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Apple fans are the best.....even with faulty keyboards. Even the sheep are impressed.

Supports my argument, all about the “Base”. That is, software, style, and integration. The under the hood tech specs, meh! Very few users care about the specs. Like very few car owners really have No idea what’s under the hood, or do they care. Majority of Apple fans, works, looks good, gets the job done, all good. The name for this phenomenon, Consumer, Not Geek.
 
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Dell and Lenovo are gaining a lot more traction (9.5% and 6.1% growth respectively compared to Apple's 3.0%)

And probably almost all of it at the lower end of the market considering that in Q1 2018 HP's personal computing division (so just desktops and laptops - nothing else) made around 27% more revenue than Apple's Mac division (so again, just desktops and laptops - nothing else) on 270% more sales
 
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It seems like the lack of a spike in sales the last few years shows you that Apple isn't making machines that grab people anymore. I could be wrong, but that graph looks like it shows a spike every time a model update came out. Until the last few years. Then fairly steady as no one is excited about touchbars and a lack of ports.

Then again I hate the touchbar and a lack of dedicated media keys, so I'm biased. :)
 
It seems like the lack of a spike in sales the last few years shows you that Apple isn't making machines that grab people anymore. I could be wrong, but that graph looks like it shows a spike every time a model update came out. Until the last few years. Then fairly steady as no one is excited about touchbars and a lack of ports.

Then again I hate the touchbar and a lack of dedicated media keys, so I'm biased. :)

The spikes had more to do with education sales, the quarter before school started was usually the big one for Mac sales each year. With the stagnation of the iMac and Mac Mini lines, and the only pro option being the trashcan Mac Pro, the spikes went away in 2016. I'm sure some of that went into iPads instead, but some of it probably went to other PC manufacturers.

If Apple is really serious about the Mac again, they need to get all of the lines updated pronto...it seems like that's the plan, with the Mac Pro coming next year and everything else updated by the end of this year. Apple still has 12% US market share, they can easily bump that up higher with a quality product at a decent price (without going into the cheap end, Apple doesn't play there), if they choose to do so. We'll know by this time next year how it's going to turn out.
 
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The increase would be greater if Cook would update computers as much as he blabs about politics and social issues
 
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Does anybody make keyboard with 4 years of warranty?

Because nobody can want an Apple computer besides being a blind fanboy, is that it?

Well you are a blind fanboy from your comments. Heck, your name does check out. Tim, you only have to give out that 4 year warranty because you were forced to. We all know it's not from the bottom of your heart that you did it, you are after all a bean counter and will squeeze whatever you can get and only give when absolutely necessary.
 
Imagine Apple’s market share if their machines were just 10% more affordable. But then Apple would be left with a measly 30% profit. Wall St. can’t be having that now, can they. After all, look what happened the bankers after the bailout—champagne for all!
The game isn’t about market share now is it?
 
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The quality of Windows machines has improved considerably; I am not surprised they are outperforming Apple in growth. They still can’t nail that trackpad though, no matter how many Precision drivers they throw at it.
 
Meanwhile, "The tablet market has now declined year-over-year for 13 quarters straight. Q4 2017 saw a 7.9 percent year-over-year decline: 49.6 million units shipped worldwide, compared to 53.8 million units in the same quarter last year."
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Let's stop it with the faulty keyboard scenario already. Not most people were affected. It was overrated and was started by a Mac hater that quickly escalated and supported by more Mac haters. Now don't quote me on that...;)
I'm gonna literally quote you here and say you're probably right. If the keyboard were so broken, nobody would buy the laptop, lol. The reason I hate the new keyboard is that it feels bad and is hard to type on, which most people don't notice.
 
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Also, Gartner counts Chromebooks as PC's.

But for some reason, they don't count iPads as PC's.

Sounds like you think iPads should be counted as PC's. Perhaps Chromebooks should not be counted as PC's.

I guess its a bit of a grey area, but I currently think of a PC as a "Proper computer" where one can do consumption and production with the emphasis on production. I cannot be productive at excel or movie editing on my iPad due to the touch only interface. Give me shortcuts any day of the week on a proper keyboard.
 
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Let's stop it with the faulty keyboard scenario already. Not most people were affected. It was overrated and was started by a Mac hater that quickly escalated and supported by more Mac haters. Now don't quote me on that...;)
Why do you speak in the past it is still an issue!
 
The spikes had more to do with education sales, the quarter before school started was usually the big one for Mac sales each year. With the stagnation of the iMac and Mac Mini lines, and the only pro option being the trashcan Mac Pro, the spikes went away in 2016. I'm sure some of that went into iPads instead, but some of it probably went to other PC manufacturers.

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There was a time when I saw a lot of people coming to class carrying a Mac. This seems to be over now.
If you study electrical engineering you very likely have to program micro-controllers and stuff. This requires at least a USB-A port. The same goes for USB-Sticks that students hand around in class. Not everybody is part of the same cloud system. So the next generation of engineers are lost to Apple.
 
There was a time when I saw a lot of people coming to class carrying a Mac. This seems to be over now.
If you study electrical engineering you very likely have to program micro-controllers and stuff. This requires at least a USB-A port. The same goes for USB-Sticks that students hand around in class. Not everybody is part of the same cloud system. So the next generation of engineers are lost to Apple.

The $7 (or much less. I specifically looked for Anker, given their reputation) it would require to make this work is surely worth changing your entire workflow. People are throwing away their MBPs in droves, throwing them in a fire and shouting “burn the witch”. This is definitely a thing that’s happening. (do I need to put /s here?)

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerLine-Pull-up-Resistor-Samsung/dp/B01A6F3WHG/

People don’t make decisions on laptops that cost thousands of dollars based on a sub ten dollar cable. It’s not a thing.
 
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The $7 (or much less. I specifically looked for Anker, given their reputation) it would require to make this work is surely worth changing your entire workflow. People are throwing away their MBPs in droves, throwing them in a fire and shouting “burn the witch”. This is definitely a thing that’s happening. (do I need to put /s here?)

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerLine-Pull-up-Resistor-Samsung/dp/B01A6F3WHG/

People don’t make decisions on laptops that cost thousands of dollars based on a sub ten dollar cable. It’s not a thing.

No, they do not throw away their MBPs. That is not what I said. They simply do not buy MPBs in the first place.

I can just report on my observations. Whereas previous generations of students used to carry Macs into class, I do not see this happen anymore. The chart in the article seems to agree. There is no spike of 'Back-to-school' sales anymore...
 
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It seems like the lack of a spike in sales the last few years shows you that Apple isn't making machines that grab people anymore. I could be wrong, but that graph looks like it shows a spike every time a model update came out. Until the last few years. Then fairly steady as no one is excited about touchbars and a lack of ports.

Then again I hate the touchbar and a lack of dedicated media keys, so I'm biased. :)

Agreed. No more spikes from exactly that time when the new MBP was released. I have one of those in 15" from work and I hate it. After many complaints from all our developers, my Lenovo is now ordered and I can't wait to finally be able to work productively again.

I'm surprised that we're now in the third generation of these machines, and Apple has still not fixed the main issues their customers have with these laptops.
 
No, because nobody else makes a keyboard that can be completely crippled by a speck of dust...

There is no way that can be true because I guarantee you that there is already dust in your keyboard from the moment you pull it out. Dust may contribute to the failure, but a single speck of dust being the cause? Uh, no way. Don’t believe every exaggeration you read. The keyboards are glitchy, but not THAT glitchy.
 
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