I must be in a small minority. Never cared about the bezels on the monitor. I think it looks great. And trash can Pros are beginning to be available in the $1500s on eBay. That's a pretty great price.
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Apple's Newest Mac Pro Turns Four Years Old Today
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Panned by everyone except those of us that own one. Owners seem to love it. Was a bold vision of the future. Everyone is excited for a new modular MacPro, while the 2013 was aleready designed as a modular. The idea always was to add an external array for storage and another for PCIe expansion via Thunderbolt.
Mine is coupled to a Pegasus R6, remote dock via a 10meter TB cable along with a 10GBe adapter.
Now with affordable egpu boxes proliferating, the future is finally here. All the new modular MacPro is going to be is basically the cylinder with updated components in a new box. Yet no one seems to understand the concept of the Cylinder being the core of a modular system. Maybe now that TB3 has finally started to get supported by the PC side, the market has finally caught up with the concept.
Mine is coupled to a Pegasus R6, remote dock via a 10meter TB cable along with a 10GBe adapter.
Now with affordable egpu boxes proliferating, the future is finally here. All the new modular MacPro is going to be is basically the cylinder with updated components in a new box. Yet no one seems to understand the concept of the Cylinder being the core of a modular system. Maybe now that TB3 has finally started to get supported by the PC side, the market has finally caught up with the concept.
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Apple should spin off the Mac division into its own subsidiary with employees who actually care to make and update them regularly. Apple Inc only cares about phones, Beats, thin, their campus, Tim Cook's politics, lame self-produced content, and emojis.
Lots of complaints from people that will never buy a high-end Mac no matter how good it is.
I think we designed ourselves into a bit of a thermal corner, if you will. — Craig Federighi
What people want is something like this:
I'm really interested to see what the new display will look like.
If they took the Thunderbolt Display and made it 5K, added a better mic, better camera, better speakers and more ports to act as a hub since the new MacBook Pro's only have USB-C. Oh it would be perfect.
I mean, just look at it, it still looks great, even with the huge bezels. The sturdy aluminium design is still lightyears away from that new LG monstrosity.
Edit: And while you're at it, add a HDMI port. It would be great if I didn't have to use a separate display to play on a console once in a while.
I’m with you on the hdmi port. I still use my PC and one reason is because I like to have my Xbox hooked up to a smaller screen than a large 65 inch tv.
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Everyone on here has complained for years that we want more powerful macs and it seems like Apple is finally listening to us. More power will mean more money.
One thing you know is, it'll be their thinnest display ever*.
*: because clearly that's the spec that concerns everyone the most.
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"It was a tale of forbidden love, between a red kite and a cylinder full of electronics."
Apple needs to prove they can chew gum and walk at the same time. A new Mac mini should be unveiled at the same time as the new Mac Pro. And it should be expandable as well.
You have to admit that at the time, it caught everyone by surprise. And I think that, along with "it just works", is what makes Apple Apple.
Okay, fine, let's have the three graphic artists who draw the emojis go over and help the software developers working on macOS/iOS by... what, exactly? Drawing inspirational posters to put up on the walls in the software developer offices?
If you only have keyboard and a mouse in front of you it's ok but if you are loaded with external controllers such as 3D mouse, UAD stuff, Console1, Push, Wacom, Grading panel, trackball, etc then the really last thing you want to have sticking out of your PC are internal components as it becomes a hot mess on the table. Concept of modular PC case is to have it all inside one compact place sitting somewhere remotely. I prefer PCI option over external whenever possible. BTW Promise products are high quality and Pegasus is one of the best RAID cases out there, really good stuff if you need to swap drives for physical delivery.
Every computer currently offered for sale by Apple has limited thermal capacity due to design over substance approach. Best advice you can give someone is to stay away from compact units if you are relying on GPU a lot. I've seen many melted MBPs with dedicated GPU (weakest MBP point due to insufficient cooling) and I've experienced iMac throttle to netbook performance levels once it gets hot inside.
After all Mac Pro is still the best option if you want a proper Apple PC. It's still better than new iMac Pro because of many reasons.
No, let's have those three designers clear out their desks to make room for three dedicated developers that focuses on consistency and quality. Howzat?
recently switched to windows
hardware wise its awesome
performance same thing
the explorer flat out sucks !!!!
