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Apple's Mac Pro to Be Assembled by Flextronics in Fort Worth, Texas?
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That is the car cars are made too.
Remember the standard of living in the US depends entirely on worker productivity. That is the amount of value a person can create in some unit of time. They do MUCH better using robots
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Apple said there is more than one US company involved. Certainly the one who makes the most expensive part is in the US, Intel. THen there is the auminum shell that is machined in the US and the other big part the heat sink.
Even in China they use pick and place robits to make the boards. No human could place those parts quickly enough
As a fixed amount, close, but no. As a percentage of the total cost of a Mac Pro, it's pretty close.
The benefit of home-based production is that Apple Engineers can spot problems quickly and fix them before it hits the shelves. This is how America has innovated and created the technologies we have today. Unfortunately, once we felt we had enough technology, we shipped it overseas. Now 'inventions' have become virtual instead of physical.
Even if the plant is entirely robotic, it still makes jobs.
Someone has to build the facility if it isn't built. Then stock it with production equipment. Some factory has to make the production equipment. You then need laborers to monitor the production, clean the facility, etc. It may not supply 'high-paying' jobs, but it provides jobs for a workforce within the US.
It also keeps $ within the US.
Even if the plant is entirely robotic, it still makes jobs.
Someone has to build the facility if it isn't built. Then stock it with production equipment. Some factory has to make the production equipment. You then need laborers to monitor the production, clean the facility, etc. It may not supply 'high-paying' jobs, but it provides jobs for a workforce within the US.
It also keeps $ within the US.
Wha?
1. Socialist Democracy is the term
2. Socialist Democracies are not Communism or Marxism
3. The U.S. has had social programs for a long time; teachers, police force, firemen, etc. Should we eliminate or privatize them?
4. Socialist Democracies are not Communism or Marxism
5. Socialist Democracies are not Communism or Marxism
Corporations and marketing have created a system pushing mindless spending for things we don't need in order to grease its wheels. The economy is based on a fragile stock market system which the general population has little control. Corporations have extreme influence on politicians and policy through lobbyists and campaign contributions (especially the oil and gas and pharmaceutical industry).
The line between the corporate and government sect has become so blurred, they're practically one and the same. Freedom is an illusion, we're pawns in a financial chess game; if we don't spend the economy falters, if we spend too much we risk our own personal finances, and the economy falters. Those on top play the game with voodoo math "derivatives", investment banking (my father was a Bear Stearns investment banker till retirement in the mid-90's), mergers, etc. We're rats running on an endless wheel. At least communism is upfront about it, here freedom is an illusion served with apple pie and a side of ice cream.
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Not true. Texas is a 'giver' state. We only get $0.89 for every $1.00 in federal taxes we pay.
i would say between $5000 and $6000
but how can people really believe that it would be the same price as previous gen ?
We know the price of the main parts. The biggest one is that 12-core CPU. Then the graphic cards. The high-end configuration they showed is NOT going to be cheap.
The cost of assembly in the US v. China will be almost nothing. Texans will do un-skilled factory work for $15 per hour and I doubt there are two hours of labor required to assemble one of these things. Certainly less then $100 total cost in US labor.
LOL, I wish conservatives would stop talking and start doing, by refusing to accept all the Federal tax dollars paid by CA and NY and other wealthy liberal states, which is then paid to poor conservative states. Look it up, it's a financial fact. Until then they'll just be mouthy hypocrites.
As for the MacPro, it's more Apple form over function. No internal expandability, but looks great!
Our school system isn't poorly run. We have a large 1st generation immigrant population which is focused on surviving not education.
The health care system is fine, but overworked by a growing population.
The NTMWD is building reservoirs as fast as they can to keep up with the booming population (which, if it was as bad here as you seem to think wouldn't be applicable).
I do have to agree with you though that the lawmakers go a bit overboard on the morality.
CA just passed it's third in a row balanced budget, on-time again. They can't do that in Washington DC. The state is growing in population and jobs faster then the US as a whole. And like I said, has had balanced budgets for three years.
What changed to enable this? Democrats now control of both houses and the governor Office. No more "no" votes again everything. (Republicans were votes "no" just to make the state government look bad and fail, no for policy reasons. It backfired.) This year, finally, we were able to increase spending on schools AND still have money left over for the "rainy day" emergency fund.
I suspect if there is not MORE socialism we will see a very un-even distribution of wealth. This would be nice for a few rich people for a short while, but then all their customers are in poverty. I'd be like India. Wallmart and McDonalds can't make money in India because of the lack of middle class consumers. We would be more and more like that, except for social programs that keep people off the streets
Yes we have large programs were we "back fill" paychecks. Wallmart pays an employee so little they can't eat or live indoors, so the state comes in and gives them food stamps and medical care. If not for that we'd have people with full time jobs living in cardboard boxes.
