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I think the trash can Mac Pro was just a bit ahead of its time - today it could actually be an incredibly versatile machine with a quad M1 Max setup, keeping expandable ram (Keep a baseline amount on die but have a second tier of RAM), allowing for multiple M2 slots and a ton of Thunderbolt 4 ports. Would be smoking fast, last a long while and be expandable enough (Thunderbolt 2 at the time didn't cut it.) Also - most importantly - Apple could actually upgrade it every year or two to keep it up to date since they control all the designs...
 
To all of you hypocrite saying you like the Magic Mouse and charging it is a non-issue. You need to get better lying… ? it’s a complete failure when it’s completely inoperable due to charging. I can’t think of a single other product that has that issue aside from Apple Pencil 1.
I’ve used the Magic Mouse for years and I don’t think it’s as bad as people say it is. You have to charge it what, 2, maybe 3 times a year? And something like 10 min of charging get you enough juice to finish the day before letting it charge for a couple hours.

Of course, I’d prefer the port to me moved in a more convenient place (and to be USB-C). I just don’t think it’s that bad, the mouse is still very usable in day to day
 
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Per the original Apple Pencil, it was designed to charge that way...
If only the (then) new iPad Pro had had some sort of new magnetic docking system with electrical contacts for charging (not inductive charging)... oh, wait, it did but somehow the Pencil wasn't designed to use it.

...because the tech for inductive charging in that form factor was really ready yet.

Tell that to the 2011 Galaxy Note and various Samsung tablets (or the old Wacom tablet from the early 90s somewhere in a cupboard) where the stylus was inductively powered from the screen/tablet and didn't need a battery... and those were proper, high-resolution, pressure-sensitive stylii, not plastic fingers.

If the Pencil had been designed to work with existing iPads and Phones - meaning that it had to rely on capacitive sensing for position and use bluetooth for pressure sensitivity etc. - then Apple would have had an excuse... but it only worked with new iPads which (like the Samsung devices) could have been fitted with proper inductive digitisers alongside the capacitive sensor.
 
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One wrong move and you’d need to get a new expensive pencil and the charging port fixed or replaced. If only there had been a technology around to charge the pencil not with the iPad, but with a thing that charged the iPad, too. It’s not like you could charge both at the same time anyway. And if you like this way, Apple could have made a durable adapter so you could still do as you do.
The the pencil came with an adapter cable in the box, IIRC.
 
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Without Steve Jobs guarding the gate, Johny Ive would go too wild and eventually drag down the company.

Flattend ugly UI was the start
 
So... was the Apple Pencil Gen 1 released without the adapter?
When I bought my first iPad in 2020 the Pencil came with an adapter in the box. But since a lot of people act as if charging it via the iPad was the only way to charge it, I was unsure if maybe the adapter was Apple trying to do some damage control.

Pairing is still awful with it having to be plugged in like that.
And I would go as far as saying that the Gen 2 Pencil only charging and syncing when attached to the iPad is not ideal, either.

The mouse on the other hand... yeah, that's bad.
I also don't particularly like using a mouse in macOS. It always feels sluggish to me, like it's extra slow when I'm only moving it a short distance. Broad, fast stroke are fine, it's really just the small distances that feel like I have to make an effort.
(If that's a user error, please feel free to let me know what I'm doing wrong.)
Ok thank you for the searing logic of reminding complainers about the pencil. Yes the initial intent was a bit...odd.. to make the pencil into a dagger, but it still had the the alternative readily available. Apple isn't stupid, just sometimes myopic.

At least the pencil had a self-charging/connection option you were out for a 15sec == 30min quick charge. If it didn't, people would've exploded.

Maybe it's the people who are permanently myopic and are offended when Apple challenges them on it thus causing them to publicly announce ones own embarrassment. Strange times we live in...
 
Magic Mouse -

I'm sorry but the angst over the mouse charging is so overblown, I still can't understand it.

A single charge last for a long time, and there is a quick charge feature to get a full days power in a few minutes.

Are people really that clueless that can't charge the thing when they take a lunch, go to the bathroom, or overnight when they are sleeping? Where's the complaints about the crappy ergonomics? Where is a vertical version for those that need it?

MacPro -

For the home user, the Mac Pro is great but I can completely understand pro users having major issues.

Aipods Max -

I never noticed the case before, that is awful, it looks like a bra.

Butterfly Keyboard -

I know I'm in the minority, but having arthritis in my hands, I find the butterfly mechanism so much easier and comfortable for my hands.

Apple Pencil -

Again, way overblown, it came with an adapter to plug in a lightning cable. You really only ever needed to to plug it into the iPad to sync. Was the adapter a great solution, no. It's tiny and easy to lose, but charging via iPad was never necessary except for an emergency.
 
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But then you couldn't use it either while charging. Also the Magic Mouse charging situation is such a none issue in real life, unless you're dumb enough to ignore the low battery warning for days or weeks. ?‍♂️
With recent macOS versions I get a single "low battery" alert for my Magic Mouse and it's usually right around 3% charge remaining. Unless I manually check it I frequently wind up with a dead battery in the middle of working.
5-10 minutes of charging will get me through the day until I can lay it on its side or back for a few hours to fully charge.
 
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I've always liked the Magic Mouse, but every time I see a photo of one on its back for charging, I chuckle. I'm sure it's not that limiting in real use, but it's still a strange design decision.
It's not, people just like to complain for clicks/likes.
 
The Magic Mouse is an example of something that looks like poor design, but honestly isn't.

1. You can't use it while charging, which is by design. That should be obvious.
2. It's supposed to be a wireless mouse, and leaving it plugged in all the time is what most people would do. So ergonomically, forcing people to unplug it to use it is the intended use case.
3. Leaving the mouse plugged in all the time would also have implications for the battery; constant charging would be bad for it. Letting it drain while plugged in would be confusing.