3rd party to get the space bar preview and it only works on some files
no thumb preview for adobe PS files or PDF ?
when saving in PS you can only see what you are saving so example you are working on a PSD and you save as jpg you can now only see other jpg in the folder nothing else really stupid
no way to easy tag colors etc.. sure you can star rate but that is right click go into dialog then cck a tab then cick again and again and again
no column view SUCKS
so I thought HEY I am in the program more anything and well like a really bad soar throat and you then realize how much you swallow daily well you realize how much you use the finder/explorer
sadly my mac pro could not keep up anymore and I was forced to get something better and the current iMac did not cut it ?
I hate the windows OS but am forced into it sadly and I hate it
the current iMac pro is a joke and wont buy for the money I can live with the crappy explorer there is a point of idiocy and the OS X is not what it was with more beach balls and security and things happening to it
bottom line as I understand the old OS X team is no more they have been pulled and merged into the other areas of apple and the current OS X dev team is kinda not so good lower level and other things ? no idea if this is true but its what I keep reading and the current situation seems to reflect this
so even with a machine its now a bit like choosing the less of two evils and not sure even with a new one unless its reasonable and for sure %100 upgradable I will ever go back
even things like the upgrade path for the GPU are always way to much $$$$ outdated and limited
sadly many working pros are in a bad spot
choose a great OS and limited or serious overpriced hardware
or crappy os and superior hardware options
also IMHO and many others the new iMac pro is a throttling over heating dust collecting mess waiting to happen and with a sub par screen compared to NEC or Eizo ? OK for a second monitor but again dead end on GPU updates in a few years to keep current etc.. sad really sad
hardware wise its awesome
performance same thing
the explorer flat out sucks !!!!
3rd party to get the space bar preview and it only works on some files
no thumb preview for adobe PS files or PDF ?
when saving in PS you can only see what you are saving so example you are working on a PSD and you save as jpg you can now only see other jpg in the folder nothing else really stupid
no way to easy tag colors etc.. sure you can star rate but that is right click go into dialog then cck a tab then cick again and again and again
no column view SUCKS
so I thought HEY I am in the program more anything and well like a really bad soar throat and you then realize how much you swallow daily well you realize how much you use the finder/explorer
sadly my mac pro could not keep up anymore and I was forced to get something better and the current iMac did not cut it ?
I hate the windows OS but am forced into it sadly and I hate it
the current iMac pro is a joke and wont buy for the money I can live with the crappy explorer there is a point of idiocy and the OS X is not what it was with more beach balls and security and things happening to it
bottom line as I understand the old OS X team is no more they have been pulled and merged into the other areas of apple and the current OS X dev team is kinda not so good lower level and other things ? no idea if this is true but its what I keep reading and the current situation seems to reflect this
so even with a machine its now a bit like choosing the less of two evils and not sure even with a new one unless its reasonable and for sure %100 upgradable I will ever go back
even things like the upgrade path for the GPU are always way to much $$$$ outdated and limited
sadly many working pros are in a bad spot
choose a great OS and limited or serious overpriced hardware
or crappy os and superior hardware options
also IMHO and many others the new iMac pro is a throttling over heating dust collecting mess waiting to happen and with a sub par screen compared to NEC or Eizo ? OK for a second monitor but again dead end on GPU updates in a few years to keep current etc.. sad really sad
Eye catching design to be sure, but by the same token they whiffed on the design. They rolled the dice on thinking Mac Pro customers would want a computer with limited upgradability and lost.
Still I do like the design
Still I do like the design
The price point is really too high for the majority of customers. How many "pro" users are out there who really need a Mac pro and are willing to pay so much for a computer?
My point is the Mac Pro, and even the iMac pro, is counting for such a small percentage of their income that it doesn't really make a difference for them if they release a wrong product, as the trashcan was. Even selling double or triple the number of Mac Pro every year would impact their income so little we could barely notice. Of course the more stuff they sell, the happier they are, but I don't see them bothering too much about the pro market. Consumer market is where big money come from, and that's their focus. I'm not saying I'm happy, but that's the way it is.
The Mac Pro design is clearly wrong and the product is 4 years old, if it was really important to them they wouldn't have waited so long to release something new, and we don't know when it will come to the market, could be the end of next year or even 2019.
