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I feel like a lot people are happy streaming music to a Bluetooth soundbar that’s cheaper and multi-purpose. I know I am.

My music setup is already great, a HomePod wouldn’t add anything to my experience. In 2018, a lot of people already have their music setup to their needs. It will be successful because it’s Apple and Apple users pour money into new Apple products whether they need them or not.


You're not the target audience. Apple is targeting the Homepod on people who appreciate a higher quality of music and music experience than just is what comes out of your typical bluetooth speaker. They designed an enhance Siri just for music exploration and playback, but cool that's not important to you. The Homepod will protect your privacy, but you are probably OK, as are a lot of people, with Google and Amazon loading up everything the speaker hears to the cloud because "you have nothing to hide" from law enforcement, hackers, intel agencies, etc. , who will have access to your data. The Homepod will be a smart speaker with a very powerful processor to handle updates for years to come, you have already said you are content with what you currently have.
 
I think people will be surprised by the positive reviews the HomePod will receive.

Remember how people slammed the AirPods before they actually tried them, then found they loved them. They also slammed the Apple Watch and it turned into a great success too.

Calling a product a failure before it even hits the market almost always turns out to be a failed prediction. It's far easier to gauge success before release than failure. We see it time and time again.


Except the AirPods were a truly first of their kind product without any direct competitor already being successful in the market.

What was that Steve Jobs quote? "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." The AirPods are really like that - there was nothing like them on the market and people didn't realize they wanted it until they saw it.

The HomePod is nothing like that. It's not the first on the market, it's not even the fourth. It's entering an already mature market offering fewer features, severely limited compatibility, and higher price. And on top of all that, Apple over-promised features and is now under-delivering.

I'm not saying it's going to be a failure, it's probably going to be quite successful. I never doubt the Apple marketing machine. Rather I'm saying of all the other products Apple has launched in the past few years, this is the biggest example of Apple following the market rather than creating it or leading it. On the contrary, the AirPods were Apple creating and leading a market.
 
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For the vast majority of users, a normal 128bit MP3 is perfectly fine.
I don’t disagree with the general sentiment of your point, but that is simply not true. It’s been 20 years since people didn’t know the difference or care.
 
I feel like a lot people are happy streaming music to a Bluetooth soundbar that’s cheaper and multi-purpose. I know I am.

My music setup is already great, a HomePod wouldn’t add anything to my experience. In 2018, a lot of people already have their music setup to their needs. It will be successful because it’s Apple and Apple users pour money into new Apple products whether they need them or not.

The thing I hate about Bluetooth is limited range and poor sound quality. It's not like I have bad bluetooth speakers either - but anytime I leave the room with my phone, the music skips or pauses. And it's pretty common. Playing music during a friendly gathering, someone calls me saying they are here and to open the door, I go to the door and the speaker in the living room stops. No good.
 
The marketing guy? Why not ask, you know, the actual developers and engineers?
You do know the function of marketing and engineers, don't you? Why should engineers be bothered to be talking about selling the product? Each should do their job function.
 
99% of listeners don't care. For the vast majority of users, a normal 128bit MP3 is perfectly fine.

Apple markets to the average user. They're the largest percentage of the market and the largest potential to make money.

Just look at how going after hi-fi audio has worked out for Tidal.


Which is why 99% of users would probably be happy buying something way cheaper that sounds good.

You can't really have it both ways. If you are going for the premium market, then it needs to be premium. Or are you saying Apple users will just buy it no matter the cost, but don't really care about sound quality?
 
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I am waiting for HomePod to sell in Canada. No matter what the review said, just pick one up and listen to it at home with your favourite music and compare to your own sound systems. Everyone has their own preferences. Apple has a good return policy anyway.
 
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99% of listeners don't care. For the vast majority of users, a normal 128bit MP3 is perfectly fine.

Apple markets to the average user. They're the largest percentage of the market and the largest potential to make money.

Just look at how going after hi-fi audio has worked out for Tidal.
Last I checked Apple Music is 256Mbps AAC - a huge difference from 128 MP3s
 
I think people will be surprised by the positive reviews the HomePod will receive.

Remember how people slammed the AirPods before they actually tried them, then found they loved them. They also slammed the Apple Watch and it turned into a great success too.

Calling a product a failure before it even hits the market almost always turns out to be a failed prediction. It's far easier to gauge success before release than failure. We see it time and time again.

I find it funny how the clueless media keeps referring to this speaker as expensive relative to the competition. If early reviews are saying it sounds better than speakers that cost more, but you also get Siri functionality and a revolutionary audio system that continuously and automatically optimizes sound output based on its surroundings, $349 sure as heck sounds like an amazing value.
 
But Sonos sucks, you have to use a controller app, another unnecessary app that is another music player. Also you can’t stream your own stuff, only services. You’ll have to work with workarounds and third party services which you will have to hope will last reliably.

We got AirPlay, soon to be upgraded soon too. While we can still individually stream stuff independently as of right now.

The Sonos app has advantages and disadvantages. I don’t really mind it, but I primarily play music from my library, not streaming services. On that point, you are completely wrong. Sonos will play your own music from any computer or NAS on your home network.
 
