well. We can always assume they'll offer something with less specs, then a lower price. But we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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Also regarding pricing...You can bet its going to be similar to current Mac Pro pricing which after all is not exactly cheap for a computer. $3K for a computer with no monitor or accessories....makes it a lot more expensive than the high end iMac without having to increase prices. The audience for this Pro is more than just true professionals, there are lots of Mac enthusiasts that just want to own one.

Agreed. Apple usually prices updates or even new computers at or around the old pricing, so I expect the New Mac Pro to start under $3k and go up from there. I wouldn't be surprised if they offer it for even less than what the current one is selling for, they might be willing to take a bit of a profit hit to get these in the hands of their customers and user base. Will be interesting!
 
Mac Pro

Two 2.66GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processor (12 cores)
32GB (8x4GB)
512GB solid-state drive
Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

$6,599.00

And you were saying ?

i would say between $5000 and $6000

but how can people really believe that it would be the same price as previous gen ? :rolleyes:
 
Mac Pro

Two 2.66GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processor (12 cores)
32GB (8x4GB)
512GB solid-state drive
Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

$6,599.00

And you were saying ?

Time will tell, will know who's right in a few months...
 
This thread confirms that a large percentage of people on this forum come here only to complain and whine and complain some more. :( Apple finally makes, assembles or "whatever" a product in the USA and everyone is complaining that it's going to be mainly robots or what the cost will be or why Texas. Geeesh! Even if this move employs 5 people or 10 people or 100 people in Fort Worth, it's a step in the right direction and a positive move.

FYI I wasn't 'complaining' about it being robots. I was just making it perfectly clear to everyone.
 
This thread confirms that a large percentage of people on this forum come here only to complain and whine and complain some more. :( Apple finally makes, assembles or "whatever" a product in the USA and everyone is complaining that it's going to be mainly robots or what the cost will be or why Texas. Geeesh! Even if this move employs 5 people or 10 people or 100 people in Fort Worth, it's a step in the right direction and a positive move.

This thread also confirms that many people do not know/care about available information about the US labor market and laws, raw material sources, tax implications, education (Somebody posted engineer graduation numbers) etc.etc.

The Made in USA mantra is a fallacy and in todays global economy there are plenty of jobs attached in importing, exporting, managing the supply chain etc. and most of all the hard factory labor jobs are mostly not even done by Americans!

Too intricate a subject to discuss in MR.
 
Hardly, how bout 6% state income + 1.2% property tax. Texas sounds better.

Well i was paying $12K in property tax in texas on a $300K home.
(Thats equivalent to a $1M home in Cali with 1.2% tax rate)

Lets say you make $100K annually with a $300K house. You pay $12k in taxes and will one day have $300k equity.

In cali you make $110K with a $600K house. You pay $14,800 in annual taxes and will one day own $600K equity.

I am not saying texas is not cheap, I am just saying people forget about the tax part which yields lots of property tax and very little equity in the long run.

People leave Cali all the time and buy houses full in cash in Texas. So is it expensive to live in Cali? yes. But you actually keep a lot of that money...lol
 
This thread also confirms that many people do not know/care about available information about the US labor market and laws, raw material sources, tax implications, education (Somebody posted engineer graduation numbers) etc.etc.

The Made in USA mantra is a fallacy and in todays global economy there are plenty of jobs attached in importing, exporting, managing the supply chain etc. and most of all the hard factory labor jobs are mostly not even done by Americans!

Too intricate a subject to discuss in MR.

That's a great point and very true. And like you said too complicated to get into and I don't buy the "made in the USA" mantra either for everything but my point is that Apple announces for the first time that they are "assembling" a product in the USA and everyone jumps on them or this decision, why not just give them props for trying something new and see if this leads to future expansion to more jobs here or more companies following this lead. I think there's plenty of import/export jobs out there for people but manufacturing and assembly jobs coming back to the USA could be a positive thing, will have to see how this unfolds...
 
Not even close.


Gotta get those upvotes though! right?

Actually the Mac Mini has more internal upgrades available. So did the old G4 Cube which Apple made reference to. To bad that Apple is all about small & pretty rather than making a product that is large enough to do the best possible job. I believe that since Apple insists on calling it a Mac Pro the name thus should be Mac Pro Mini.