Apple will never release a modular Mac, call it Mac Pro and price it like an iMac, making it affordable for a lot of people. I'd love that, but isn't going to happen. It will be priced at least as the iMac pro, or maybe slightly less since you have to buy an external display, but is going to be too expensive for the mass market, and even for many "pro" users.
I'd love a new Mini and the ability to upgrade RAM and storage, but I don't think they'll ever make one.
What's the second hand price for these? Could be a great MacMini.
Just a shame that the price has remained a constant. It’s a market Apple didn’t have to care about, but they’re in it and it looks bad to let it fester and stagnate. It’s like sticking in a crummy marriage for years and years — fix things and make them better, or cut your losses and get the hell out.
Comparing entry levels, its being bested by MacBooks and iMacs today. Its very poor value for money with 2013 performance. As an owner, I would not recommend anyone to buy one, buy an iMac that runs circles around it. My MacBook Pro, outperforms mine... sad ... actually, as the Mac Pro is suppose to be Apple's top dog performance wise. Nothing in it matches a 2017 iMac..... its a long way performance wise actually, and that is not even talking about the iMac pro.....
Hey, why don't they give it an edge-to-edge screen, but with a notch cut out of the top for the FaceTime camera...? That would be magical.
But seriously, the main shortfall is not the looks, but the ergonomics: no height adjustment, no real left-to-right swivel, no VESA mounting unless you order it BTO, no front/edge-accessible USB ports (not so important if the new display is primarily for the MP and not also intended as a dock for the MBP)...
I wouldn't hold your breath, since, as part of their ongoing war on versatility, Apple even seems to have convinced LG to leave off the extra inputs that feature on most other LG displays.
...the biggest dealbreaker for Apple displays to date. I also have a PC/Linux box, an older MBP with DisplayPort, a Raspberry Pi... so a display that will only work with a post-2016 TB3 Mac is a major no-no. I've accepted partial defeat on this by buying a 5k iMac - but I have a cheapo Dell 4k sitting next to that which has multiple HDMI and DisplayPort connectors and can be quickly switched between the iMac and whatever other equipment I need to connect.
Of course, not everybody needs to do that... but then, what harm does an unused HDMI or DP port or two do? Raise the price - when its a standard feature of sub-$500 displays?
Just makes you wonder on cost... 2008 Mac pro £1750 start, 2010 Mac Pro £2000 start, 2013 £3000 start 2017 iMac Pro £5000 start... where do we recon? 2018 mac pro £7000 start? Essentially the same specs as the iMac pro but upgradable, a thermally stable better design with no screen. Apple brings out a 5K display for £1.6k, essentially at 10K investment with two screens before you add any other components.
Which ever way you look at it Apple will be bending people over. There has always been apple tax but this is getting silly.
What seems crazy is that these machines are basically aimed at computational science, high end 3d motion graphic creation and 4k videography.
That is such a narrow band of the "Pro" market. I would assume (admittedly with no numbers) that the majority of pros are wedding/event photographers/videographers, graphic designers, web designers/developers. The iMac pro is overkill for most of the above tasks and a quad i7 and a decent graphics card is perfect. But Mac Pros used to be good value... base £2000 2-3 years down the line buy a quicker CPU, graphics card and some more ram get another 2-3 years.
I bought my 2008 mac pro for £1500, the 2010 for £1750...
What is most annoying is for people like me, a wedding photographer and graphic designer who burns through 2-4 4tb HDDs a year, needing redundancy without spending thousands of £ on thunderbolt raid arrays and populating them, one to have access another to back up and another off site to ensure safety from environmental issues or burglary.
Many pros dont need the super high end server security, performance and throughput they need a high end machine that they can expand. Essentially an i7 variant of the iMac that you can actually put drives in. That would instantly save £2k on an array.
So weve got the iMac a very capable machine but you have to have a string of very expensive accessories to give it cMP usability, the Mac pro which is essentially the iMac without a screen and sever components which costs £1000 more and the iMac pro a closed system with no upgradability and nearly twice the cost of anything else in the range.
I am not the only one, many of my professional friends and collegues in the guild of photographers that I belong to have given up. The iMac doesnt provide what they need, the Mac pro was a joke on launch and the new iMac pro is twice the cost of the previous mac pro!
