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17" MacBook Pro on sale

...but, I am not impressed.

Sure, it must be really powerful. But 17" in a laptop and no 12"? Ayeah. No really, I'd be fine with this if it looked like a 12" were on the way.

Lol...check out the comparison between the 15" and 17" at the hardware site. Hmm...not really that big of a difference on the browser...but monstrous in the store. What ever happened to small and sexy?:p
 
I'm all for tiered pricing

I don't know why everyone is against tiered pricing, it's a great idea.

$0.33, $0.50, or $0.99 per song

If the recording industry is worried about revenues, how about going back to the model of supporting an artist for a long career. I just went to see Billy Joel with my mom this weekend. Not only has my whole family been buying Billy Joel albums for almost 30 years, but when my sister and I moved out on our own, we bought our own Billy Joel albums to own. A new album from an established artist goes a long way towards selling itself. It's probably a heck of a lot cheaper to support an existing good artist, then it is to keep promoting a throwaway flavor of the month.

Looking at my iTunes collection, I average 5 albums per artist in the 60s and 70s, and that drops to 2 in the 80s, and less than 1 from the 90s on. Why is that? Because most things today are flavor of the month crap that I wouldn't buy at $0.01 per song. I lament the fact that in 30 years, there won't be an artist still performing live that my whole family loved and could share a great night at a concert listening to.
 
Sell me an Album....

Sell it to me for $12.99 and ship me the CD too - I'd do that. Heck, for $14.99 I'd do it. Saves me from having to rip it and find the album art. Apple needs to do this with music as a test market so when they release full length movies, it'll be in place to ship DVDs with each purchase.

Keep the .99 tracks tho
 
cxny said:
Could there be a more despised segment of US industry than the record companies? (OK the oil companies a close second right now) Actually I would be happy to see tiered pricing but only if $0.99 was the upper limit and older back catalog was made available at $0.50.

But would you buy 2x as many songs? Or are you just saying you want stuff to be cheaper? See, because iTMS is a phenomenal success, with no apparent need to lower prices or raise them up.

By the way, have you ever tried producing a REAL cd? How about pump some oil? Exactly. You know, those people do work hard. It's not like they were born with the magical ability to produce stuff you want and aren't willing to pay for, or only pay for while "despising" them. Is it just because I'm talking to teenagers that there is this general air of "I don't want to pay up to the value of goods"? :)D Duh, of course.)

Well, maybe you are a cd producer dj thing on the side and take insult. Whatever. People that don't understand pricing and value shouldn't just flap their mouths demanding cheaper goods. On the other hand, if iTMS were not such a success and Apple really was charging too much, I would agree with you entirely, since consumers have the right to pay exactly what they think an item is worth, so long as the seller agrees to it. This is why you can negotiate at BestBuy or whatever for $200 off that big screen TV, but you can't hurl $200 less than the price tag at the employee and proceed to steal the TV. In this case it's a bit different. iTMS is selling tracks at $1, essentially. In theory, there is some price point at which they'd make the most profit. Unfortunately, people will actually hesitate more to buy tracks priced at $0.72 than at $0.75, or even at $1, probably, and anyway they'd hesitate a whole lot more at $1.49 or whatever. That period, when the customer is deciding whether or not to click on buy, is the most important piece of this equation. Hesitation is to be avoided. So, I wouldn't be surprised if iTMS's current price of $1 is also the theoretical optimum. To lower the price makes no sense, and to introduce variable pricing or tiered pricing means the same thing - missing the theoretical optimum by more than the current pricing does, to be sure.

Let's not bash oil companies because we pay them for their work. Instead, let's bash them because they hold government sway and the great US of A was never meant to be controlled in any large part by a group of corporations. There's a difference - as a business they should charge what they can and make a profit...as a govenment influence, they should hold no more sway than an equal number of voting individuals...instead, look what we get! :mad:
 
barakthecat said:
I don't know why everyone is against tiered pricing, it's a great idea.

$0.33, $0.50, or $0.99 per song

If the recording industry is worried about revenues, how about going back to the model of supporting an artist for a long career. I just went to see Billy Joel with my mom this weekend. Not only has my whole family been buying Billy Joel albums for almost 30 years, but when my sister and I moved out on our own, we bought our own Billy Joel albums to own. A new album from an established artist goes a long way towards selling itself. It's probably a heck of a lot cheaper to support an existing good artist, then it is to keep promoting a throwaway flavor of the month.

Looking at my iTunes collection, I average 5 albums per artist in the 60s and 70s, and that drops to 2 in the 80s, and less than 1 from the 90s on. Why is that? Because most things today are flavor of the month crap that I wouldn't buy at $0.01 per song. I lament the fact that in 30 years, there won't be an artist still performing live that my whole family loved and could share a great night at a concert listening to.

