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I have a sense you can use the new MacBook Pro lineup as a template for the new bigger iMac and with similar price structure. The 14 represents where the new iMac will start and the 16 where the iMac can be spec’d up to. I would also expect the new iMac to offer better better/more bang-for-the-buck than the MacBook Pros.

I also suspect the bigger iMac will not be available in colours beyond silver and/or grey. And anyone expecting a 32in. iMac display is dreaming in HD. It isn’t going to happen—it would push the price into the stratosphere.
 
Apple is a company whose products are assembled in China, using South Korean displays and RAM, running European software, on an OS built in the UK, with CPU chips designed in California. And games from Australia.
 
What I would like to know is if we are going to get 27" iMacs, without being these "pro" models.
I want the colors, I want the non black bezels, I want an iMac which doesn't look just like a TV.

The feedback you post today is not going to be reflected in Apple's designs until 2023 or 2024:


"In recent days, Apple design chief Jony Ive discussed his company’s upcoming flagship smartphone, the iPhone X, in two separate interviews. In one, he made clear that the iPhone X was a work in progress that took Apple years to get right. In the second, he suggested the iPhone X is the new standard-bearer for Apple’s smartphone design and that it is already inspiring designs of future smartphones."
 
For me anything larger then 27" needs a curved display to avoid extreme viewing angles. A 27" iMac with a matching external monitor, that would work. With a future mini pro and mac pro, Apple needs a mid range monitor.
 
Why pointless? Lots of people use multiple monitor setups.
I wouldn't say it's pointless, but I guess the argument is that HDMI is effectively 2 generations behind now. Even my 2017 iMac has Thunderbolt and I connect my external monitors with both USB-C and wirelessly. HDMI is fine but not necessary when newer technology with much smaller ports is so well established.
 
I just hope they fix the awful styling mistakes they made with the 24" iMac. I've never actually gasped in horror at a keynote unveiling before!

Grown-up colours, ideally just one rather than 3 clashing ones at a time and no pointless, massive chin please.
 
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Not M2 Pro M2 Max? Kind of sad. iMac certainly have enough room for good cooling for M2 Pro or M2 Max running at full load.
 
I wouldn't say it's pointless, but I guess the argument is that HDMI is effectively 2 generations behind now. Even my 2017 iMac has Thunderbolt and I connect my external monitors with both USB-C and wirelessly. HDMI is fine but not necessary when newer technology with much smaller ports is so well established.
Exactly. no iMac has ever had a HDMI output. It was always a proprietary that needed a breakout dongle or mini-DP/TB or USB-C.

A dongle or a conversion cable isn't a bad thing for a desktop. You don't lug it around like a laptop, hence why Apple finally admitted its wrongdoing and put the HDMI port back on the new MBP. I hope they do the same for the next redesign of the Macbook Air or whatever it will b called.
 
512GB HD? Are you smoking crack? You gonna put "pro" on a machine and put half a terabyte HD in it? COME ON
It’s a desktop, slap a 2TB PCIE 4 NVMe in a TB4 enclosure and save $500+ vs what Apple would charge.
 
If it looked like the Apple XDR Display design would be a dream … thickness and all. Pros have two mini speakers anyway ;)

Put it on a VESA arm … for me this would be the perfect iMac Pro look and design..

PS: Don’t mind having the notch if the bezels come as thin as in an MBP. Heck, if bezels come as thin as an iPad Pro or Apple XDR Display … no need for the notch I guess.
 
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All I want is a notch and a chin. If they could add some spiky triangles running down both sides of the screen that would be killer.
 
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...assuming the GPU has the horsepower to drive it at > HDMI 2.0 (or > DP 1.2) rates. Unless Apple have artificially knobbled the M1 Pro MBPs and/or (OK, that wouldn't be the shock of the century) to only support 2 displays and/or not support HDMI 2.1, they don't have DisplayPort bandwidth to spare.
The M1 chips only support DisplayPort natively. All of the PHYs are DisplayPort 1.4a (or eDP 1.4b) and capable of HBR3 signaling (8.1 Gbit/s per lane), Variable Refresh Rate (VRR), Forward Error Correction (FEC), and Display Stream Compression (DSC). VRR is only available when running macOS 12 Monterey or later. HDMI 2.0 TMDS links are enabled by the same protocol converter chip that Apple uses on at least a dozen other products they currently sell. There is currently no macOS support whatsoever for HDMI 2.1 FRL, including protocol converters. Although macOS is aware of DisplayPort MST, it is only supported for mirroring or on specific displays that use MST to drive tiled panels. There is no shortage of DisplayPort bandwidth, unless you consider the lack of DisplayPort 2.0 UHBR signaling rates a problem.