Most are still struggling away on botched upgrades on old 2010/12 mac pros or have moved onto windows machines because they are cheaper and windows 10 is much more stable making it a usable alternative.
Guess what you can add drives to windows towers.... Thats all pros want. Why apple are holding onto the iMac design, frankly I dont care if its thin I want a user friendly machine. No wonder mac sales are way down, they haven't been catering for the majority of professionals for over 5 years.
Im still on my 2010 mac pro, if the new MP is a like expected above that will be me out. There's no chance I will buy a 2013 mac pro as a cheap consolation because your no better off than spending £1000 less on an i7 iMac and you get the 5K display.
People always bang on about ahhh pros can afford them... Ye they can but when you add in advertising your services, insurance, other gear like photographic equipment, CC subscriptions, mode of transport and taking a general living. The more you can get out of a machine the higher the profit margin. Spending 5k over a general 5 year lifespan its still £90 a month. Buying a 5K imac halves that instantly.
Many people dont think about single creative professionals but large design houses, even they arent always so keen to buy 5-6 designers 5k machines.
Which ever way you look at it Apple will be bending people over. There has always been apple tax but this is getting silly.
What seems crazy is that these machines are basically aimed at computational science, high end 3d motion graphic creation and 4k videography.
That is such a narrow band of the "Pro" market. I would assume (admittedly with no numbers) that the majority of pros are wedding/event photographers/videographers, graphic designers, web designers/developers. The iMac pro is overkill for most of the above tasks and a quad i7 and a decent graphics card is perfect. But Mac Pros used to be good value... base £2000 2-3 years down the line buy a quicker CPU, graphics card and some more ram get another 2-3 years.
I bought my 2008 mac pro for £1500, the 2010 for £1750...
What is most annoying is for people like me, a wedding photographer and graphic designer who burns through 2-4 4tb HDDs a year, needing redundancy without spending thousands of £ on thunderbolt raid arrays and populating them, one to have access another to back up and another off site to ensure safety from environmental issues or burglary.
Many pros dont need the super high end server security, performance and throughput they need a high end machine that they can expand. Essentially an i7 variant of the iMac that you can actually put drives in. That would instantly save £2k on an array.
So weve got the iMac a very capable machine but you have to have a string of very expensive accessories to give it cMP usability, the Mac pro which is essentially the iMac without a screen and sever components which costs £1000 more and the iMac pro a closed system with no upgradability and nearly twice the cost of anything else in the range.
I am not the only one, many of my professional friends and collegues in the guild of photographers that I belong to have given up. The iMac doesnt provide what they need, the Mac pro was a joke on launch and the new iMac pro is twice the cost of the previous mac pro!
Most are still struggling away on botched upgrades on old 2010/12 mac pros or have moved onto windows machines because they are cheaper and windows 10 is much more stable making it a usable alternative.
Guess what you can add drives to windows towers.... Thats all pros want. Why apple are holding onto the iMac design, frankly I dont care if its thin I want a user friendly machine. No wonder mac sales are way down, they haven't been catering for the majority of professionals for over 5 years.
Im still on my 2010 mac pro, if the new MP is a like expected above that will be me out. There's no chance I will buy a 2013 mac pro as a cheap consolation because your no better off than spending £1000 less on an i7 iMac and you get the 5K display.
People always bang on about ahhh pros can afford them... Ye they can but when you add in advertising your services, insurance, other gear like photographic equipment, CC subscriptions, mode of transport and taking a general living. The more you can get out of a machine the higher the profit margin. Spending 5k over a general 5 year lifespan its still £90 a month. Buying a 5K imac halves that instantly.
Many people dont think about single creative professionals but large design houses, even they arent always so keen to buy 5-6 designers 5k machines.
While the new Mac Pro did not meet the needs of many in regards to expandability and configureability, from a technical implementation point of view, its a brilliant unit. Something only apple could have pulled off, even though it was more comfortable as a decoration instead of a workstation. Everytime I open mine up, I am very impressed how well it is build and how quiet it is. Still love mine, so can understand why for many it was not ideal.
Anyway, happy birthday, and....... I still have the most Current Mac pro
Anyway, happy birthday, and....... I still have the most Current Mac pro
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