Better for everyone that we don't have huge homeless camps.
The next "socialist battle" will be to set the minimum wage such that no one who works full time qualities for government assistance. The state would actually SAVE money with such a policy because most poor people actually DO have jobs, typically more then one job.
"socialism" means only that we value "society" and band together to help each other. All the money spent on those programs is never lost. When you give a poor person a check they SPEND it quickly and on local goods. The money is recycled and taxed at each cycle. Every dime you give out ends up within days inside a local grocery store or Walmart or Dollar store. So the money comes back home
89¢! You guys are doing way better than we are, and you even turned down the new Medicaid money thanks to Rickey. We can only dream of getting that kind of return.
How old's your MBP? Mine both run my 30" ACD fine, although I went with a new 27" cause I'm too lazy to hook that stupid adapter up.
Good old sweat
I have to weigh in.
Back in the Nokia days (around 2004) the final assembly was done by hand in TX. In fact the most expensive final assembly was in the factory with the most automation (read robots).
The workers in Alliance were a local community of Americans who were decedent from south east Asia. I can't remember the country but believe it was Vietnam or Laos. In any event the were engaged workers who exercised good judgement and I hope the community is still there and interested in working with Flex.
It's sad when contributing least to the success of your neighbors and community is a driving force in your life. I pay taxes and contribute to local community and hope you do as well. Hats off to the workers on the line.
I have to weigh in.
Back in the Nokia days (around 2004) the final assembly was done by hand in TX. In fact the most expensive final assembly was in the factory with the most automation (read robots).
The workers in Alliance were a local community of Americans who were decedent from south east Asia. I can't remember the country but believe it was Vietnam or Laos. In any event the were engaged workers who exercised good judgement and I hope the community is still there and interested in working with Flex.
It's sad when contributing least to the success of your neighbors and community is a driving force in your life. I pay taxes and contribute to local community and hope you do as well. Hats off to the workers on the line.
One problem is that it doesn't seem like there will be a low-end graphics card option as previous Mac Pro's did, based on the info on Apple's web site. Before, if you needed a higher end graphics card, you could upgrade, but if not, you didn't need to pay extra for something you didn't really need.
For people need who don't really need more than 4 cores or 32 GB of RAM, it seems like the only big advantage the new Mac Pro has over other Mac's is it's graphics power at this point.
Freedom Town sounds too kitschy...how about Logical Common Sense Town located within the County of Where I Don't Have to Support Your Lazy @$$?
Based on what? Since it says up to 6 gigs of video ram, that sounds like more than one option. Why would they say "up to" if they all had 6 gigs? Same with up to 12 cores of CPU.
Made in China, Assembled in USA. That's like Chinese making Lego blocks while Americans put them together.
"Freedom Town", not kitschy enough.Freedom Town sounds too kitschy...how about Logical Common Sense Town located within the County of Where I Don't Have to Support Your Lazy @$$?
Freedom Town sounds too kitschy...how about Logical Common Sense Town located within the County of Where I Don't Have to Support Your Lazy @$$?
Logic and Glenn Beck don't get along, so that name is definitely out.
actually, i was just over in China meeting with some vendors for my company, they make 800 USD per month.
It is somewhat unusual for Apple to sneak peek anything without a definite launch date/month.
I'm very tempted by the Mac Pro but since I now have a 27" 2012 iMac it will have to wait a couple of years, for the 2nd gen of the new system when they iron out any bugs.
I'm very tempted by the Mac Pro but since I now have a 27" 2012 iMac it will have to wait a couple of years, for the 2nd gen of the new system when they iron out any bugs.
Please don't come
Having lived in Texas all my life, I tell you don't believe anything. We are all rednecks and hillbillies and this is a horrible place to live so please don't move to Texas. Don't even come visit.
(Seriously, Texas is a great state and all of the stereotypes promoted by the media are wrong, but we don't need anyone else moving here - the state is too crowded already.)
Having lived in Texas all my life, I tell you don't believe anything. We are all rednecks and hillbillies and this is a horrible place to live so please don't move to Texas. Don't even come visit.
(Seriously, Texas is a great state and all of the stereotypes promoted by the media are wrong, but we don't need anyone else moving here - the state is too crowded already.)
Sorry, my initial numbers were way off. I think the average minimum wage salary in China is around $200 per month, but they are rising. Those guys you spoke to are definitely on the high end from what I've been reading.