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Cant belive people have feelings about corporations…and the audacity to support them by buying the newest and shiniest devices while a lot of folks are struggling for food, rent and utilites…what kind of a dystopian nightmare is this?
 
With Samsung's S23 Ultra, DEX, Camera, and performance leap, expect Apple to sustain a downward trend.
They can't even manage to get rid of that stupid notch which makes no sense.
Johhy Ive never would have signed off on their new designs.
Be sure to tell Samsung to price the 2023 5K ViewFinity S9 monitor cheaper then. :p
 
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Hardly a surprise given the worldwide economic position. It will be interesting to see what happens at the next product launch if Apple has the balls to increase pricing when sales are cooling so much.
 
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No, Apple isn't doomed. Most companies would love to have earnings equal to just one of Apple's quarters.
But it's cash cow (iPhone) will at some point run dry.

What does Apple have in the pipeline that's going to carry through the next decade?
And Tim, I really hope you're not betting the farm on this VR headset. Please tell me you have more.
 
"Looming recession"? US GDP was up 3.2 percent in the most recent quarter.
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"The challenge for them is to not ease too soon, but to ease in a timely way," Dudley said.

I don't mind putting more cash into consumers hands with Bank/Credit Unions interest going up from its abysmal rates to lately above 4% for a year term here in the states. That will help stores and companies out, in spite of the arguments against interest hikes.
 
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I’ll upgrade when apple releases something worth upgrading for. iPhone 14 sucks. Apple Watch series 8 sucks. They can keep them, and it appears I am not the only one who skipped them. Maybe this’ll teach them a lesson and iPhone 15 and Apple Watch 9 will be more interesting. Otherwise I’ll skip those too, it’s not like having the latest iPhone or Apple Watch is a necessity. Most people only bothers if they are genuinely exciting, and iDevices lately haven’t been.
Oh please don’t punish Apple! What should Apple do without you???
 
Hurts as a shareholder, but the company remains strong. The stock price will recover when macro conditions improve.

IF you can afford it it's a STEAL at this price!

As a long term shareholder you'd have certain thresholds for lows that automatically sell. Then to also automatically repurchase until your absolute bottom threshold has been crossed. Again not day trading or emotional purchases but long term investments.
 
Cant belive people have feelings about corporations…and the audacity to support them by buying the newest and shiniest devices while a lot of folks are struggling for food, rent and utilites…what kind of a dystopian nightmare is this?
Some people need to work harder or smarter. Even go get a second job if necessary. Instead, some people post in forums in the middle of a work day
 
Ouch! Devastating news. This is going to be tough upcoming months for Apple. Folks, stop holding on to your devices and upgrade!
I am nearly financially independent. Meaning that I am close to not needing a job in order to not only survive, but continue to grow my net worth. I didn't get to this point by upgrading consumer devices so as to keep my stock holdings' value up.

As a result, I was able to pay cash for my car (not new), a washer and dryer, my last iPhone (12 Max Pro), my MBP Ultra, and a couple years ago, my iPad Pro whatever-whatever.

I would love to own Apple stock, but I've been saying for months now that it's going to be harder and harder for them to achieve the growth of stock value like they did in recent years. I'm sure that post is still out there somewhere on MacRumors...maybe from last May or something?

I’ll upgrade when apple releases something worth upgrading for. iPhone 14 sucks. Apple Watch series 8 sucks. They can keep them, and it appears I am not the only one who skipped them. Maybe this’ll teach them a lesson and iPhone 15 and Apple Watch 9 will be more interesting. Otherwise I’ll skip those too, it’s not like having the latest iPhone or Apple Watch is a necessity. Most people only bothers if they are genuinely exciting, and iDevices lately haven’t been.
iPhone 14 does not suck. Neither does Watch 8. I'm still happy with my version 12 and 6 devices for now, but...what are you, five years old?
Well you are going to need Apple devices to place an order for food, bills and rent. 🙈
If I need food, I can visit my garden in the summer. And then there's a Publix 3 miles away. If I have to rough it, I'll figure out how to get there without Siri or Waze. ;)
I didn't know my current Apple devices were incapable of doing those things.
lol, I also have an Amazon Fire tablet. I'm sure I could figure out how to order a pizza from that.
The iPhone Pro models get the headlines, but the bulk of Apple's revenue comes from non-Pro devices. If customers aren't interested in regular iPhones, that's a big deal.
Apple doesn't break out their profits like this. I don't know how you would have reason to know it, unless you have access to insider information. In which case, you should probably not be disclosing it on a public forum.
AirPods are almost like a subscription with recurring revenue due to their disposable battery design. If Apple doesn't think consumers are buying those this year, that's a pretty bad sign of things to come.
AirPods won't be the succeed or fail product for Apple.
Maybe they will start innovating again...
Well, the way you say it sounds bad. But you're not wrong, and here's why: "something new" is almost always behind every successful business valuation story, and this goes at least back to the 1930s and earlier. That something new can be a product. It can be a new service. It can be a new PROCESS or WORKFLOW that makes a product or service more efficient to make, less costly to produce, or even cheaper or faster to get into the customers' hands. It can be new automation. It can be something that reduces errors or malfunctions. It can be a new way of thinking, or a new way of doing.

