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Apple's New 8-Core Mac Pro Shows Up in Benchmarks
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Indeed, we are looking at the new headless iMac. Maybe Apple will do like iPads after an upgrade and keep a lower priced version around for low-end users that want 4K screens. I don't think a 4K screen iMac is posible in the next 5 years or so but the consumer market will want it.
I don't think Apple is that stupid. And besides the bad pricing of the Cube, performance was nothing special - at least these will deliver on the performance front.
Who says this is low end? Intel makes 4 and 6 core xeons that would run in these machines.
Very much so. And that graphic is dishonest, half of the things pictured would also be external on the current MP. Pro audio users are using FW and TB boxes right now, nobody has a bunch of audio cables running straight to a PCIe card.
They say "up to" 6GB, implying that's the high end and there will be lower graphics options, although it looks like all may be dual GPU. I don't think we're necessarily looking at a price hike.
More specifically this is an 8 core that matches the old 12 core. That is progress, particularly considering the slow improvements intel has been making on workstation chips period.
It's progress for Intel, not for Apple. The fastest Mac you'll be able to buy will be roughly on par performance-wise with the fastest Mac you could buy 3 years ago.
If you have four SATA II HD now, you might as well move them to USB3 chassis (and put them together in a single one). Those drives aren't nearly fast enough to require TB. And external blu-ray is cheap. You'd just need a TB chassis for that one SSD drive, not the end of the world.
Depends on the xeon. The quad starts at $300, six core at $600. Obviously the fastest chips available with the most cores are never going to be cheap. And the Cube was way overpriced for the tech and specs it included, that's the main reason it was such a big failure.
Speculation, entirely possible that assumption is totally wrong.
I'd much rather see three or four of the pcie SSD slots so users can add more on their own.
Intel announced the chips the same day iPhone was announced. TB2 is brand new technology, it's possible Apple is waiting on intel for final versions of chips. Plus it seems likely that this will ship with 10.9 which is still a few weeks from release.
Did you read the chart? This 8 core mac is roughly on par with the fastest 2010 12 core and not much behind the 12 core from last year. There will also be a 12 core version, which will be quite a bit faster than the current 12 core.
True, but some users mainly need CPU power, and an older MP can't compete unless you swap out those CPU. Not a cheap upgrade nor an easy one.
Considering it's $1700 just for the eight core CPU…
But they could offer a decent quad for that price. And a six core for about $400 more. For this machine the sweet spot of price and performance is probably the six. Xeon E5-1650 v2 (12M Cache, 3.50 GHz) for $583. There's also a 3.7 for a few hundred more, not a huge improvement for the extra cost but Apple could still offer it as one option.
Since when did blu ray players, audio interfaces, and capture cards fit in the old mac pro? What a stupid photo.
I must say that while for my purposes the internal drives and cards are valuable; I can see how things have changed in the pro circle. People nowadays do seem to use external devices more than previously.
I've got all 3 of those in a Mac Pro at work.
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Yup. For Intel.
O.M.G! Big props to Apple for this beast!
Why, it's not out yet and competitors have more powerful machines available to buy now. Why the props?
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The words Apple and lower priced don't go together!!!
I think we could all do without the politics. At least you're not signing your posts anymore.
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IP over Thunderbolt will take a piss on your render farm.
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Because I'm sure "Pros" are as anal as you about keeping all of their cables nice and tidy. Also, show me what you're going to do when you take your project on the road.
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Stop with this cloud nonsense. Nobody is doing professional work in any cloud. It may happen in the future, but I don't think that has anything to do with the current Mac Pro.
and what are you doing? Speculating? Ironic, isn't it?
Next time, try not to belittle others you don't agree with in such a strong manner, it's obnoxious.
Who uses audio interfaces and capture cards on the same machine? Even low budget post houses I worked at never did that.
Ok, just breathe - "woo, woo, hee, hee." It'll be ok.
Seriously, why are people getting worked up over it? It's metal, silicone, cables - not the end of times.
Ok, just breathe - "woo, woo, hee, hee." It'll be ok.
Seriously, why are people getting worked up over it? It's metal, silicone, cables - not the end of times.
That's actually my calm demeanor
Most of my comments were directed at people making ridiculous comments. Mostly I could care less. Yes, I mean literally, I could probably care a little less.
This test does not consider internal storage speeds. So, we can conclude that the processor in a 12 core will very likely be faster in the new machine
PCIe flash is significantly faster than sata flash. So, this new computer has an advantage even over upgraded old pros on all fronts
It's painfully obvious they didn't position this machine for gaming.
What's painfully obvious is they aren't interested in the gaming market, as evidenced in the sort of computers they've been releasing for years now, which is ironic since the gaming market is made up of people willing to pay a price premium for higher quality hardware -- exactly the type of customer Apple is supposed to be catering to.
Not so pricey
I believe the price will surprise us all... I believe a big part of the chassis redesign was intended to drastically reduce enclosure/connector/power supply/assembly cost. Of course that isn't the biggest percentage of the kit cost here but factoring in reduced shipping and packaging and the ludicrous buying power of Apple I am betting it will be quite attractively priced at least for the entry model which as we see here is a solid match for the previous high-end models. Like performance for like performance I would venture to guess at half the price compared to the previous model with the added advantage of future ready peripheral interfaces USB3, TB2, etc. and much reduced footprint and power consumption.
Pretty sure there will be lots of frowns behind this product launch regardless of the happy faces they are trying hard to conceal.
I believe the price will surprise us all... I believe a big part of the chassis redesign was intended to drastically reduce enclosure/connector/power supply/assembly cost. Of course that isn't the biggest percentage of the kit cost here but factoring in reduced shipping and packaging and the ludicrous buying power of Apple I am betting it will be quite attractively priced at least for the entry model which as we see here is a solid match for the previous high-end models. Like performance for like performance I would venture to guess at half the price compared to the previous model with the added advantage of future ready peripheral interfaces USB3, TB2, etc. and much reduced footprint and power consumption.
Pretty sure there will be lots of frowns behind this product launch regardless of the happy faces they are trying hard to conceal.
The problem is that the cost also are increased. Old system one GPU, new system two GPUs. Old system HDD, new system SDD. Number of RAM modules shipped in standard configurations is likely higher also.
The power isn't hugely reduced either. The 900-1000W power supply in current system is in part there because of the other stuff folks might add to the box. There is no "other stuff", but the high power consumers CPU and GPUs are still there. There isn't going to be a huge power drop off. A 12 core E5 and two W9000 equivalent cards are pretty high ( 130W + 2* 250W ==> 630W . That is more than half of old system. ).
More likely this is much closer to a trade-off ( lower some , increase others ) to get back to similar same old Mac Pro price points. Just like the other Macs that come out at about the same price every year. So like the other Macs, same price points with evolutionary more performance packed in them than previous models.
I think the folks using retail market FirePro card prices to peg estimated costs will be surprised, but lots of the stuff that was removed isn't the high cost stuff.
There are always lots of frowns around for any Apple product launch.
I hope they come in colors!
Space gray Mac Pro would be killer.
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Bejeezus, I hope not. Unfortunately I'm having a cringeworthy feeling it may. ;(