The limitations on rendering pipelines and number of display output streams are pretty obviously tied to the size / capabilities of the GPUs. The M1 can only support two display output streams, one at up to 5120 x 4096 (2560 x 2048 HiDPI) and the other at up to 6144 x 4096 (3072 x 2048 HiDPI), and up to 10 bits per component (32 bits per pixel, ARGB2101010). The M1 Max can handle 5 streams at up to 7680 x 4096 (3840 x 2048 HiDPI) resolution. The M1 Pro appears to be limited to 3 display output streams, but I don't have the ioreg output for one of those handy at the moment. You do realize that scaling from 7-8 GPU cores + 68.3 GB/s memory bandwidth, to 14-16 GPU cores + 204.8 GB/s memory bandwidth, to 24-32 GPU cores + 409.6 GB/s memory bandwidth has performance implications?

Interesting. I was pretty sure that Apple specifically said that the M1 pro had an extra TB controller over the M1 - but I see the printed press release just vaguely says "extra TB controllers".

I won't argue with your IC component identification skills - it certainly looks plausible - although I don't get why the "oddball in the middle" would have two DisplayPort sections...

Also, it's impossible to know whether all of those supposed TB and PCIe controllers can be enabled simultaneously and/or if they are all equal in terms of connectivity to the GPU and CPU. E.g. one of them could be a "runt" just for supplying USB 3.1g1 and HDMI. I'm also thinking of the Intel chipsets which had a bunch of "universal I/O" lanes that could be configured as either USB, general PCIe, SSD-optimised PCIe etc. but only in certain fixed permutations.

...so, maybe the mains-powered iMac will have 4xTB with an extra TB controller enabled at the expense of slightly higher power consumption... or the Mac Mini Pro will have 5 TB ports because it doesn't need to support an internal display... or the iMac Pro XDR will use that "oddball" controller for an 8k display.... I.e. the M1 Pro/Max chips in MacBook Pro, iMac Pro, Mac Mini Pro (...and future Mac Pro?) might be the same physical chips but with different permutations of modules enabled at build time.

Of course, it would be nice if Apple would share this info so we didn't have to speculate, but they do like their secrets.
Many of the Intel discrete Thunderbolt controllers also included a "display side port". It allows you to have a dedicated display output port (DP, HDMI, DVI, whatever) as well as a full-featured Thunderbolt port with the display signal muxed to both so you can just route to whichever one is in use.

edit: Bad explanation. The Thunderbolt controller has two DisplayPort inputs that can be routed to any of four downstream destinations: either of the two DP-in protocol adapters used for DisplayPort protocol tunneling, the native DP PHY for USB Type-C DisplayPort Alternate Mode on the Thunderbolt / USB4 port, or a native DP PHY for a dedicated display output port.

It looks like Apple is using Synopsys USB4 IP all around for the USB xHCIs. There doesn't appear to be any standalone USB 3.2 Gen1x1/Gen2x1 stuff anywhere, hence the use of discrete controllers from Fresco Logic on the Mac mini and ASMedia on the 24-inch iMac so they didn't have to burn one of the two available Thunderbolt / USB4 ports.
 
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Who is the sd slot for? Not video pros (they use cf-pro) and honestly I use a usb-c card reader, because how many times a day do you put sd-cards in, (and on the back is ever so convenient /s) where the dongle is hardly a big deal. Plus the dongle moves the card slot in front of the machine. I would much rather have a usb-a to be honest over a sad-card reader as it is way more often I need a dongle to mount someone’s usb thumb drive than say so. HDMI 2.1 please.
I've been doing professional video as a career for 15 years. We use SD cards. Thanks for your input though.
 
Yes, hope the wait is over soon ?

Have like +$4k earmarked and ready for this machine that will serve me well I hope 4-7 yrs...depending-
I expect it to be bigger than 27" anyway....but wouldn't be surprised if they will come in 2 different sizes.

Tomorrow, magically, ChromeOS and Linux are going to run Adobe Photoshop and Final Cut Pro.
 
I don’t know why people are afraid to buy Apple products.

It’s as if Mark Zuckerberg and Meta are going to surprise announce MetaOS and disrupt the tech industry.
 
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