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You are telling some version of history that doesn’t exist.

Home computer scene was growing very fast in the 80s if you include Commodore and other companies.

MSX based computers were massive in Asia and the kids who bought them learned to code and became some of the best arcade and productivity software engineers. We would not have legends like Hideo Kojima without MSX.

Almost all the classic games were developed by indies developers coding in their bedrooms during this period in the 80s. Legends were made in the programming world.

In your reinvention of history the world had no computers at home until PCs in the 90s.

Actually home computers were a fast growing market until the mini recession around the 1990 period.



VR is a dud with consumers. Meta made all its money outside VR and the Reality Labs division is losing more and more money. Consumers are not interested in goggles and waving arms around in the air like a lunatic.


12 years old kids in the 80s : I am sitting here in my bedroom writing machine code on bare metal and teaching myself programming languages and hacks nobody has invented yet.

35 years old VR bro in the 2020s : 😭 why doesn’t anyone want to join in VR land it’s so lonely here. This is the future 🥲


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C64 and IBM PCs at the time (1980s) certainly built up good momentum compared to what came before, but they were niche devices that average people didn't see a need for, with many owners of such devices in the home letting it collect dust. The revenue/sales generated by C64, the single best selling PC unit at the time, was no higher than Meta's Quest 2 today, and we still consider VR niche, no? Therefore, VR is no more of a dud than PCs were back then.

I have the benefit of wide statistical data on my side - you do not:

PCs being seen as in search of a use: https://www.academia.edu/320362/1980s_Home_Coding_the_art_of_amateur_programming

Many PCs collected dust: https://wayback.archive-it.org/5902.../www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf01313/patterns.htm

Overestimations of market growth: https://archive.org/stream/09-commo...agazine_Vol-08-N09_1987_Sep#page/n51/mode/2up

They were seen as having no compelling use in the home: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yS4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA66&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Another report in the low usage rates:

Sales growth had some slowing down with hardware companies dropping out in early to mid 80s:

People were unable to find value/usecases for home PCs:

Market growth looked like it was declining to some and wasn't useful in the home, therefore a fad:
Regarding Reality Labs, the same can be applied to various R&D efforts at Apple such as their custom silicon which took a good few years to build up and make profitable. That's the point of R&D - you spend money for years at a time before you are able to make it back through the products being developed by the same processes.

What is this nonsense? The use cases for computers were already found in the 80s. We did not need to wait for PCs and Macs. They caught up later.

When my parents escaped communist Poland and brought us to the west the first thing my father did when he saved money is buy us computers so we would be ahead of other students.

My first computer was Dragon 32, then we had BBC Micro at school. All schools were buying this. We were learning BASIC.

Then I had Commodore 64 and learned Commodore BASIC. This computer was a smash on both sides of the Atlantic.

The British kids also had more choices than Americans. They had Spectrums and Amstrad computers. The French were importing MSX systems from Japan.

Japan had even more choice. The Sharp X68000 ahead of most computers of the day. It was a beast.

Without these Commodore, Sharp and MSX systems all the home computing and gaming advances would not have happened. These systems birthed some of the best developers.

Oh, and how do you think arcade and console Sega and Nintendo games were made? They were not made on PCs and Macs.

Then came Amiga. I learned animations and sound sampling on this. At the time Macs didn’t even have color screens.

There was Atari ST. This was the computer of choice for famous music producers and pop musicians because it had a MIDI interface.

Go find the origin of Logic Pro. It derives from the Atari ST.

In your world view there is only PC and Mac. The 1980s was a much bigger landscape of computers. Those home computers at the time had better graphics and better sound than any Mac or PC at the time.
 
What boat? VR has been a failure for other companies so far.
I truly believe we are on our way to merge our digital and real life in more profound ways then us staring at Tiktok videos on a flat glassy rectangle…
I have no clue if Apple will hit or miss the mark, and what product will be the breakthrough to the public at large, but I indeed expect it to happen at some point. I consider current VR implementations as clumsy and expensive tech demos, and as such niche products (as the first Apple glasses will be). So yeah, they might fail as well. It is early days!

Let’s see what happens😊
 
tbf the iOS interface is just palmOS or Pocket PC 2.0 but with high res graphics and a GPU behind it.
... but with capacitive screen. THAT was the difference. Resistive screens sucked... and pinch to zoom. pinch to zoom was a real "wow!" selling point at the time, especially for over 40s who couldn't see close up and were still embarrassed about reading glasses.

