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Also video editors don’t use their internal drives. 512GB would be absolutely just fine for me, I’m hooked up to a work server and a storage server providing a combined half a petabyte, I don’t need internal space for anything other than my applications, 512GB would be plenty for that. If they wanna offer that I’ll gladly save the money on drive space and use it for more RAM instead.
This is why people were so happy to have an Ethernet upgrade on the Pro.
 
Right.

If the larger iMac is, as usual, largely the same as the smaller one but with a bigger screen, I think they would’ve launched it this year. The 24-inch iMac already exists as the new mainstream iMac. The bigger one now serves a different audience.

That’s my headcanon anyway.




Type C doesn’t solve any problem. If you need an adapter to connect to a screen, just make it another Thunderbolt port. The whole appeal of having a HDMI socket is that any HDMI cable will just work.




Yes, and I already agreed. ;) You’re right, they should consider that.
I’ve never used an SD card slot, so this might sound ignorant—can you put one in the power brick like they did with Ethernet?
 
No serious "Pro" display has rounded corners. Content always is rectangular and therefore the screen should also be rectangular. I can understand that smartphones and tablets have rounded corners to better slide into your pocket, but that does not make sense for a mac pro. What comes next? A heart shaped display?
 
The image shows no chin. assuming a slender body similar to the 24” model, there has to be a chin for the logic board. Personally if there was a double fat portion at the back to allow for the circuitry and ports, and no chin, I think that would work. That could even allow for a SD card slot on the side again.
 
I don’t think there is going to be a Mac Pro desktop anymore as we know it since everything will be crammed on silicon there’s no need for slots and upgradeable ram/ssd. Any additional storage/video will all be external via lots of thunderbolt 4 ports. The Mini enclosure size could do all that, maybe a little thicker for more ports. :rolleyes:
 
I’ve never used an SD card slot, so this might sound ignorant—can you put one in the power brick like they did with Ethernet?

Sure, but that seems quite inconvenient. The clever part about the Ethernet port is that it can easily sit at the back of the desk, or underneath. For SD cards, a lot of use cases are volatile: you quickly want to push a card in or eject it.
 
512GB HD? Are you smoking crack? You gonna put "pro" on a machine and put half a terabyte HD in it? COME ON
You do realize that’s where all their current pro machines start right? If you’re using a desktop it isn’t a huge deal, because you could use a 10 Gigabit NAS, so if they include the 10 Gig Ethernet, it might just be a perfect entry level machine for the pro class.
 
At the time of writing the current mid-market spot rate values:
USD 2,000 = EUR 1,748
If only this was true. ?

With government und apple tax on top the entry price will be EUR 2,249 for the crippled version with two less CPU and two less GPU cores and a puny 512GB SSD.
 
What we really need to know for both the Mac Pro and iMac Pro is if Apple is planning on separating the CPU and GPU into discrete packages, so that the Mac Pro can potentially have more than a 1:1 CPU to GPU ratio. This would also potentially impact the iMac Pro's thermal envelope if they spread the two chips further from each other for heat dissipation.

It makes a lot of sense from an engineering standpoint, but I'm not sure if Apple is invested in developing discrete GPUs and CPUs specifically for higher end machines. This has been a concern from Pros from the start when Apple Silicon was first introduced.

No, Apple is not going to separate the GPU from the SoC. They don't need to worry about heat dissipation as an "extreme" variant (4x Max) of the M1 would probably match the power consumption of a high end Intel CPU or Nvidia GPU. (~240W-300W)

That obviously would not do well in an iMac enclosure, but in the Mac Pro it should be fine. The iMac will be limited to the "ultra" variant (2x Max). They were already stuffing an 18-core Xeon with a Radeon Vega 64 into it. So handling the thermals of an M1 "Ultra" shouldn't be a problem.
 
I’ve never used an SD card slot, so this might sound ignorant—can you put one in the power brick like they did with Ethernet?

SD card is simply storage- just like any other kind of storage. Sure, they could put it in a power brick. At some point, they might have to refer to such a brick as an Apple HUB which also delivers the power the computer needs. There's already plenty of this in the laptop world- hubs with laptop power delivery- and the chips in the new iMac will probably be the exact same ones in the existing MBs.
 
Do you think the former iMac Pro was discontinued super early because of how bad the M1 kicked the pants off the Xeon? 24" Intel iMacs continue to be sold. In good conscience, they must not have been able to justify the price, and I'm sure it'd make previous purchasers supremely upset—even more so than discontinuing it—to have done a fire sale on it.
Also the iMac Pro back then was released because there were many unsatisfied pros who wanted an updated Mac Pro, but Apple was not able the update the "trash can" Mac Pro. So they decided to stuff the most powerful hardware which the iMac could handle in that already existing design. The release of the iMac Pro allowed them to take some time to design a proper expandable Mac Pro. After that one was released there was not really a use case for the iMac Pro anymore. And together with their upcoming switch to Apple Silicon and the restructuring of their Mac lineup they ditched the iMac Pro.
The new upcoming 2022 Mac Pro will not be a direct successor to the iMac Pro from 2017. The pro just indicates the "better" product line as Apple does with the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air. The iMac Pro from 2017 was a temporary Mac Pro substitute.
Well I am on record as skeptical if this new iMac will be able to handle Jade2C-Die, especially if it clocks in at around 180W (based on what a MAX pulls at max).

