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Apple's New 27-Inch iMacs Experiencing Performance Issues?
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Damn, that's the stupidest thing I've read all day. Congratulations.Snow Leopard = OSX Millenium Edition
Snow Leopard = OSX Millenium Edition
Clearly you've never used Windows ME. Even if I was head over heals in love with all that is Microsoft, I still wouldn't like ME. It was a turd. Windows 2000 Pro, on the other hand, was a great OS for it's time.
Yeah, just like COBOL. The words interfere with your understanding of the words.
You twist my *words*. I said that all of the words interfere with the understanding of the *code*. I can't see the just the parameters of a method invocation - there are all these extra words around the parameters.
Do you really print out hard copies of your code and read them?
I never do, I read code inside the IDE so that I have color and other highlighting of the language elements. I'm already in the IDE, so the mouse is there.
Which is why I said "for example" in regards to VS. You claimed that it was a major problem to lookup function prototypes (or whatever) when you wanted to see the parameters. I said that's something that is easily handled by the IDE - as long as it's trivial to "look them up", problem solved.
My point is pretty simple - I find the less verbose code easier to read, as long as my IDE gives me a simple way to expand attributes when I need to. Hover, escape, function key - doesn't matter. Most of the time I remember what the parameters are, and prefer less verbose code. If I don't remember, or want to double-check, as long as I have a simple way to find the attributes I'm happy.
so ive decided to quote and reply to my own post. i have just tried the same video under win with firefox and latest flash player and here are my findings:
firefox cpu load during hd playback: fluctuating between 5% - 12%
no other higher process loads noted when showing process from all users.
very interesting... to me anyway.
forgive me for not reading the whole 22 pages , but has the issue that the CPU usage of the computer is identified as a "System" process been brought up? to me this would indicate that it isn't a Safari problem but possibly something more.
, but has the issue that the CPU usage of the computer is identified as a "System" process been brought up? to me this would indicate that it isn't a Safari problem but possibly something more.You mean the extra words around the parameters that describe those parameters? Right. That's what makes it more descriptive that C-style methods. The common initial reaction to Objective C or Smalltalk syntax is "that looks weird, and it's really verbose". That's because it is weird compared to what most programmers are accustomed to. The common opinion after using is for awhile is "it's really nice and makes the code far more readable".
What do you think? Of course I don't print out hard copies. On the screen, it's much faster to read code without having to hover over everything with your mouse. And yes, I know you can adjust your intellisense response time but instant popup code hints get pretty damn annoying pretty fast. Also, sometimes you read code outside of VB, say on the internet or in a book.
No, I never said anything of the sort. Go back and read my post. I have no problem with good IDE features making up for language deficiencies, but it's nice when a language doesn't have those deficiencies to begin with.
It's sort of like Java's lack of true properties. It's not that big of a deal in practice because any modern IDE will write -- and refactor -- getters and setters for you. But, at least in my opinion, true properties built into the language are superior to dependence on an IDE. C#, ActionScript and Obj C 2.0 (and I'm sure others) got this right and it makes for more descriptive and maintainable code compared to the JavaBeans convention.
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion like everyone else. The fact still remains that Obj C/Smalltalk syntax has far more descriptive method names. If you want to dispute that, compare a method that takes 5 or 6 arguments in C-style syntax and the same method in Obj C and then tell me with a straight face that the C-style method is just as elegant and comprehensible.
I had some of the slow down problems with my new 3ghz C2D 27" iMac
I migrated from 2006 Intel iMac running leopard.
What I did were the typical things, repaired the permisisons, checked (which reported some errors) and repaired the disk.
I think the main thing was to remove the Flash plug in from Safari, and re-install it.
Testing over the weekend and so far it hasn't missed a beat, even in memmory intensive apps like Photoshop CS
There still could be a problem with the video driver, but this will be fixed with a software update.
Has anyone mentioned that some screens appears a little darker from the top to the bottom.
Put a finder at the top left, and one bottom left, the white part looks a little darker with a yellowish tinge.
I tried this and did notice a difference, but not sure if it just caused by the viewing angle, or an optical illussion depending on the screen back ground.
P.S. Coding nerds, wtf has C vs Java or whatever got to do with the subject at hand. Take it to the my Nerd is bigger than your Nerd thread.
I migrated from 2006 Intel iMac running leopard.
What I did were the typical things, repaired the permisisons, checked (which reported some errors) and repaired the disk.
I think the main thing was to remove the Flash plug in from Safari, and re-install it.
Testing over the weekend and so far it hasn't missed a beat, even in memmory intensive apps like Photoshop CS
There still could be a problem with the video driver, but this will be fixed with a software update.
Has anyone mentioned that some screens appears a little darker from the top to the bottom.
Put a finder at the top left, and one bottom left, the white part looks a little darker with a yellowish tinge.
