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The build mentioned specified i9. Which Ryzen or Threadripper is that?

I know the quoted post mentioned the i9 (the Intel i9-9900, which could mean the Coffee Lake Refresh K-series, or it could be the SkyLake-X Refresh X-series), an Intel product, I asked for specifics on the parts used in the i9 build...

Then I stated that I would like to see an all AMD Hackintosh build, which has nothing to do with the aforementioned i9 build...

Although there are rumors of a Ryzen 9 3850X CPU (7nm, 16c/32t, 4.3GHz base/5.1GHz boost, 135w)...
 
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In other words, form got so far ahead of function that they've damn near sacrificed a market they had close to a lock on. Industrial design, industrial art, is all about Schiller. It's great when you have the competitive, high level product functionality people need and can serve to hamstring your design decisions when leadership starts believing that form is most important.
 
I said goodbye to buying anything apple two weeks ago...

I'm circling that drain myself. I love my iPad Pro (last model, still hesitant about the durability of the new one), so I don't see moving away from that. I like my MacBook Pro, but there's really not much special about it. I built a PC with specs around yours for gaming and anything that needs power. Even my Apple Watch is getting a little stale. I'm beginning to pine away for my watch collection -- especially when I go to the mall and pass a showcase with cool-looking watches.

Tim has definitely been a drag on Apple. I had a reminder of that yesterday when I took my son's phone in to take advantage of the battery replacement program that Apple was dragged into kicking and screaming.

Something's got to change...
 
How much can you get a 2012 Mac Pro for these days?

With kids I can only ever justify 2nd hand Macs these days. If I could get a 7 year old quad-core Xeon for like $500-1000 and put a $500 GPU in it I reckon I'd be pimpin'!!!

You could do that with ease.
 
well that is a given..
But it hasn’t always been like this. I have always purchased their pro models but after seeing the stupid prices of the new Mac mini and the fact they’ve just bumped up all the prices it’s going to be ridiculously overpriced.
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Just wait: You'll be back...
I made the switch to Windows a few years ago and I couldn’t be happy. Sure, I miss macOS but I’d much rather get more power for my money and then have money left over.
 
I pulled an early 2009 4,1 from the trash at my complex. Had Snow Leopard and a password lock. Wiped it, flashed bios to make it a 5,1, put a $45 200gb SSD in it and installed High Sierra. Runs super quick and feels no different for normal daily at-home computing.

It’s from 2009!

I ‘could’ go nuts with further upgrades too, as this is what the design allows for. We need this back!
 
It did, and it sounded nice too. Aka you couldn't hear it. The "thermal core" design was efficient. Except there are reasons nobody else does that.
not accurate -- I constantly get high temp notices on the SDD in my 2013mpro - requiring me to force the fan to run higher - and it can be heard.
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for some reason the 5 year obsolescence rule does not apply to this product, last time I checked apple was still selling the 2013 model for an outrageous price, hello Tim 5 years old already dude, we need new a new model, I just hope it doesn't cost as much as a 2019 car or a new house. spoiler alert, today apple has re invented the Mac Pro, this is by far the best Mac Pro that apple has ever created, lol, is like i can just heard the words.

:D
Makes one wonder how long they will continue to support it with iOS upgrades.
 
What I find a bitter pill to swallow is their pricing structure.

With the one exception that I know of, the price has remained the same. If I were in Tim's shoes, I'd have dropped the price each year it wasn't upgraded. Look at the Mac mini too, four years until it was updated, yet the day before the launch of its successor, it Apple were still charging the price as when it was released. Selling products which use five year old hardware at launch prices seems ridiculous to me and screams of greed.
 
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What I find a bitter pill to swallow is their pricing structure.

With the one exception that I know of, the price has remained the same. If I were in Tim's shoes, I'd have dropped the price each year it wasn't upgraded. Look at the Mac mini too, four years until it was updated, yet the day before the launch of its successor, it Apple were still charging the price as when it was released. Selling products which use five year old hardware at launch prices seems ridiculous to me and screams of greed.


You don't get rich by being generous now do you?
 
All those waiting for a 2019 Mac Pro are going to be disappointed. It won’t be truly modular, it won’t feature Nvidia GPUs (important for a huge part of the pro market) and it’ll cost an absolute bomb.

I’m wondering if apple and nvidia are purposely delaying webdrivers because they don’t want people setting up a Mac mini or iMac with an RTX or Titan card because they will be options in the new Mac Pro and apple will want people to desire the upgrade.... nah prob not... Vega 64 is the best they will get...
 
I bought a Mac Pro 1,1 in 2006 and then a 6,1 on launch day 2013 (although it didn't arrive until 3 Feb 2014). I had been planning to wait for the 2019 version, but when my 4K LG monitor died last month and with no idea what's coming from Apple (and when) I decided to bring my next upgrade forward a bit and have purchased an iMac Pro.

It's my first AIO, but I must say it's excellent. Perhaps Apple were correct when they said that many pros would be happy with alternatives to the Mac Pro.

With the iMac Pro, Mac Mini and even MacBooks no doubt fulfilling much of the pro space these days, it seems likely that the new Mac Pro will be very high end (and very expensive). If you analyse Apple's few comments on what's coming they've said that the new machine will be for customers with the most demanding needs.

I'm still excited to see what's on the horizon as surely they can't mess it up again but for me, the upgrade ship has already sailed. Maybe in 2024...?
 
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I cannot wait for the new modular Mac Pro. It's the #1 product that I've been wanting for the last two years, more than any other electronic or non-electronic device. The next Apple event can't come soon enough!

