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Am I just living on a different planet or is Facebook just basically saying the equivalent of “we faced a few headwinds with Apple and it’s policies. We couldn’t locate the people we wanted to, to behead them, but we have still beheaded millions of people”. Why do they think that they have a good given right to track ANYBODY across other websites??? Why aren’t they in jail? It’s basically harassment and theft.
 
Am I just living on a different planet or is Facebook just basically saying the equivalent of “we faced a few headwinds with Apple and it’s policies. We couldn’t locate the people we wanted to, to behead them, but we have still beheaded millions of people”. Why do they think that they have a good given right to track ANYBODY across other websites??? Why aren’t they in jail? It’s basically harassment and theft.

It's not "harassment and theft" when FB users agree to the terms of service, data policy, etc. If a user doesn't read or understand the terms or policies, it's on them. If they don't like the terms or policies, they don't have to use the product.
 
It wouldn't cost Facebook (meta, sorry) all this money if they weren't spies who invade our privacy in an effort to fatten the pockets of their shareholders.
 
That is an argument Apple could put forward as to why they ban advertisers from their platform and yes it would be upto the advertisers to prove that their intentions are honourable as to why they want to put adverts on Apples devices but people need to stop and think that data collection for the purposes of helping a company to improve it's products is very legitimate. For example, Heinz releases a new product and thus they want to know how that product is recieved by the buying public so they hire an advertising company to get their product out their and too see how it is doing. Heinz will want to know if people clicked on the ad or did they even scroll down a page to look at the ad or did the person move their mouse of the ad but decided not to click on it. Did the person find the ad from a specific website that Heinz was promoting this new product or did the person click away to another food website which is known to have competing products....and yes it goes on and on. This thing is, all of this is legitimate and the courts and the law see's this practice at legitimate BUT and here is the but, where this all falls down is in how much information does Heinz want to know about the people clicking or not clicking on it's ad's. Us the public say only very very small amounts of our data should be made available to Heniz but Heinz would then come back and say well we need to know the devices people used because that would give us an idea of the type of person viewing our ad, are they using mobile devices, which tends to be the young generation or are they using laptops or desktops which tends to be the older generation. Then Heniz will say we need to know the Geo location of where that person is because that would could tells us the demographic of who is likely to purchase our product. If it shows that thousands more people in Spain are viewing the product than those in Mexico Heinz will want to know why.

I can see why tracking occurs but it must be done within reason and the majority of it is not because advertisers want far too much of our data based on someone of the reasons given above. Instead of allowing advertisers to do what they want, there needs to be a world wide watchdog who's job it is to make sure advertisers only get the minimum amount of information required to be able to do their job. Until that day happens there will always be calls for tracking to be disabled because past actions by advertisers and companies have proven they cannot be trusted.
Again this is not an Apple issue or something they are required to allow on their platforms
 
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It wouldn't cost Facebook (meta, sorry) all this money if they weren't spies who invade our privacy in an effort to fatten the pockets of their shareholders.

Apple doesn't seem to have a problem with potentially exposing its users' privacy and data to fatten the pockets of their shareholders. That's a reason why they made Google the default search engine.

This website (MacRumors) and many others track and share user data for things like advertising too.
 
Anyone feel sorry that the monster evil corporation that profits by invading your privacy will lose a little of that money?
 
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Hopefully some combination of factors can cost Facebook $1 trillion in 2022 and this stain on humanity, this absolute cancer that is Facebook can be wiped away. Social media was a huge mistake for society. Sadly, I think a $10 billion hit will not have much of an adverse effect on them.
You know forums are social media right? :)
 
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Reality check:

Facebook still made insane profits and met their own performance expectations. Only pie-in-the-sky analyst expectations were missed. This is a temporary stock dip until they figure out how to trick people into disabling privacy protection, or find a way to circumvent them.

Also American investors are stupid, all Zuck has to do is get up on a podium and announce more “metaverse” plans and investors will throw money at him.

Facebook won’t die or fade out. They’re far too entrenched and too big to fail.

These articles come up every so often and people jump for joy that Facebook hit a speedbump, but then they recover and people forget until the next speedbump.
 
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Also I’m curious when companies will realize that internet advertising isn’t worth the amount of money spent.

There has to be trillions spent on getting ****** pop up ads or banner ads for people to ignore on every website, autoplay videos, etc. I highly doubt the return on investment is that high.
 
Facebook has enough cash to give every employee a $1m severence and then just fold the company. If Zuckerberg wanted to do the internet a favour, thats what he would do.

What would you recommend for the tens of millions of small businesses that use Facebook to promote their products and services, generate leads, direct traffic to their website, etc.? All high usage platforms desirable for small business sales/marketing efforts have similar tracking and data usage policies.

The issue is that "free" attracts the users and creates the desired traffic volume (and FB certainly has that), but "free" requires a way for the platform owner to make money. The best way to make that money is targeted advertising and targeted advertising requires the collection of tracking and usage data.

One way to remove the need to collect and monetize usage data is to require users to pay for a subscription but that will dramatically reduce the number of users and as a result, make it much less appealing and cost effective for small business owners, etc.

This applies to all sorts of forums and social media sites. Imagine how many fewer users MacRumors would have if people HAD to pay for a subscription.
 
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This tracking thing has gotten way out of hand, and I'm glad Apple is trying to do something about it! Though sometimes I wonder what Apple might be doing themselves.

Recently I have visited several sites that I've shopped for years, and found that unless I paused or stopped my anti-tracking apps I could not click on the desired item to be purchased. In fact I could not go any further than a mass listing of goods, getting specific information about the product was barred unless I suspended blockers.

When I complained to one company they simply sent me an email with their "privacy policy" link. Which of course, in a a somewhat cryptic fashion, requires the user to give up any privacy. I specifically asked them if they shared/sold visitor information and I've gotten "crickets" in response.

Frankly, I just wanted the company to admit in plain language what they were doing. Yes, their privacy policy "beats around the bush" about what they do with the information. I understand many companies do this, and this is the way of the world. But it doesn't make it right. :eek:
 
This is hilarious. Finally someone stops facebook. Strange that it was Apple rather than a government, but at least brakes have been applied.

Nothing strange about it: Apple has also stopped government intrusions.
 
Only if they can convince him to resign. Last I recall (given fb special share setup) I believe Mark controls something like 60% of the total votes in facebook.
They are themselves not convinced that he has to go. But once he becomes a liability for the company, he would be thrown out, regardless of his voting powers.
 
Its more the other way: They have made 10 billion so far from tracking, which people obviously didn't want to allow.
 
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Anything that makes FB poorer, smaller, less intrusive or destructive to democracy or life is fine by me.

Wither FB? I hope so.
 
This tracking thing has gotten way out of hand, and I'm glad Apple is trying to do something about it! Though sometimes I wonder what Apple might be doing themselves.

Recently I have visited several sites that I've shopped for years, and found that unless I paused or stopped my anti-tracking apps I could not click on the desired item to be purchased. In fact I could not go any further than a mass listing of goods, getting specific information about the product was barred unless I suspended blockers.

When I complained to one company they simply sent me an email with their "privacy policy" link. Which of course, in a a somewhat cryptic fashion, requires the user to give up any privacy. I specifically asked them if they shared/sold visitor information and I've gotten "crickets" in response.

Frankly, I just wanted the company to admit in plain language what they were doing. Yes, their privacy policy "beats around the bush" about what they do with the information. I understand many companies do this, and this is the way of the world. But it doesn't make it right. :eek:
Say it with me:

The Industrial Revolution and it’s Consequences…
 
Just to put a human face on events:

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Whatever shall he do?
 
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