THIS! I still don’t have an answer on if I can stream my iTunes library over HomePod or just the songs I purchased from Apple. I know I can stream my entire iTunes library on my Amazon Echo using the My Media skill.
You can stream anything over Air Play, even Spotify.
 
I fear that Apple was late to the game on this one. As if the price weren't enough of a deterrent, Siri still has not proven to be capable of anything meaningful in my day to day life (not to mention the fact that it rarely understands what I'm saying). Also, the lack of Spotify integration is a huge turn off. I'll stick w/ Sonos and Echo.

Late isn’t the issue. What matters is what you bring to the table when you finally decide to play. That’s my gripe with HomePod. They haven’t done anything special. This is the first Apple product that has no discernible advantage over other similar products. Sure, it sounds good, beam forming, blah blah blah. But the overall feature set? The usefulness of the assistant? Not remotely better than anything else out there.

I think the fanboys and girls will buy it...and then sales fall off a cliff. Apple needs Siri to be better before HomePod stands a chance. I don’t think HomePod will be a slow burn like the Watch unless/until Apple delivers a vastly improved smart speaker experience, which means a much much more useful Siri.
 
Except the AirPods were a truly first of their kind product without any direct competitor already being successful in the market.

What was that Steve Jobs quote? "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." The AirPods are really like that - there was nothing like them on the market and people didn't realize they wanted it until they saw it.

The HomePod is nothing like that. It's not the first on the market, it's not even the fourth. It's entering an already mature market offering fewer features, severely limited compatibility, and higher price. And on top of all that, Apple over-promised features and is now under-delivering.

I'm not saying it's going to be a failure, it's probably going to be quite successful. I never doubt the Apple marketing machine. Rather I'm saying of all the other products Apple has launched in the past few years, this is the biggest example of Apple following the market rather than creating it or leading it. On the contrary, the AirPods were Apple creating and leading a market.
I sure hope this is not a "mature market" as yet. I don't think so as much development is still to come. Could you imagine Windows 3.1 being the best of a mature market?
 
The Sonos app has advantages and disadvantages. I don’t really mind it, but I primarily play music from my library, not streaming services. On that point, you are completely wrong. Sonos will play your own music from any computer or NAS on your home network.

Correct. The downside, and my only chief complaint about Sonos. No AirPlay. If they would have provided that I’d have stuck with them. However, they have stated that Airplay will only appear on the newest Alexa version, not the Play:1, and possibly not even the Play:3, or :5. Dealbreaker.
 
You're not the target audience. Apple is targeting the Homepod on people who appreciate a higher quality of music and music experience than just is what comes out of your typical bluetooth speaker. They designed an enhance Siri just for music exploration and playback, but cool that's not important to you. The Homepod will protect your privacy, but you are probably OK, as are a lot of people, with Google and Amazon loading up everything the speaker hears to the cloud because "you have nothing to hide" from law enforcement, hackers, intel agencies, etc. , who will have access to your data. The Homepod will be a smart speaker with a very powerful processor to handle updates for years to come, you have already said you are content with what you currently have.
Em....”people who appreciate a higher quality of music” use vinyl, which I also use. The grunt of my music is on my iPhone, however, and I’m perfectly content with the sound of it for everyday listening. Smart speakers are the rage these days, but I’ve found very little use for them when I’ve tried them out.

The HomePod is exciting because it seems to offer high quality sound in a small footprint. People that buy Bose, will buy a HomePod. It’s the same audience. Overpriced speakers that sound good enough.
 
By making the iPod an app AND pushing music streaming subscription-based model, Apple and the music industry has made music into an entirely impersonal affair for at least two generations of listeners.

This speaker will not be successful. Not only because music is no longer tent pole of modern entertainment, but also because Apple's competitors are doing home entertainment and connectivity way better than Apple.

Want to "Make Music Great Again"? Bring back a dedicated and personal iPod experience that ONLY focuses on music. Make this ugly toilet roll of a device into not only a speaker but also the home Wi Fi router.
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OK, I'll take a shot.

I really like my MacBook Pro, iPhone, and Apple Watch. They're really amazing tools, but if each one cost $10,000, I wouldn't buy them.

A speaker which sounds fantastic is great, but it's being introduced into a market which already includes Sonos, Amazon, and Google, and the last two have already set the price ceiling, particularly when you consider how accurate and extensible Echo and Home are versus Siri, which is...not.

Everyone will agree the sound quality is superb. And then most will agree it's not worth an extra $250 to $300.

The Homepod won't be the market failure that the iPod Hi-Fi was, but it will be close.

And I just love Phil's notion that people are actually using the iPad at work. Those wacky multimillionaires! So insulated, so out of touch. They just crack me up.
I've been using an iPad at work for years, but but maybe it's just me...
 
Remember how people slammed the AirPods before they actually tried them, then found they loved them. They also slammed the Apple Watch and it turned into a great success too.
Who are these people you speak of? You’re the person who said Apple is Doomed in a prior thread today and finally a mod had to make a post saying enough already, you aren’t as clever as you think you are. You must have a lot of time on your hands to post nonsense so quickly.
 
Alex Jones: 'Home Pod, do you work for the CIA?"
Home Pod Siri: "No, I'm not employed by them. I'm made by Apple"
 
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