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Would def still buy the old one. It does everything that you expect an ULP to be doing.
Screen tech is decidedly old, but for on-the-road computing is more than enough and there's external monitors for those who need more.

Now, if Apple stopped being greedy and knocked a good 100$ off the price of the old Air, I would buy one immediately.
 
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my 2010 macbookpro has 2.66GhZ and 8ram, and it's entirely gimmick-free. nothing produced since 2010 can beat this for me.

I don't want thinner or lighter
i don't want a joke keyboard, or a touchbar

give me better, bigger, heavier ... and give me back my glowing apple!
 
Screen tech is decidedly old, but for on-the-road computing is more than enough and there's external monitors for those who need more.

Add an external monitor *and* retina-screen iPad via the duet app, and you have 3 solid screens going, 2 with higher resolution. Sure, you miss out on higher resolution when in just-laptop mode, but that truly isn't the dealbreaker for many that Apple makes it out to be. Same for a few ounces of weight or fractional mm's of thickness if it permitted greater battery life, more port flexibility, and swappable SSD/RAM...
 
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I'm still happy with my mid 2012 MacBook Pro. Replaced the original HD with a 1TB drive and have all the ports one could ever want. Magsafe, firewire, thunderbolt, 2 USB, SD slot and headphone jack! I'm going to try and keep this thing running forever.
Same!
 
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After getting the new MBA, I gave my head a shake and returned it for a refurb 2018 tbMBP.

I wouldn't be surprised if a LOT of the folks on these forums memsmerized by the 'shiny new' mba do the same thing. It may take some of them a few months, but my guess is your reaction will be shared by many.

BTW, keep us posted on your experience with that keyboard - as far as failures are concerned. I want to think I can trust that thing but for now I couldn't bring myself to buying one then having the keyboard disable my laptop and have it in the shop for a week.
 
Add an external monitor *and* retina-screen iPad via the duet app, and you have 2 solid screens going, 2 with higher resolution. Sure, you miss out on higher resolution when in just-laptop mode, but that truly isn't the dealbreaker for many that Apple makes it out to be. Same for a few ounces of weight or fractional mm's of thickness if it permitted greater battery life, more port flexibility, and swappable SSD/RAM...

Yeah I mean, it's a bit ghetto computing, but to me it is a perfectly workable solution.
For sure, not for the hardcore consumerist fanboy who has no money problems, but I do and don't want to pony up to Apple's greed.
 
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I'm still happy with my mid 2012 MacBook Pro. Replaced the original HD with a 1TB drive and have all the ports one could ever want. Magsafe, firewire, thunderbolt, 2 USB, SD slot and headphone jack! I'm going to try and keep this thing running forever.

Which route did you go for your 1TB? I'm contemplating the same.
 
Are you referring to the butterfly keyboard being bad in general (all the laptops have it now) or has the 3rd generation butterfly keyboard shown to be as faulty as the 2nd and 1st? I haven't heard the official word on the 3rd generation reliability
I've only used the first two versions, and haven't really seen any improvement. They just don't feel good to me. Luckily my 2017 MacBook Pro butterfly hasn't failed (yet).
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Did you seriously list "No glowing Apple logo" as a negative? Seriously, who cares. It doesn't affect the functionality in the slightest. The keyboard is fine, now that it's been fixed in gen3.
I actually am a big fan of the logo. Gave the Mac notebooks something that stood out. As for keyboards, I really don't like v1 or v2, so really doubt I'd like v3. They are so flat and clicky. They just don't feel good to me.

Both things are just a personal preference.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if a LOT of the folks on these forums memsmerized by the 'shiny new' mba do the same thing. It may take some of them a few months, but my guess is your reaction will be shared by many.

BTW, keep us posted on your experience with that keyboard - as far as failures are concerned. I want to think I can trust that thing but for now I couldn't bring myself to buying one then having the keyboard disable my laptop and have it in the shop for a week.

What's stranger to me is that typing on the MBP is noticeably better than the MBA but they supposedly have the same gen 3 butterflop.
 
As someone who suffered from a glowing apple logo on the INSIDE of the screen of my 2013 MBA after traveling around in my bag with files (pressure against the lid), I can safely say the removal of the glowing logo is, indeed, a positive.
Ouch. I don't think I'd like the inner logo either, but I still like the outer one. :)
 
I dunno - I read this comparison, and I can't help feel that the author's mind was already made up - a determination to endorse the new Air, regardless.

The Air was never meant to compete with the Pro - what it could do and people got it knowing it's limitations. Earlier ones (even my 'old' 2011 11") could still do some miraculous things with picture, video and sound manipulation, but its popularity grew from its ability to day-to-day notebook use - Office, internet, video and audio playback - in a mobile and (for Apple) inexpensive full MacOS experience. It had a good keyboard, a decent enough screen to see what you were doing in building a letter, report, term paper or spreadsheet, and all the ports you might need to connect up to peripherals at hand.