The design is interesting, only if it is a replacement for a Mac Mini or maybe a Mac Mini Plus. Who here actually wants to have a dozen or more boxes, adapters & other things connected with wires just to have a small & pretty trash can shaped box. If it sells it won't be so much because of its consumer level shape & size but because Windows &/or Linux has not done a good enough job to be our OS of choice.

I was thinking of replacing my Mac Pro with this new one, but not with what appears to be this model to be. Because we do not know what processor the new "Mac Pro" will be using we don't know if this is just a new case for the Intel Xeon processor that Windows boxes put in over a year ago now. This fall there is supposed to be an Ivy Bridge Xeon model out. Dual processor even was not mentioned.
 
Yeah, but what happens when Texas secedes and becomes its own country?

This will happen one day, but only after CA and NY implode under the weight of their respective socialist programs.


By the way, I like the new design of the Mac Pro. It's an improvement on the current rectangular box shape that dates back to the chassis designs from the early 80s.
 
People leave Cali all the time and buy houses full in cash in Texas. So is it expensive to live in Cali? yes. But you actually keep a lot of that money...lol

But you actually keep a lot of that.

In California ? I find that hard to believe. Nancy will have none of that. It's not your money, they're letting you have some of theirs. :p
 
Funky Town

there's some other little company here called Lockheed Martin making jets or something crazy, space-age/science thing like that. Not quite sure how they even found us here in Texas, let alone Fort Worth. If I had to guess I'd say they stopped at the river to rest their horses and water up and decided this would be a great place for a factory.

I love NYC and San Francisco, don't hate on/stereotype a state and city you know nothing about. Yes, its hot here and I don't agree with everyone's politics but it is home and believe it or not we too have joined the 21st Century.
 
Not even close, you really think Apple would price this that high after selling the old Mac Pro from $2499 and up? Seriously? It will be well within affordability and not far from the current Mac Pro pricing. They are not dumb...

Sure, why not?

They're not going to sell many after all the pro/prosumers that have left for workstations.
Workstations that can be upgraded with any components and peripherals that they want,
that are introduced in a timely and regular fashion and that don't require them
to invest in limited and insanely expensive TB technology.

Apple might as well bend over the few fanatics that will buy the new MacTube.
 
there's some other little company here called Lockheed Martin making jets or something crazy, space-age/science thing like that. Not quite sure how they even found us here in Texas, let alone Fort Worth. If I had to guess I'd say they stopped at the river to rest their horses and water up and decided this would be a great place for a factory.

I love NYC and San Francisco, don't hate on/stereotype a state and city you know nothing about. Yes, its hot here and I don't agree with everyone's politics but it is home and believe it or not we too have joined the 21st Century.

Huh ?
 
I don't think they need any help.

Texas unemployment - 6.4%
California - 9%
New York - 7.9%

Not to mention individuals and corporations pay no state taxes. I can GUARANTEE that NY and CA individual and corporate state taxes are among the highest in the country.

Perhaps lower tax attracts business? Perhaps then businesses provide jobs? No, that doesn't make any sense at all. I know, lets tax the heck out of businesses and then wonder why they don't set up shop in our state. Or country for that matter. Then, when people aren't working because busineses choose to go elsewhere and we don't have enough money to provide for all the nanny state plans we have, lets just tax those that do work even more. Then when they leave to move to texas, lets ask the federal govt for aid.

If only typing on the Internet could convince anyone of anything... Those words have been true since before a lot of us were born. People don't tend to pay attention till things get really bad, which thankfully they aren't yet. You can thank low information voters. Honestly, I'd gladly give up my right to vote (and yours, I'm not calling myself stupid thank you very much...) if it meant a higher level of intelligence among voters... The way we're doing it now is essentially Russian roulette politics.
 
Few jobs. How many people do you think it takes to make one of these? A tiny fraction of a person. It's mostly robots. That's why it's in the USA, otherwise labour costs would be too high.

And who do you think programs, maintains, and repairs those robots? It ain't other robots. Well, not yet. :D

And for the record, living in the DFW area. I can tell you Fort Worth is a haven for low cost labor, so any assembly not automated can be done cheaply.
 
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