I tried this and did notice a difference, but not sure if it just caused by the viewing angle, or an optical illussion depending on the screen back ground.
P.S. Coding nerds, wtf has C vs Java or whatever got to do with the subject at hand. Take it to the my Nerd is bigger than your Nerd thread.
nope didnt see it, how can this update be done? via Software Updater?
what about the 4850 cards?
come on apple
figures.....thats what happens, sacrifice quality for quantity.***sigh****
hopefully this isn't where apple is headed even though it seems that way
figures.....thats what happens, sacrifice quality for quantity.***sigh****
hopefully this isn't where apple is headed even though it seems that way
Poor BlackLabel, don't you wish. It's just needs a new driver, you know like Windows. Unlike Windoze, it's actually available.
This is why Windows and Android are doomed. Things have changed, it's no longer necessary to build you own, it's all there already. Since Apple controls their own ecosystem, they don't suffer from tons of suppliers.
LOL
But don't all 27" Imacs have ATI Radeon graphics? How will an Nvidia driver help?
Yup. Doomed. It's all over. Chapter 11 bankruptcy for Microsoft.
No, you will keep buying them, don't understand why, but you will.
No, try again. Remember the old expression, you get what you pay for. BTW, how is that working out for you.
It's great that nobody is listening to you.
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There's also "buy what you need". I won't argue that the MSI outperforms the cheapest Apple laptop that's almost 3 times more expensive, but for a typical user looking to surf the web and email it's just as capable as the Apple.
And, BTW, how are you coming with an answer to "But don't all 27" Imacs have ATI Radeon graphics? How will an Nvidia driver help?". I think your claim that the performance issue is solved is in trouble.
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And why post a link to sales of MP3 players - has all the cooking sherry clouded your thinking?
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Because not everyone wears tight shirts (dressing like a clueless hipster) and sip Starbucks all day long while playing with iChat. If everyone did that then Mac would probably have more than a tiny 4% worldwide marketshare. Also people are usually smarter than to bend over happily everytime Apple comes out with an overpriced piece of hardware like Apple fanatics do!
It wasn't that long ago that Phill Schiller was jumping up and down on the stage showing photoshop benchrmaks to prove PowerPC owns the "Wintel" platform and that Macs had the performance edge; ironic that they had to face the rality and switch to Intel. Till yesterday it was all about Mac having superior hardware; now Apple fans are happy paying for ATI Radeon 4850 card that is considered obsolete in the PC world; also nobody watches Video on their iPod and iPod HiFi outperforms all the audio systems out there....
Even a Dual Core Celeron is overkill. Though I'm not complaining about how much CPU you can get from Intel or AMD for $50 nowadays. It's amazing.
It always comes down to something anal with you. Very tacky, but normal.
I find it odd that those who proclaim to be free thinkers are Windoze supporters. I would think you would at least have gone for Linux. Not to take off on your anal nature, but you seem to be more like sheep than Apple fans.
The iMac 27.5" Core i7 is very competitive, compare it to any store bought PC with similar parts and a 27.5" 2560x1440 res screen you'll find it is comparable imo (if not cheaper), also it knocks any all-in-ones I've seen out of the water (both screen and components).
Even spec'ing up a PC to build on NewEgg didn't come up too much cheaper imo.
If you want to game at the highest settings on the highest resolution and won't compromise then I don't think the iMac is for you, but I think most people don't mind.
Even spec'ing up a PC to build on NewEgg didn't come up too much cheaper imo.
Does it matter what is considered obsolete in the PC world? this card should handle most games just fine and I'd guess even Crysis on low/med settings on max resolution or med/high/very settings on a lower resolution.
If you want to game at the highest settings on the highest resolution and won't compromise then I don't think the iMac is for you, but I think most people don't mind.
Then why not use 5750 or 5750?
The cards are built on 40nm technology, they have better performance and they consume less power and they also support Directx 11 which may not matter on a mac platform but if you dual boot it can come handy. The price difference is negligible to nothing and it wouldn't have hurt Apple to include these chips rather than last year's graphics technology
As for Gaming, 4850 does fine when it comes to gaming at 1680 X 1050 resolution but at 1080p resolution it doesnt perform that great; considering iMac 27's screen resolution (which is a plus), this card will fail to perform adequately
Sometimes it is hard for Apple sheeple like you hipsters to accept the fact but it is what it is. Windows (or Windoze as you like to call it) owns the operating system market with a %90+ marketshare; Apple's worldwide marketshare is a rounding error compared to Windows. No wonder corporations stick to PCs to get the real work done rather buying macs to make garageband songs....
PS: How's that "iDelete" feature working for you? Has it freed up the space on your hard drive? Or you are too busy trying to make Flash work on your $2000 imac, something that a netbook can do easily................................