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Yup. Microsoft kind of screwed itself on its own marketing here. Both the MacBook Air and the Surface Laptop 2 have a Core i5, but one is a Y-series chip, and the other a U.

MacRumors should amend the article accordingly. The Surface Laptop's CPU is only 2% faster in single-core, but 69% (nice) in multi-core.

If you google the perfomance tests for these two machines, you'll easily notice that the Surface Laptop offers dramatically faster speed for pretty much anything. So the Surface Laptop is a more affordable machine (depending on your region it's a dramatically more affordable machine, as Macbook Airs don't start at 1199 in Europe, for example) and it's much faster, and has a much better keyboard. Depending on your personal requirements, of course, you either have to choose between a slow, expensive computer that runs MacOS and a fast and inexpensive one running Windows. I suppose most people here will prefer working on a slower computer just for MacOS.
 
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Had a chance to check out Surface notebook and very surprise how nice it feels and looks. keyboard blows away my macbook pro. Next notebook will be something from MS. Macbooks are just way overprice for the specs you are getting.

You can pick up the sweet-spot i5/256GB/8GB config of the Surface Laptop 2 for around $999/£999. Great value for money, especially compared to the rip-off Mac prices.
 
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This sums up the Apple business model quite nicely. They had several points of difference a number of years ago - rock solid hardware and software architecture and pleasing design, whilst the competition had none of those 3. In recent years the competition has answered all 3 of those questions whilst Apple has stagnated without addressing the disparity - so now we get comparisons where the PC is actually the more desirable business machine, but the Apple is 20% more expensive without a touch screen and with half the storage capacity - but it's ok, the touch pad is slightly better.
I was pretty sure i'd been priced out of Macs since my last Macbook purchase and this just cements it really.
 
Why didn’t you compare the Surface with the same spec MacBook Air in terms of storage? Oh wait, that’s because it’s $400 more expensive so you purposefully chose the 128GB model instead to make it appear like the price is similar.
Sad but true. No way im paying 400 more just to use MacOS. Windows came a long way since crappy Vista days ...
 
I kept waiting for this article to tell me something more than I could get off of Amazon. Not sure what the point was. I didn't read any conclusion other than the MacBook cost more. How do they perform in actual use?

It's your typical Millennial comparison review.

All about the looks and the marketing numbers, but no actual hands-on information on the product and how well it actually performs for the consumer.

I'm surprised they didn't talk about the "smoothness" of cardboard box packaging and how great it looks all packed up. Pointless.
 
One runs Windows, the other run MacOS. The discussion ends there for me. It doesn't matter how fancy the Microsoft one is.
True, but that can be the start of a problem.
Many (like me) are hooked up into Apple's Eco-System. Having to use Windows makes me have to loose Final Cut Pro, miss the easy integration with iOS and iCloud features, etc.

But Apple HAS to stay competitive with the "Windows-based" hardware. I don't mind paying a slight premium for my 2017 iMac and 2019 MacBook Air (with 256 GB storage and 16 GB RAM), but... man... this MacBook Air is slow.

Showing others my brand new > € 1800 MacBook Air is quite embarrassing sometimes regarding speed.... HAVING to use macOS is starting to MAKE me buy worse hardware than available on the dark side...
That I will not keep on doing.
 
I don't understand why people fixate on the sticker price of things. Consider all the money you'll spend over the entire time you intend to own the product, add it all up and then see which is the less expensive option. I know a lot of Mac owners will keep their MacBooks for many years longer than the vast majority of Windows laptop users. My MacBook Air lasted me 7 years before I decided to replace it. I would rather spend $1199 on another one that will likely last me another 7 years than spend $999 every one to two years.

Let's not forget resale value either. I recently sold my base model, early 2014 11" Air for over $400 on eBay. You can get a great price for your used Apple gear just by cleaning it up and putting it in the box the way it came.
 
So why couldn’t Apple include the same quad core chip in the surface laptop in the MacBook Air? :mad:

Surface laptop also has slightly better graphics too.
 
I returned my MBA for a Surface Laptop 2 in that sexy dark blue. First time in a decade I went with a Windows-based laptop as my primary computer. Still use an iPad Pro for much of my general internet browsing, but the Laptop 2 had some incredible deals for Black Friday and the holiday season.

Micro Center is the best retailer around.
 
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So the Microsoft hardware has better specs, looks better (personal opinion) and costs $200 USD less. Hmmm.

The fact that it doesn't have USB-C ruins it, in my view.

Thank god I still have 2.2 years of warranty on my T480s, the competition doesn't look appealing to me right now.
 
You got to give it to Microsoft! Whether you like the new operating system and hardware or not, you have to admit that five short years ago the company was the laughingstock of the industry, remember the first two versions of surface? Now they are killing it !