CDs are a bit different from the 128kbps excuses for music that iTMS sells (whoops bashing needs to be redirected...:D ). Anyway, tiered pricing isn't great unless it hits theoretical optimum prices better than the enticing 1 dollar mark, which it doesn't. Especially not at $0.33! Imagine...I want to try out a song, not caring about the 128kbps bit. I'd have to do that 3 times to equal one song I decided to try since "it's only a buck." In other words, $1 is good for just trying out a song, then people might buy the album, or buy individually, it's all good. People buying music they know they like will likely buy like many tracks, like, you know? :)D ) 1 dollar works both ways...individually, it's easy to trade to try a song. In groups, it's easier to purchase a bunch of music you like...17 tracks? No problem, $17, you can do it in your head. If they were $0.50, for example, you can still do it in your head, but you would have to buy double for iTMS to make the same amount of money. In between, the numbers aren't as manageable, not just for calculating checkout totals, but more like throwing the idea around...like 17 tracks...well, why not 3 more, to make a clean 20? Compared to 17 times 0.87...that's...umm, should I buy more or take off a couple of tracks? Not manageable, not without having to stop and think about it. You don't want customers to stop and think about it for very long at all, so you charge them a buck a piece and everyone's happy.
 
Greed

If the companies were making little profit-they would be glad for the buck-a-song;
But they are getting rich from APPLE -and when that happens they want to get RICHER-greed is what is driving them;
"Our poor artists starve on a $.99 song"
Bullsh*t! The artists sees little of it.

Company execs cannnot afford quite as many hookers, trips to the Caribbean, or new Mercedes Benzes this way-THAT is why they are whining. Knock 'em out Steve!
 
barakthecat said:
I don't know why everyone is against tiered pricing, it's a great idea.

$0.33, $0.50, or $0.99 per song
Thats not exactly what they had in mind...
Maybe something like....

Crappy songs no one listens to anyways: $0.50
Ok songs, semi popular: $0.99
Popular songs, most songs on iTunes: $1.50
Newest releases, stuff people want: $1.99

If for one would rather have uniform 99 cents. Because otherwise, the above (in my post) is more likely what you'll get.
 
bretm said:
But on the other hand, when do suppliers tell retailers what to CHARGE for goods?
Every day. They've gotten creative in how they do it, that's all. Perhaps you meant the specific and unlawful act of "price fixing".
 
I totally agree with the sentiment that increasing prices will cause an exponential growth in piracy. The record companies are trying to find more scapegoats to blame the results of their greed upon, firstly the pirates, now the source of over 80% of online music sales.

The bitrate discussion is interesting. I would really like to see Apple embrace AACplus in the future. The far superior compression provides quality I associate with 256kbps MP3 at 96kbps, and 320kbps MP3 at 128kbps. I can see the issue with multiple pricing/bitrate levels might be that purchasing music would become more complicated as a result- something very un-Apple. Moving entirely to a higher bitrate could alienate many people on lower bandwidth connections -iTMS might not be so quick and easy for a lot of customers. AACplus could be key in that it offers much higher fidelity audio at the same bitrate, or similar quality at a much lower bitrate. (hello mobile iTMS) I can see that there are a lot of hurdles in the way of providing AACplus content, the major one being that existing iPods do not support it and might not have the performance necessary to decode it even if it could be implemented through firmware. Still, I think it would be a major step towards satisfying the need for a balance between fidelity and bandwidth/disk conservation.
 
Record companies face some interesting problems.

If they pull out of itunes what are they going to say to their top "artists" who are pulling in the big bucks? Could these artists get THEIR lawyers to go for the lost revenues of not being on iTunes? Or would it just be easier to make it public that they are changing labels when they can as they want too be on iTunes?

Second is financial reality in marketing. Not everyone can afford all of the CDs they would like to have and, for many, it is one or two songs a week - if they are lucky. iTunes works well in this market - it lets the kid get a song or 2 from the CD of his favorite band when he (or she) doesn't have the money for the full CD.

The there are the bargain CDs. It's actually worth going through those as there can be some great CDs that the companies are clearing out of the warehouse. I found a copy of Ella in Berlin - an album I hadn't seen since the 60's. Got it for $5.99 and, yes, it's available on iTunes for a lot more. Like Ella Fitzgerald there is a lot of great music available on iTunes that aren't in the record company's warehouses any more. iTunes has become the primary (or only) source of revenue for these albums. For many albums the bargain bins are simply for clearing out warehouses and giving up on additional revenues. Pulling out of iTunes stops that revenue stream no matter how small.

The record companies simply can't win against Apple. If they pull out of iTunes they have problems. If they get higher prices for some music they will also get lower unit volumes on the higher priced music. The consumer will also want to see some deep discounts for older, slower selling music.
 
One thing I would like to see is the option for the iTunes user to download the songs or get the album sent to their house. I love my iTunes and all of the features, but I think that this would be a great idea. I see the idea that the record labels are not sending apple actual CD's so there is les of an expense, but some of us still would like the option. Yes or No?
 
Crazy... just crazy

Man the record comanies are just crazy for wanting supply and demand to set the price of their songs.

Crazy I say.... to make people pay more for the goods and services they want... it will never work.

Atlas Shurgged:p
 
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