Should Apple have made a charging dock or something similar? Probably. But making it impossible to use while charging is exactly what was intended, and it was executed quite well. And I've never met anyone who has one that cared one lick about it.
Can you actually provide evidence of any of this?
 
The AirPods max case is actually good tho if you don’t like it you can buy a alternative hard case from Amazon ?
 
You don’t hear about bad Logitech computer designs.
Or how terrible the Dell phones are.
Or how Nvidia really screwed up their tablets this year.
Etc. etc.
....maybe because this isn't "Dell rumours".

I think you'll find plenty of threads here critiquing Logitech products (particularly their driver software, and not including the unified receiver in the Mac edition of the MX Master) - their mice are better than Apple's but that doesn't mean that they are perfect. And, of course, when an arch competitor like Samsung messes up (the exploding Note, the flakey foldable phone) it is trumpeted here.

OTOH I don't recall Dell ever selling a $300 coffee table book full of artistically lit monochrome shots of Lattitude laptops.

Apple sell premium-priced products and brag endlessly about all the design awards on their (probably award-winning) mantlepiece. They're asking to be held to a higher standard.

Also, most of the examples here aren't Apple pushing the envelope: Mice have been around since the 1980s, decent optical mice that had one job to do and did it well since the 90s and wireless, rechargeable mice that you could charge on-the-go have been available for years. The problem with the Tragic Mouse II isn't that it pushes any envelopes - it's that Apple took the years-old Magic Mouse and expended minimum effort when they switched it from AA cells to fixed rechargeables. As for the Pencil - battery-free stylii - with all the pressure/angle sensitivity trimmings - have been around since the 90s and in Samsung phones and tablets since 2011. There's no technical genius required to look at an early sketch of a headphone carrying case and say "God, no - that looks like a bra!"
 
“Apple's Most Questionable Design Decisions in Recent Memory” — they’re missing all the software ones.
 
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The Magic Mouse is so bad for me, not just in terms of charging, but daily usage that I started buying Logitech master mice.

The pencil thing is also quite obnoxious. We have kids. The cover for the pencil disappeared within weeks. I have an iPad Pro, and the pencil solution there is so much better.

I liked the Mac Pro design, but for a top of the line machine, with no expansion? Ridiculous. Pair that with no upgrades for the internal Radeon video cards, which often die due to heat damage, especially the R700s, it’s laughable. My work computer was a bottom of the line, so the heat issue wasn’t so dire, but the thing did a great job of heating my office.

The headphone cover was silly, and for the amount of money those headphones cost? Also, the top of the line headphones can’t do lossless or analog? Wow.

The keyboard was a serious misstep. My wife’s computer needed 2 new keyboards. It’s in my closet now with another broken keyboard. And a charging problem. And the stage light issue had to be repaired. I skipped that whole generation after seeing her experience.

Siri Remote? I haven’t used the new one, but we lose the last gen one all the time.
 
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....maybe because this isn't "Dell rumours".
I think you may have misinterpreted my first paragraph. It wasn't to say "why aren't you bashing Dell and others", it was to say Apple gets compared against companies that make only those devices in that genre. I actually wrote just that.
 
To be honest, the position of the Magic Mouse charging port never really bothered me that much. You only have to charge it once o month or so anyway. And when I receive the notification that the battery is running low, I still easily make it through the work and just plug it in afterwards.
However, the old Siri Remote really was an absolut nightmare. I never really figured out how to fast forward or how to rewind. The touchpad was just terrible. And I don't how many times I accidentally closed the app because I held the remote upside down.
 
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I have a 1st generation Magic Mouse and I love it. I have two pairs of rechargeable batteries that I just swap as needed. I’ve been using the same two pairs of rechargeable batteries for eight years.
This. I have had the same mouse and set of recargable Eneloop batteries (thousands of cycles each) for as long as I can remember (likely since month one of the MM1 intro). The real downside of the new mouse is it becomes landfill after a few hundred cycles. Apple could have kept MM1 around and included some high-life cycle batteries (higher sales price vs. MM2) as part of Tim's "optional" "real environment saving" product line, but there is just so much profit in the pure disposable culture, and a dual line would have made PR/Mktg a bit more difficult because Tim/Lisa/Apple would have to acknowledge some environmental downside to the new/shiny/profitable. Apple really is reprehensible for creating so much e-waste, yet no one really seems to care.
 
The AirPods max “case” is fine for having somewhere to stick the AirPods when they’re on your desk so they don’t get desk junk on em.

I think the problem is calling it a “case” when it’s more like a sleeve. if it was $500 for AirPods + smart sleeve, I think people would be more accepting.

As a “case” it’s the chintziest case you could include.
 
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Mac Pro 2013 was fine and quite innovative for many point of view.

AppleTV remote for me was fine, I have both old and new and for some things I like the old design better.

Butterfly keyboard issue was exaggerated for clicks and made even bigger by whiners. It was real, but I loved it feel, how it was clicky but low, anyway everyone seems happy now.
 
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Eh, the only true fail is the butterfly keyboard. Hated it. I thought Apple Pencil charging was just fine, it was really fast. And newest Apple TV 4K remote is fantastic, best remote we’ve ever had.
Definitely the butterfly keyboard was an unforced error that effected people. Everything else on this list is is a case of “don’t like it don’t buy it” or “didn’t like it returned it.” If you needed a MacBook, that keyboard was your only bad option, barring having a second keyboard with you. I didn’t have any issues with my butterfly keyboards. Owned a 2015 12”, 2016 12” which I still have, and the 2016 15”. Guess I got lucky.
 
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