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Is he wealthy enough to retire? If so, then it's truly his decision if not outright desire. There's no martyrdom going on here.

Yes, he's very wealthy. And yes, working those hours is his choice, something he apparently likes to do.

"There's no martyrdom going on here."

Yup. He's low key, and chooses to stay out of the limelight.

That so many people here are criticizing him is bizarre.


Dude is worth $93 million. Doesn't ever need to work again. He's working 80 hours a week because he wants to. I don't feel sorry for him.

He isn't asking anyone to feel sorry for him.


heck most people are stuck with part time jobs. the overtime pay he makes working 80 hours has to be HUGE.

He's a salaried executive. No overtime pay.


More fool him, he should learn to delegate more and show trust in others. You should work to live, not live to work, unfortunately America's work culture is broken when it comes to work/life balance, a lack of paid annual leave, paid sickness leave, paid maternity/paternity leave, general vacation days etc.

Phil is doing what Phil wants to do. Why are You imposing what you believe is right for YOU?
 
True but if a person at his level is actually spending 80 hours a week on the App store, there is a gigantic failure somewhere in the company.
It's Phil's choice. Try not to worry about what OTHER PEOPLE like to do.

Apple isn't suffering with 1 billion happy and repeat customers buying apple products year after year after year.
 
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It's clearly his baby, of course he's going to defend it. This situation simply is not ideal, though. They need to stop treating software like a top-40 song sale.
 
My wife worked 80+ weeks for 5 years. After watching her suffer through that, there is *no* amount of money that'd make me do the same.
Everyone has a price for just about everything. If I were making a 7 or 8 figure salary I would probably bite the bullet and suffer for a year or two and live modestly during that time (which shouldn't be hard if 80-100 hours of my week are going solely to work and nothing else) and then leave that job to go and do literally anything else or better yet, nothing at all, while I milk my millions I earned. With that amount of scratch we're talking early retirement of about 20-25 years compared to most others' retirement age and still enjoying many of the finer things for the rest of my life.

And if I weren't making that kind of extreme income that was directly proportionate to my extreme labor, then why do it at all? Sans a handful of exceptions that are so overwhelmingly personally rewarding that money doesn't matter. I'm talking noble but often underpaid professions like certain healthcare roles, police/fire/military, etc.
 
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Not ideal for you. It's what Phil wants to do. What's good or bad for you, shouldn't be projected on others.

Treating software like a top-40 single isn't working out so well for anyone, maybe not even Apple. It's a completely different product than a music track, but they never bothered to upgrade their old iTunes Music Store infrastructure to properly support software products.

As a result of how the App Store is being run, consumers are forced into subscriptions that don't offer much value, or micro-transactions or fake in-app currency, in order for developers to keep a roof over their heads. It doesn't have to be like this, but Apple needs to listen to developers and finally implement paid software upgrades on the App Store.
 
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Treating software like a top-40 single isn't working out so well for anyone, maybe not even Apple. It's a completely different product than a music track, but they never bothered to upgrade their old iTunes Music Store infrastructure to properly support software products.

As a result of how the App Store is being run, consumers are forced into subscriptions that don't offer much value, or micro-transactions or fake in-app currency, in order for developers to keep a roof over their heads. It doesn't have to be like this, but Apple needs to listen to developers and finally implement paid software upgrades on the App Store.

And who are you to be judging what Phil does? Or who Apple listens to.

The good news is you have choices. Simply pick another phone/computer manufacturer who acceeds to your demands. And find happiness.

Will you do it?
 
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What constitutes "work" among C-suits would be vacations for real workers. Most folks look down on fastfood workers. I once did, but not anymore. I tried my hand at "flipping burgers" long ago. Called it quits after half a day. I worked on a farm over the summer during my teenage years. I shovelled 💩, picked crops, collected eggs, fed livestocks. That stuff carries more weight as work than polishing a chair with my (_!_) as an accountant.

80 hours a week on the phone or answering email or smoozing with other C-suit or hosting clients at a 5 star restaurant on the company's dime and so on. Sign me up for that kind of "work".
 
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No-one should be working 80+ hours a week. Regardless of position or compensation. Its 2024, not 1824.

Don't feel sorry for him though. He's clearly a control freak if he can't trust the thousands working for him to do the right thing without him overseeing everything.
It’s pretty common in some white collar jobs. I used to do it.

Although I didn’t really perceive it as exhausting at all - mostly because everything was taken care of by company. Good food got delivered, clothes dry cleaned, taxi for commute, HR making all travel arrangements, no chores at home because you don’t really mess things up while working.

You lose weekday sparetime but that is often quite low value (watching tv, commuting, cooking, chores), which was replaced by stimulating work. Still got all the sleep I needed and limited stress.

Just saying, working a lot can be really smooth. Although it can quickly go haywire with stress and complications.

These days I have kids, different priorities and work ~35 hours per week. Probably more exhausting though :)
 
As someone mentioned - flipping burgers 40 hours can definitely be waaay more exhausting. Or if you’re in a stressful environment.
 
That might explain his weird decisions and bad judgement. People need rest, breaks, and a life. This isn't healthy and it sets a bad example for the rest of the people on his team which downstream could result in the incredibly inconsistent enforcement and other baffling problems with the app store

I'm pretty sure numerous studies have shown that there is an optimum number of hours for peak efficiency and performance. You end up getting to the point of diminishing returns and actually making serious mistakes.

And it feels like the App Store team has been making almost nothing but serious mistakes lately. Their handling of the EU situation alone is a huge embarrassment to the company that has actually tarnished their brand with devs and regular people in a way that isn't easy to achieve
 
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are there ClickBots on MacRumors now?

Seem to be some "people" who click Thumbs Up to contradictory statements.
Or are they not reading the content correctly?
 
80 hours per week?
That is about 11 hours each day of the week.
I hope he lives close by the office considering the traffic of the area.
Good point ! People who are always saying l’m working a lot like 80/week aren’t anyway those who really work the most. Especially those kind of managers, who likely consider they are working as soon they are awake ‘because they immediately check their phone or think about their next meeting, even if it is as early as 8am!

I have zoom meetings at 6am here with Europe and I’m checking how things are going in my lab or on different processings running on remote servers until 10pm omg this is 16h/day!
 
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