Thank you macrumors for an objective review, I enjoyed reading it. I'd like to add that Microsoft is also tackling mid market with surface go (incredible machine for less than $500). Needless to say that they operating system runs on entry level machines as low as $150!

Competition is good folks. We should all be rooting for Microsoft, and google, and Samsung, for Apple's sake
 
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You got to give it to Microsoft! Whether you like the new operating system and hardware or not, you have to admit that five short years ago the company was the laughingstock of the industry, remember the first two versions of surface? Now they are killing it !

Thank you macrumors for an objective review, I enjoyed reading it. I'd like to add that Microsoft is also tackling mid market with surface go (incredible machine for less than $500). Needless to say that they operating system runs on entry level machines as low as $150!

Competition is good folks. We should all be rooting for Microsoft, and google, and Samsung, for Apple's sake

Agreed. The new Samsung S10+ and MS Surface tablets have turned my head, but all my tech is Apple. I’m heavily invested in the ecosystem so I usually end up sticking with the iPhone and iPad.

In terms of design I think Samsung phones look a lot nicer than the iPhone and have done for a few years now.
 
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I'm not jumping defensively. Calm down.

I'm merely pointing out in this MacBook Air vs Surface Laptop 2 story, that the MBA SSD performance is 10 times faster than the Surface Laptop 2.

You might not be aware that the MBA is an entry level laptop. And as such, it is not surprising its disk speeds are not at the level of Apple's more expensive MBPs. Still, it uses Apple's custom-designed SSD controller which yields rates 10x over comparable laptops.

What is surprising (not really), is the Surface Laptop 2 SSD performance is so poor. And that's because Microsoft went with a PCIe-based SSD interface to save money.

All this talk about SSD speeds is borderline useless ---- swinging comparisons.

That 'extra' ssd speed nets you virtually nothing in real world experience. The vast boost in SSD's comes from the virtually instaneous access times, which pretty much ALL SSDs give you. The read times even on a 'slower' SSD are already so fast that boosting them by 10x isn't actually very noticable in real world use.

I have several laptops, some with 'super fast' (2000+ MBs read speeds) and others that are just standard SATA ssds (400 MBs read speeds) and the difference in real world activities, boot times, launching applications, loading pictures ... is not noticable. I've NEVER gone back from my work laptop (super fast SSD) to my personal laptop (supposedly 'slow' ssd) and thought 'wow, this thing is dragging'!
 
Did you reboot your computer today? After all, it's patch Tuesday. Windows can't make it a week without some major vulnerability or some other embarrassing screw up from happening.

Windows is trash. The sooner you learn, the better off you'll be.
Nah, I usually turn off my PC's when I'm finished working, including my Macs. Be careful though a kernel panic might be going your way.
 
The Microsoft Surface 2 has a physical escape key - this is a unique selling point!!!

Nadella does lots of things right while Tim Cook is all wrong. Just have a look at devOps, support of Docker, cloud services, support of open standards. Apple feels like Microsoft in Vista times ...
 
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An utterly absurd article. You cannot separate the hardware from the software. There are lots of metal boxes with screens and keyboards, but they are utterly useless without the operating system.
 
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On the other hand they chose a similar price configuration and admitted it has 1/2 the storage and also costs more. You pay a premium for a device that has better fit and finish, software integration and a longer useful life. Oh, and runs Windblows too.
Really? That's what you think you're paying?
 
I think these days computers are so marginalized with similar parts and design that, as stated, it really comes down to OS and ecosystem preference.

Nobody can honestly say that the Macbook Air is better hardware over the Surface, they both ultimately have the same internals and these days PC makers have dramatically improved their industrial design to stop barfing out thick plastic laptop enclosures and now offer sleek metal enclosures, thanks to Apple's influence. What novelties either platorm offer in terms of touch or facial login or some other cute feature is not a primary decision maker, and arguably the MacBook Air has better "ports" in spite of Apple being user hostile with their ports, but not as much as Microsoft that refuses to include modern ports at all on their newest hardware.

I give the Surface a slight edge in industrial design as they are thinner, even by less then 2 mm. I mean ultimately the PixelBook is also incredible for industrial design at only 10mm thick but still having decent Intel processors, but with its limited software support it's not really a contender against the other two.

These days, use what you love as long as it gets the job done. If people these days are still agonizing about Mac vs PC, realize that many people still have old and largely irrelevant biases about Mac or Windows from decades ago as these days PC/Mac are not even first class citizens by these companies anymore as they push us to want to use tablets and phones as our primary digital interface. And when it comes to OS, that is also an irrelevant decision to agonize about because since Windows 10 Microsoft has hit it on the nail for security and usability.

If you live in Windows apps, use Windows, and vice versa, period. Switching because of bias is a waste of your time and money these days, at least for computers.
 
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