Hope you have $4000+ to spend.
 
i said goodbye to buying anything apple two weeks ago when I built my PC/Hackintosh. I think I spent about $2400 on
everything, i9 9900, 32gb RAM, 2tb NVME, SSD boot drives, Vega 64, AIO cooler and a slick case. Easily upgradeable. Runs windows and Mojave just fine. Stays at 34c during all tasks. I couldn't justify spending nearly 7K on an iMac Pro to get close to the same performance editing 4K videos, and photos. I would love to see another cheese grater design. I loved mine, but i think apple is done with the pro market as long as Timmy is around. He needs to go.
I'm interested in this -- can you install os updates like normal or is it a constant game of playing with kexts?
 
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i said goodbye to buying anything apple two weeks ago when I built my PC/Hackintosh. I think I spent about $2400 on
everything, i9 9900, 32gb RAM, 2tb NVME, SSD boot drives, Vega 64, AIO cooler and a slick case. Easily upgradeable. Runs windows and Mojave just fine. Stays at 34c during all tasks. I couldn't justify spending nearly 7K on an iMac Pro to get close to the same performance editing 4K videos, and photos. I would love to see another cheese grater design. I loved mine, but i think apple is done with the pro market as long as Timmy is around. He needs to go.

So, you resorted to "borrowing" the OS.:rolleyes:
 
Man, that design sure didn’t age well. Will be interesting to see how Apple reimagines the new Mac Pro form factor, but I think we can safely say that we will never be seeing a rehash of the old tower design.

Just for kicks, I went back and re-read Anand Lal Shimpi's review of the 2013 MacPro - https://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013

The review is exhaustive and once I read it, I understood better the compromises that Apple's engineers were forced to make given the parameters with which they had to work within. Unfortunately, the parameters are largely self-inflicted - with one MAJOR exception. As we approach 2019, my hope is that same mistakes are not repeated.

While the Xeon CPUs Apple chose to use were fine, the C602J PCH is/was the Achilles Heel of the 2013 MacPro and would have been even it Apple had opted to create a traditional cheesegrater tower (more on that later). All of the C6xx PCHs of that time were based on PCIe 2.0, and contained a meager x8 lanes of PCIe 2.0. Adding insult to injury, the bus connecting the 4-core, 6-core and 8-core CPUs to the PCH was/is a DMI 2.0 bus (5GT/s), maxing out at 2GB/s. Looking at the diagram, the amount of ports hanging off of that PCH is both amazing AND disheartening, once the compromises come into play.

The review reminds us that the C602J PCH did not natively support USB 3.0 and Apple had to add support using a single x1 PCIe lane attached to a Fresco Logic USB 3 controller. With the benefit of hindsight and my recollection that Mac users back in the day (2011-2012) were at a fever pitch for Apple to add USB 3.0 support to the Mac lineup, I am pretty certain the average Mac Pro buyer would have been fairly seething to be asked to purchase a Mac Pro in 2013 without USB 3.0, considering that every other Mac being sold at that time had at least two (2) USB 3.0 ports.

I am also betting that the same users would have also been seething had Apple neglected to include SSD storage as the default storage choice in the 2013 Mac Pro, although some will argue that a 2.5" SSD would have been good enough for them at the time. To that I say, "Mule Fritters!!!".

Had Apple gone the traditional tower route, they would have been somewhat better off, but not completely out of the woods. The constraints on the USB 3.0 ports and the SSD storage would still remain, as neither of those could/should be hung off of the CPU back in 2013.

This brings me to the CPU and the x16 lanes that Apple used for the second GPU. At the time of the Mac Pro's development (2011-2013), IIRC, multiple GPU rendering was viewed as viable and the next big thing. One wonders if a PCIe 3.0 switch would have been possible after reading this article - https://www.microway.com/hpc-tech-tips/common-pci-express-myths-gpu-computing/ - although I do not know if this was a viable path back in 2011-2013. Also, with a single GPU card in the x16 PCIe 3.0 slot, it really would not have mattered that much anyways.

Freeing up those x16 lanes would have allowed Apple to give us one x8 PCIe 3.0 slot and two x4 PCIe 3.0 slots on the Mac Pro's motherboard, along with the six (6) Thunderbolt 2 ports. That would have been pretty tantalizing to most Pro users who were fairly underwhelmed after the introduction of the 2013 Mac Pro.

The biggest downside to this scenario, and the one I believe was the main constraint on Apple's engineers, was what to do with those six (6) Thunderbolt 2 ports. At that time, Apple was determined to make Thunderbolt a thing for passing DisplayPort signals as they were (and still are) seemingly obsessed with the single port, do everything approach. This obsession goes all the way back to the Quadra 660AV and 840AV (DB15) and the Apple Display Connector (ADC). The lack of an elegant solution to allowing a user to attach their Thunderbolt display to the Thunderbolt 2 port on the back of their Mac Pro while still being able to tap the power of the discrete GPU plugged into the x16 PCIe 3.0 slot, whatever the engineering issues were back in the day, I believe are what led Apple to move to the non-expandable cylinder still currently on sale five (5) years on.

I will be very interesting to see if Apple has solved, or even tried to solve, this particular issue as it relates to allowing users to exchange GPUs when faster ones become available in the future.

SPOILER ALERT: I do not think they have, nor are they trying to engineer a solution. I think Apple will sell modules with fixed GPUs engineered into them and/or license it to third parties (maybe). Again, I do not think the Mac Pro will use cables to connect these modules together, but will use some sort of proprietary connector with a proprietary interconnect standard and a backplane if they have figured out how to pass PCIe 3.0 over/through/encapsulated within PCIe 4.0 to allow full bandwidth and first class citizenship to each and every module within the limitation of the CPU and PCH PCIe lane counts (~x68 lanes total for 1S configurations). The next year should be very interesting indeed!!! And possible maddening as well!!! Happy New Year!
 
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