The comparison (as do many reviews) goes straight to the retina screen - obviously lovely to look at, but is it really necessary to fulfill the tasks users ask of an Air? And, what, maybe next year when 4K screens are the lust-worthy product - people will sneer at the retina. Speed? Depends on who you talk to / the review you read as to whether there is an improvement - and again, what's the point, given what is often asked of the Air? A smaller, black bezel around the screen: cosmetics. The keyboard: v3 of the butterfly, and what doesn't die, people dislike for 'feel'. Ports: Begone MagSafe and Welcome to Dongles and Adapters to fit the peripherals in the real world!

Oh, and and you get to pay $200 more than last year's model for all this? Or, as I like to point out - this spring (even / or especially because I was following the rumors of a New Air this fall), I upgraded to a 2017 Air 8/256, bought through the Apple Refurb Store - and what now turns out to be more than $CDN500 less than I would pay for an equivalent New Air. Do I feel I lost out? Absolutely not. Oh, and all of my peripherals plugged in (and were instantly recognized) with nary an additional dongle purchased.

I just don't see the New Air necessarily becoming the instant hit the 'old' one was - certainly the MacBook (at roughly the same cost as the new) never took hold as the de facto coffee shop office workhorse - why would this be different?
I expect folks who actually do work on these notebooks will hold onto their old one even longer than they normally would. For the Macolyte though, it is new and sparkly and comes in three colours!
 
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Function over form, you have the better machine anyway.

you know what, to me a worthwhile upgrade is getting something new, something special. Not just a little bit faster or slimmer, but a whole new experience. talked about that with a friend of mine just today.

E.g. I never owned an Apple Watch, so I got an Apple Watch and it is a great, a new experience. Upgrading for the sake of just a couple of Mhz more or a thinner device, a somewhat better screen or just having the latest and greatest .. to me it is not worth it. Of course anyone is free to do as he pleases (then of course there are people who rely on faster and better machines for work, no argument here)

If I would not already own my Air and would want to buy an Apple laptop today ... I do not think I would get the Air, neither the old one nor the new one. I would go for a nTB MB Pro
 
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the nTB has the 2nd gen keyboard if that doesn't bother you.
One big reason i want to try the mba 512/16gb over the +300usd more mbp 512/16gb, is that the pro becomes ~2200. And 2k is way too much for a laptop that's not 15", and to me 512/16gb *is* the base model : )

I'm testing out the mba i just got under 2560 x 1440 with switchresx (heh i'm used to a 2013 mbp). so I'm also testing 13" generally along with testing the Air.

keyboard is clacky and shallow. not a problem just different.

its pretty fast so far, i noticed a couple really small blips but I'm also zooming around installing stuff and syncing dropbox/icloud.
 
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I agree that the soldered 128 GB SSD is problematic especially considering the price point, but how is not having USB-A ports planned obsolescence when USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 is the newer / faster standard?

Oh sorry I should have been more clear, you can buy a slim 128GB USB-A which is so thin you can leave it permanently attached to the macbook. While it's not ideal or perfect, it was a decent workaround. With USB-C the port is so small, Apple successfully killed this workaround.

Another similar option could have been the SD card, which was also killed. There are some really slim SD cards that you can leave attached permanently.

So Apple not only soldered the 128GB in the stock macbook, but also made any workaround impossible, forcing guaranteed planned obsolescence.

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the nTB has the 2nd gen keyboard if that doesn't bother you.
One big reason i want to try the mba 512/16gb over the +300usd more mbp 512/16gb, is that the pro becomes ~2200. And 2k is way too much for a laptop that's not 15", and to me 512/16gb *is* the base model : )

I'm testing out the mba i just got under 2560 x 1440 with switchresx (heh i'm used to a 2013 mbp). so I'm also testing 13" generally along with testing the Air.

keyboard is clacky and shallow. not a problem just different.

its pretty fast so far, i noticed a couple really small blips but I'm also zooming around installing stuff and syncing dropbox/icloud.

Refurb 2018 tbMBP is an option.
 
I went to the Apple store yesterday and they had a new Air next to a 13" Macbook Pro. They are far more similar than different (size and shape wise) and I was astounded that Apple sells both of them instead of just one of them. What's the point?
 
I still enjoy my Mid-2012 MacBook Air.. apart from the better screen (which you don't notice until you compare them side by side) there's simply NO reason to upgrade at all. Everything I use is still super fast and smooth, even Lightroom is perfectly usable.

Most people use their Airs just for mail, browsing and light office work.... nothing that the 2012 can't handle.
The only think that is better is the size and weight. I loved my 2012 pro with an ssd. I was given a 2017 macbook pro i7 for work and it looks great, but lots of downsides. I hate the haptic feedback trackpad. I want a real, physical click. Bad keyboard and dealing with dongles is a real hassle. I have one for ethernet and usb and one for hdmi.
 
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