Personally, I think the top option will be the M1 MAX at 10C/32G.
I'm sceptically too, but I hope they will make the chassis a little bit thicker so that it will be able to handle the Jade 2C-Die.
The iMac will be limited to the "ultra" variant (2x Max). They were already stuffing an 18-core Xeon with a Radeon Vega 64 into it. So handling the thermals of an M1 "Ultra" shouldn't be a problem.
I mean the old iMac chassis will probably be bigger than the new one. So it's no so easy even with the much better efficiency of Apple Silicon. But I also hope they manage to put the Jade 2C-Die in there.
 
I can’t see a 27/30/32” whatever size it is iMac with starting at 16Gb and 512Gb SSD, $2000. The 24” with 16Gb 512Gb SSD is $1900.

That is too close, $100 increase for a maybe M2,M1 pro/max and larger screen.

I can see a much bigger increase in the larger iMac personally
 
512GB HD? Are you smoking crack? You gonna put "pro" on a machine and put half a terabyte HD in it? COME ON
They obviously know nothing. The product isn't even known to exist.

But storage of 512GB base is in fitting with other Apple products. It might even be high — the Mac Pro starts at 256GB, after all.
 
Not worth buying any Apple Silicon Mac just yet. Wait for the second generation.

M2 Max / M2 Pro is when to buy with the kinks ironed out.

I did the same when Apple switched to Intel from PowerPC.
 
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Can't see them adding HDMI to the iMac. But the rest of the mentioned ports, yes.

Also is it necessary to have the dynamic VRR ProMotion system on a plugged in desktop system? Or would ProMotion just mean high refresh rate?

Hmm... I'd like an HDMI on it. I'd love to see a return to being able to use one as a monitor for another PC. That's what keeps me from getting an iMac, really -- need a bigger external for my work PC.
 
Hmm... I'd like an HDMI on it. I'd love to see a return to being able to use one as a monitor for another PC. That's what keeps me from getting an iMac, really -- need a bigger external for my work PC.
This is for HDMI output, not input.
 
Not worth buying any Apple Silicon Mac just yet. Wait for the second generation.

M2 Max / M2 Pro is when to buy with the kinks ironed out.

I did the same when Apple switched to Intel from PowerPC.
What kinks? I’m on my second M1, and no kinks as far as I can see. Just pure bliss
 
I can’t see a 27/30/32” whatever size it is iMac with starting at 16Gb and 512Gb SSD, $2000. The 24” with 16Gb 512Gb SSD is $1900.

That is too close, $100 increase for a maybe M2,M1 pro/max and larger screen.

I can see a much bigger increase in the larger iMac personally

iMac 24" starts at $1299. A "starting at..." $1799-$1999 27"-32" probably looks more technically like that one (under RAMmed and under SSD'd). Apple likes that sub $2K number for "big reveal" press coverage. I fully expect one at $1999 MAX. Then when you build it as you really want it, it's probably >$3K.
 
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I’ve never used an SD card slot, so this might sound ignorant—can you put one in the power brick like they did with Ethernet?

Can, but it would be mostly hackery and less effective. It would be in the "can do it" camp of putting purple disco lights around the display. Technically possible, but why would they do it.

The iFixit teardown highlights that MBP M1 Pro/Max models are using a PCI-e SD Card controller

The "All the Apple Chips you can eat" section here :


Specifically :
http://www.genesyslogic.com/en/product_view.php?show=80


This chip hooks to the M1 Pro/Max via one of the PCI-e v4 x1 lanes ( overkill ) And that chip is hooked to the physical SD slot ( and to the card when inserted). That's is what gets the relatively decently high ( but not super , utlra fast ) speeds on/off the card.


To stuff the SD card down into the long end of the power cord they'd pragmatically have to put a USB connection down there. PCI-e isn't going to go that far. Would need to put a SD-to-USB controller down there. Power that chip. ( so both more space internally and chip power ).

The Ethernet controller on the iMac 24" is on the logic board inside the mac. Essentially all Apple in the custom power cable is an ethernet patch cable to just a plain receptacle ( no electronics ) in the brick. No chip power.

On a non implementation front, it would be kind of goofy to put a SD slot on (or near the floor). When empty just down closer to the dust. ( Similar kind of goofy when don't have anything plugged into the iMac 24" Ethernet jack also. )


For the MacBook Pro price point , argubably Apple should be using a faster SD-Card controller than they are now; not slower. iMac ( or iMac Pro) similar for the system price point.
 
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From the time machine (Mark Gurman, 2015):


Honestly, if Apple had gone 32" on an iMac, I would have wanted it to be 8K so it could be 4K in HiDPI mode and I could use a 4K display as a second one without my windows resizing when I moved them between the screens (as would be the case with a 6K display).
 
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