Dumbing things down (simplifying 😆) for a less than average person used to be Apple's strong suit. Stupid people (also greatest gen and older boomers) were willing to pay more for an interface they could finally use. Less so now - Apple basically expects everyone to have a familiarity with a touch interface - lately Apple obviously thinks it's totally fine to have invisible options that often need a Google search, or even a forum discussion to find or figure out. I've been stumped several times with iOS in the past 4-5 years and had to ask on the forums here. Especially to find options that Apple would prefer to do away with - like skipping updates.
 
What is this nonsense? The use cases for computers were already found in the 80s. We did not need to wait for PCs and Macs. They caught up later.

When my parents escaped communist Poland and brought us to the west the first thing my father did when he saved money is buy us computers so we would be ahead of other students.

My first computer was Dragon 32, then we had BBC Micro at school. All schools were buying this. We were learning BASIC.

Then I had Commodore 64 and learned Commodore BASIC. This computer was a smash on both sides of the Atlantic.

The British kids also had more choices than Americans. They had Spectrums and Amstrad computers. The French were importing MSX systems from Japan.

Japan had even more choice. The Sharp X68000 ahead of most computers of the day. It was a beast.

Without these Commodore, Sharp and MSX systems all the home computing and gaming advances would not have happened. These systems birthed some of the best developers.

Oh, and how do you think arcade and console Sega and Nintendo games were made? They were not made on PCs and Macs.

Then came Amiga. I learned animations and sound sampling on this. At the time Macs didn’t even have color screens.

There was Atari ST. This was the computer of choice for famous music producers and pop musicians because it had a MIDI interface.

Go find the origin of Logic Pro. It derives from the Atari ST.

In your world view there is only PC and Mac. The 1980s was a much bigger landscape of computers. Those home computers at the time had better graphics and better sound than any Mac or PC at the time.
Dragon 32... were you in Europe... also the Acorn, the progenitor of the iPhone. Amiga had a cheap plug in midi interface that worked great. STUPID COMMODORE MANAGEMENT. The crash and burn of Amiga is the greatest travesty of computing history. If commodore had marketed in the mind blowing way the way Apple does today, there would be an Amiga in every room in every building on earth by now. Two in fact. Hell we would all have implanted Amigas.
 
What is this nonsense? The use cases for computers were already found in the 80s. We did not need to wait for PCs and Macs. They caught up later.

When my parents escaped communist Poland and brought us to the west the first thing my father did when he saved money is buy us computers so we would be ahead of other students.

My first computer was Dragon 32, then we had BBC Micro at school. All schools were buying this. We were learning BASIC.

Then I had Commodore 64 and learned Commodore BASIC. This computer was a smash on both sides of the Atlantic.

The British kids also had more choices than Americans. They had Spectrums and Amstrad computers. The French were importing MSX systems from Japan.

Japan had even more choice. The Sharp X68000 ahead of most computers of the day. It was a beast.

Without these Commodore, Sharp and MSX systems all the home computing and gaming advances would not have happened. These systems birthed some of the best developers.

Oh, and how do you think arcade and console Sega and Nintendo games were made? They were not made on PCs and Macs.

Then came Amiga. I learned animations and sound sampling on this. At the time Macs didn’t even have color screens.

There was Atari ST. This was the computer of choice for famous music producers and pop musicians because it had a MIDI interface.

Go find the origin of Logic Pro. It derives from the Atari ST.

In your world view there is only PC and Mac. The 1980s was a much bigger landscape of computers. Those home computers at the time had better graphics and better sound than any Mac or PC at the time.

Bingo. We had C64s in high school.

As I said to the member initially, his recounting of the history is just wrong. Computers, starting with time sharing on mainframes, had already entered the public consciousness. They were swiftly and widely deployed in industry and in homes. As far back as the Heathkit people were clamoring to get computers in their hands. Why? Because the many potential use cases were 1) obvious and 2) already rolling out on various nascent platforms.

So my point continues to stand. There’s absolutely no direct comparison between the wide spread adoption of home computers and the potential success of Apple’s pending xrOS device.
 