It's not that Apple is no longer innovating, because we all know that they are, even now. But they need to find a way to move the needle on BIGGER innovation. They need something a lot more than a push. Something along the lines of a shove. or maybe even a full-on body-block or tackle. A new camera is a push. A whole new paradigm (though I don't know what that would be) would be a tackle.
He is not alone. There are lots of people that have no care to upgrade. The innovation out of apple is stale.
Stale is a strong word. But you also are not wrong.
You forgot how much debt they are sitting on.
OMG, almost 200% debt! That's screechingly frightening.

But who are we to complain about debt, when the US is $22.72 trillion in debt, and barely collects 2% of that ($565 billion) each year in taxes?

Oh and here's this...

The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (38.8 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (29.2 percent). - from https://taxfoundation.org/publications/latest-federal-income-tax-data/
We really SHOULD stop spending money we don't have. We can't help the world when our own country is in such poor financial shape.
 
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I am personally getting bored of iPhones to be honest and nothing wrong with a majored (is that the word?) product of course! but I like to play with new things #nerd

I am considering next gen Samsung Flip/Fold or the Google Fold Whatever just to try something else for fun. I'll still have my two "older" iPhones for my iOS needs. I am used to having 3 phones simultaneously
 
Help Timmy out, his stock options make up most of his income.


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Apple is no longer a company that makes a product that makes you want to keep using it, instead, it makes a product that traps you inside of it with ecosystem. The analogy is being at home (where you want to be) vs being at home (because you have to be).
 
With Samsung's S23 Ultra, DEX, Camera, and performance leap, expect Apple to sustain a downward trend.
They can't even manage to get rid of that stupid notch which makes no sense.
Johhy Ive never would have signed off on their new designs.
Not sure if this is tongue in cheek, but that’s not what’s going on. This is all of big tech getting crushed by a very different macro environment than we’ve seen in a long time. Check out the numbers for Meta, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Tesla, Nvidea, Netflix, etc.
IF you can afford it it's a STEAL at this price!

As a long term shareholder you'd have certain thresholds for lows that automatically sell. Then to also automatically repurchase until your absolute bottom threshold has been crossed. Again not day trading or emotional purchases but long term investments.
I am a long term shareholder and don’t agree with the bolded part. It assumes that you can time the market (sell low but rebuy lower). Maybe there are savants who can, but they’re day traders, not long term investors.

Long term investors only sell when the fundamentals of the company change for the worse or some better opportunity arises. Right now, I don’t see either of those being true, so I will hold AAPL, collect the meager dividend, and wait for better market conditions. Not financial advice.
 
Comparing the two, Tesla is worse off with 106.465USD. -16.715(13.57%). see ticker.
Apple is a lot better 124.79 -5.14(-3.96%) see ticker
Yeah, Elon needs to find qualified people to administer and run Twitter fairly so that he can focus on Tesla. Or vice-versa; it probably doesn't matter which he chooses to focus on. But each is probably more than a full-time job by itself. I think Space-X pretty much has experts in most of the top roles, but who knows. What was that movie where the little furry aliens would jump off of a roof and split into two beings upon hitting the ground? Maybe something like that is needed here.

But also in his defense, he has acknowledged a fact of life with Tesla, and that is the limited supply but massive demand for lithium and other materials needed for wide fleets of EVs just in the US, let alone worldwide. The world doesn't make enough lithium and nickel to go all-EV by 2035. For this reason, Tesla is presented with a much more serious math problem than maybe Apple is. Hundred-pound battery packs for cars use an order of magnitude MORE lithium than the little woodchip you find in iPhones and even iPads.
 
Apple is no longer a company that makes a product that makes you want to keep using it, instead, it makes a product that traps you inside of it with ecosystem.
I know we like to discuss ecosystems, but some forget that a lot of us are not trapped whatsoever. We all can choose alternatives at any time. Hoping for Apple fans that iOS 17 represents a lot of change against your concerns.
 
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Forget Apple...my future is getting destroyed right now...and a lot of middle America 401Ks with the combination of inflation and shrinking asset savings. Tough times.
You are 100% correct. And the US financial system comes under more and more risk of collapse every day and every time we increase our debt load. Eventually, equilibrium will be found, but like an earthquake or volcano, it's going to be a violent event and it's going to hurt a lot of people.
 
Cant belive people have feelings about corporations…and the audacity to support them by buying the newest and shiniest devices while a lot of folks are struggling for food, rent and utilites…what kind of a dystopian nightmare is this?
Some of the worst virtue signaling I’ve seen in these forums. People do have feelings about corporations, many negative and many positive.
 
Apple is no longer a company that makes a product that makes you want to keep using it, instead, it makes a product that traps you inside of it with ecosystem. The analogy is being at home (where you want to be) vs being at home (because you have to be).
I dunno, I like all my Apple junk.
 
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