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The key is not to upgrade and you shouldn't if it's a production machine regardless. Windows 10 runs well as a dual boot, and reaches the login screen in 3-4 seconds via SSD. Sierra takes 12 seconds. Upgrades simply slows down your machine/ devices over time. I remember when I first got my iPad mini 2 and iPhone 5s. Apple would nag me until I updated and now they're frustratingly slow. Fortunately on MacOS, you can turn update notifications off.

I wouldn't recommend a hackintosh to anyone. I'm a computer tech and it was quite a learning curve sorting through endless tech documents and forum posts. I wanted to give up a few times but there was nothing from Apple I could convince myself to buy. The prices for a Mac Pro (outdated garbage bin?)_ and the new MacBook Pro (non-replaceable SSD/ RAM) were ridiculous for what you actually got. I'd rather hold on to my 2012 cMBP with antiglare, quad i7, dual hard drives and 16GB RAM and just build the hackintosh for gaming and super intensive audio/video production.

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I thought about the white one, but I plan on using the 5 1/4 drive bay and most devices are black so I figured it would look better. I think Apple should have made all their devices black. If you consider the popularity of the jet black iPhone I think this makes sense. White is kinda going backwards although I used to love the look of the older white iMacs (at least the colour). :)
"The key is not to upgrade"? What? You say such a thing and are a computer tech?! iPhone 6 without AFS? I hope for iOS 10.3 today or next Monday.
 
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"The key is not to upgrade"? What? You say such a thing and are a computer tech?! iPhone 6 without AFS? I hope for iOS 10.3 today or next Monday.
NOT upgrading is the BEST thing to do to maintain the performance of any Apple hardware - due to feature creep and software bloat.
iOS 9 here on my iPhone 5S (not going to upgrade ever).
Snow Leopard 10.6.8 on my 2011 Mac mini (not going to upgrade ever).
 
NOT upgrading is the BEST thing to do to maintain the performance of any Apple hardware - due to feature creep and software bloat.
iOS 9 here on my iPhone 5S (not going to upgrade ever).
Snow Leopard 10.6.8 on my 2011 Mac mini (not going to upgrade ever).
Ok. So you don´t use the benefits of APFS, you aren´t interested in security etc.?
 
I have to admit, while the upgrades do bring nice features, a lot of them I do not use on a daily basis. My iPhone 6plus has become dog slow and it's only because iOS isn't optimized for it... That 6plus has a beast of a processor in it, and if Apple wanted to keep it running fast it could. Wish we could class action Apple to keep our devices snappy across updates or give us the choice to roll back to an earlier iOS version
 
NOT upgrading is the BEST thing to do to maintain the performance of any Apple hardware - due to feature creep and software bloat.
iOS 9 here on my iPhone 5S (not going to upgrade ever).
Snow Leopard 10.6.8 on my 2011 Mac mini (not going to upgrade ever).
I'm the same way. Mavericks on my 2012 Mini, 5S is on 9.0.2 to keep jailbreak, 6+ is on on 9.0.2 to keep jailbreak, 6S and 6S+ is on 10.1.1to keep jailbreak, iPad Mini 2 is on 9.0.2 to keep jailbreak, 2015 and 2012 MBPs are both on El Capitan.
 
I have to admit, while the upgrades do bring nice features, a lot of them I do not use on a daily basis. My iPhone 6plus has become dog slow and it's only because iOS isn't optimized for it... That 6plus has a beast of a processor in it, and if Apple wanted to keep it running fast it could. Wish we could class action Apple to keep our devices snappy across updates or give us the choice to roll back to an earlier iOS version
I canceled all apps with the message that those apps could possibly slow down my device. When iOS 10.3 is out, I will close all browser tabs, clean my device up (twitter and browser cache) do a backup and install iOS 10.3 and I will see how the performance will be.
 
"The key is not to upgrade"? What? You say such a thing and are a computer tech?! iPhone 6 without AFS? I hope for iOS 10.3 today or next Monday.

If it isnt broken, dont fix it. You have no idea how many times in my field I have people do upgrades only to break something. In my field that's just foolishness. Keep in mind that there is a difference between upgrades and updates.
[doublepost=1490198230][/doublepost]I considered a class action suit also.


I have to admit, while the upgrades do bring nice features, a lot of them I do not use on a daily basis. My iPhone 6plus has become dog slow and it's only because iOS isn't optimized for it... That 6plus has a beast of a processor in it, and if Apple wanted to keep it running fast it could. Wish we could class action Apple to keep our devices snappy across updates or give us the choice to roll back to an earlier iOS version
 
I upgraded an iPhone 5 to the latest OS once. It turned from a great phone into something way too sluggish to use. Then I upgraded my Macbook Pro to Sierra and watched files disappear from my HD, but on the plus side I could get Siri to say "I'm sorry but whatday isittoday is not in your Contacts". I could luckily restore the MBP, but I couldn't downgrade the iPhone.

In unrelated news, Galaxy S7 has incredible battery life on Nougat. And El Capitan 10.11.6 is really stable.
 
I upgraded an iPhone 5 to the latest OS once. It turned from a great phone into something way too sluggish to use. Then I upgraded my Macbook Pro to Sierra and watched files disappear from my HD, but on the plus side I could get Siri to say "I'm sorry but whatday isittoday is not in your Contacts". I could luckily restore the MBP, but I couldn't downgrade the iPhone.