I truly believe we are on our way to merge our digital and real life in more profound ways then us staring at Tiktok videos on a flat glassy rectangle…

What makes you think a majority of people want this?? I’d submit that in recent years the general trend has been AWAY FROM “merging digital and real lives,” not towards it. The first time we tried this it resulted in social media and the outcome was… less than ideal.

I have no clue if Apple will hit or miss the mark, and what product will be the breakthrough to the public at large, but I indeed expect it to happen at some point. I consider current VR implementations as clumsy and expensive tech demos, and as such niche products (as the first Apple glasses will be). So yeah, they might fail as well. It is early days!

Let’s see what happens😊

I’m sure that RJ Reynolds would he capable of creating the best cigarette anyone has ever smoked. But that doesn’t mean that said cigarette would be widely popular. Smokers would love it but…
 
What makes you think a majority of people want this?? I’d submit that in recent years the general trend has been AWAY FROM “merging digital and real lives,” not towards it. The first time we tried this it resulted in social media and the outcome was… less than ideal.



I’m sure that RJ Reynolds would he capable of creating the best cigarette anyone has ever smoked. But that doesn’t mean that said cigarette would be widely popular. Smokers would love it but…
Not merging? Screentime for the average user has been increasing dramatically over the years, with the number of users growing towards a 100% of people that have internet access. As an example: have you been to a concert recently? Watch the huge number of people watching the concert through their phone screen as they are recording, instead of being ‘in the moment’. People film and photograph their whole life, from birth to death, and are posting it online. And they are doing it through their phone, which they have to hold ‘awkwardly’ in their hands…

But like I said, the future always surprises us with how it unfolds. Maybe we’ll skip the glasses and go straight to neural implants 🤷🏻.

By the way, your analogy with cigarettes is actually spot on. AR/AI is probably the worst addiction humanity is about to face, far worse than the mess ‘social’ media has put us in. I never said the current developments are overall good for us.
 
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This is the first iteration of a MRH. As we all know …buying the first model of anything leaves alot to be desired as it will be greatly improved over time. So if you buy Apples MRH just know that it’s a basic model of something new and as such it needs to be improved and fine tuned
 
Not merging? Screentime for the average user has been increasing dramatically over the years, with the number of users growing towards a 100% of people that have internet access. As an example: have you been to a concert recently? Watch the huge number of people watching the concert through their phone screen as they are recording, instead of being ‘in the moment’. People film and photograph their whole life, from birth to death, and are posting it online. And they are doing it through their phone, which they have to hold ‘awkwardly’ in their hands…

But like I said, the future always surprises us with how it unfolds. Maybe we’ll skip the glasses and go straight to neural implants 🤷🏻.

By the way, your analogy with cigarettes is actually spot on. AR/AI is probably the worst addiction humanity is about to face, far worse than the mess ‘social’ media has put us in. I never said the current developments are overall good for us.

Under 40 I take it?
 
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Sure. And then there are those of us who wear actual watches on our wrists and don’t want or need a tech toy taking up that valuable space.

Traditional watches are jewelry. I have a lot invested in them. The ugly Apple Watch doesn’t fit my style and never will, no matter how functional it becomes. And of course I’m not alone.
My decent Seiko watch is collecting dust. A great watch but not nearly as useful.
 
Not merging? Screentime for the average user has been increasing dramatically over the years, with the number of users growing towards a 100% of people that have internet access. As an example: have you been to a concert recently? Watch the huge number of people watching the concert through their phone screen as they are recording, instead of being ‘in the moment’. People film and photograph their whole life, from birth to death, and are posting it online. And they are doing it through their phone, which they have to hold ‘awkwardly’ in their hands…

But like I said, the future always surprises us with how it unfolds. Maybe we’ll skip the glasses and go straight to neural implants 🤷🏻.

By the way, your analogy with cigarettes is actually spot on. AR/AI is probably the worst addiction humanity is about to face, far worse than the mess ‘social’ media has put us in. I never said the current developments are overall good for us.

Nightmares.

But the public, the users and consumers are growing tired. You can see it on these forums with only a small number of optimists and enthusiasts. The majority are more pessimistic and realistic after seeing so many years of promises and hyperbole from tech companies and futurists.

They have bigger concerns now. Like the cost of living, the environment, privacy, equal rights, etc. They've seen all these issues eroded by tech companies and tech addiction.
 
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