In unrelated news, Galaxy S7 has incredible battery life on Nougat. And El Capitan 10.11.6 is really stable.
Strange, we have got here an iPhone 5 with iOS 10.2.1 and everything is fine. Otherwise, my Dad would have complained.
 
I canceled all apps with the message that those apps could possibly slow down my device. When iOS 10.3 is out, I will close all browser tabs, clean my device up (twitter and browser cache) do a backup and install iOS 10.3 and I will see how the performance will be.

Pretty sad that is what you have to do... 1gb of ram, I mean how much could 2gb or Ram cost them to install?
 
Pretty sad that is what you have to do... 1gb of ram, I mean how much could 2gb or Ram cost them to install?
I don`t have to. I do that to be sure that everything works. If you update a program on your PC you have also to close all running programs. If you install a Service Pack or on Windows 10 a feature Update it is not a bad idea to "clean" your PC first (temporary files etc.).
 
I don`t have to. I do that to be sure that everything works. If you update a program on your PC you have also to close all running programs. If you install a Service Pack or on Windows 10 a feature Update it is not a bad idea to "clean" your PC first (temporary files etc.).

Sorry man, but Apple was never like that. Back in the early 2000s...entire system updates did not even require a reboot. Updates and upgrades were super smooth.
 
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Sorry man, but Apple was never like that. Back in the early 2000s...entire system updates did not even require a reboot. Updates and upgrades were super smooth.
If you say so. Don´t know. I started in 2008 with an iPod touch 2 afterwards an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 6.
 
Sorry man, but Apple was never like that. Back in the early 2000s...entire system updates did not even require a reboot. Updates and upgrades were super smooth.

Can you give an example of what you mean by this? I'be been using Apple stuff since the late 1980's and I'm not sure what you're thinking about here.
 
Strange, we have got here an iPhone 5 with iOS 10.2.1 and everything is fine. Otherwise, my Dad would have complained.

Maybe he's just not an intense user of the device? 10.2.1 made my iPhone 5s I use for work noticeably slower and with more glitches. For example, voice dictation is now almost impossible to achieve. I have to go into recent apps and close down all but a couple before it decides to accept my dictation.
 
Maybe he's just not an intense user of the device? 10.2.1 made my iPhone 5s I use for work noticeably slower and with more glitches. For example, voice dictation is now almost impossible to achieve. I have to go into recent apps and close down all but a couple before it decides to accept my dictation.
He is not, you are right. If something is wrong he´ll let me know. I´m the one who updates our iDevices.
For example: He was not amused, when he found out about the fact, that it is no longer possible to copy photos on his phone via drag &drop without making use of iTunes.
 
Can you give an example of what you mean by this? I'be been using Apple stuff since the late 1980's and I'm not sure what you're thinking about here.
Mean: When I used to install 10.3.3 update example on a mac running 10.3.2, the whole update would happen while I was still working and had apps open and did not even require a reboot.
Mean: Today, when I install 10.10.3 over 10.10.2, a full reboot is required
Mean: When I update from 10.4 to 10.5, the chance of problems was very low
Mean: When I update from 10.9 to 10.10, higher change of problems requiring a full wipe and install and manual restore of info.

Your mileage might be different, but I'm not your avg user being an IT pro and have a lot of devices and macs of various generation
 
"The key is not to upgrade"? What? You say such a thing and are a computer tech?! iPhone 6 without AFS? I hope for iOS 10.3 today or next Monday.
Upgrade policy is complex matter today.
The marketing-driven mix makes it difficult to discern updates, upgrades and mehpgrades. While the flood of beta's seems to be the sign that the platform is kicking and alive, most aren't worth the hassle.
APFS sure is a big advancement - I would even say bigger than anything iOS10 brought over iOS9.
However, lots of recent updates have been minor or minimal so "the latest and the greatest" isn't the reason for upgrading anymore. Security is the new driver - only sometimes critical, but generally not. Release notes are neither informative nor complete, optimisations that make a difference between usable and not aren't even mentioned (shortcomings are never acknowledged) which clarifies speed improvements in some shorter cycles.
However, comparing iOS7 with iOS9 shows that on the long term you need to upgrade HW to stay on level. That's what drives the industry.
 
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Mean: When I used to install 10.3.3 update example on a mac running 10.3.2, the whole update would happen while I was still working and had apps open and did not even require a reboot.
Mean: Today, when I install 10.10.3 over 10.10.2, a full reboot is required
Mean: When I update from 10.4 to 10.5, the chance of problems was very low
Mean: When I update from 10.9 to 10.10, higher change of problems requiring a full wipe and install and manual restore of info.

Your mileage might be different, but I'm not your avg user being an IT pro and have a lot of devices and macs of various generation


Hmm… don't remember about the updates around the times of OS X 10.3. Maybe you're right. But I'm pretty certain some updates required a restart, for example updates to the kernel (Darwin).

I'm an ”IT pro” too, (have been working with Mac maintenance for more than 10 years) and I don't recognise that I have had any more occurrences of requiring ”full wipe and restore” with later versions of OS X compared to older.
 
Hmm… don't remember about the updates around the times of OS X 10.3. Maybe you're right. But I'm pretty certain some updates required a restart, for example updates to the kernel (Darwin).

I'm an ”IT pro” too, (have been working with Mac maintenance for more than 10 years) and I don't recognise that I have had any more occurrences of requiring ”full wipe and restore” with later versions of OS X compared to older.
Between 2000 and 2010, macos was what I loved about it. So stable, so easy to back up and restore (the old itools backup app was great).
 
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