Apple's Privacy Officer Jane Horvath Uses CES Appearance to Defend Company Stance on Encryption and Software Backdoors

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Apple's chief privacy officer attended a discussion panel at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Tuesday to debate the state of consumer privacy, marking the first time in 28 years that Apple has been at CES in an official capacity.

Apple's privacy officer at CES 2020 panel (Image: Parker Ortolani)

Jane Horvath, Apple's senior director for global privacy, joined an all-female panel consisting of representatives from Facebook, Procter & Gamble and the Federal Trade Commission. During the discussion, Horvath defended Apple's use of encryption to protect customer data on mobile devices.
"Our phones are relatively small and they get lost and stolen," Horvath said. "If we're going to be able to rely on our health data and finance data on our devices, we need to make sure that if you misplace that device, you're not losing your sensitive data."
Apple has held a consistent position regarding its use of encryption, even if that means it has limited ability to help law enforcement access data on devices involved in criminal investigations.

Just this week, the FBI asked Apple to help unlock two iPhones that investigators believe were owned by Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, who carried out a mass shooting at a Naval Air Station in Florida last month. Apple said that it had already given the FBI all of the data in its possession.

Apple's response suggests it will maintain the same stance it took in 2016, when the FBI demanded that Apple provide a so-called "backdoor" into iPhones, following the December 2015 shooter incidents in San Bernardino. Apple refused, and the FBI eventually backed down after it found an alternate way to access the data on the iPhone.

Horvath took the same tack by saying that Apple has a team working around the clock to respond to requests from law enforcement, but that building backdoors into software to give law enforcement access to private data is something she doesn't support.
"Building backdoors into encryption is not the way we are going to solve those issues," Horvath said.
Horvath went on to talk up Apple's "privacy by design" technologies like differential privacy, user randomization in native apps and services, the on-device facial recognition in the Photos app, and minimal data retrieval for Siri. Horvath also confirmed that Apple scans for child sexual abuse content uploaded to iCloud. "We are utilizing some technologies to help screen for child sexual abuse material," she said.

Horvath became Apple's chief privacy officer in September 2011. Prior to her work at Apple, Horvath was global privacy counsel at Google and chief privacy counsel at the Department of Justice.

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DoctorTech

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To every politician who "demands" a backdoor into electronic devices, I want to know who will go to jail when (not if) that backdoor is hacked by a criminal or misused by a government. I really don't care how "noble" your intentions are, if backdoors are built into electronic devices they WILL be abused and misused and if history teaches us anything, it is that NOBODY will be held responsible for the damage caused. To paraphrase PJ O'Rourke, installing a backdoor for the government is "like giving whiskey and car keys to a teenage boy, no matter how much they beg, no matter how much they promise they will be careful, don't do it."
 

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Having a secure phone is very important imo.

But, as has been said before, if you really care about privacy, quit sharing every damn stupid detail of your life on facebook etc.

People want all sorts of attention these days, as long as it's good.
 

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To play the devils advocate, can you possibly create a two secure divisions in the phone. One with supersensitive health data, locations etc is that is absolutely secure and one with a backdoor where maybe communication and other lower level privacy data lives?

Just to be clear, I don't want this. I'm just wondering.
 

Sasparilla

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Nice to see. The Government (investigative / hacking side) consistently tries to use cherry picked cases to get their back door's put into our smartphones. As we have seen previously with NSA zero day details (unofficial back doors), these have gotten leaked or hacked and put in the wild....there is no secure back door.
 

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Having a secure phone is very important imo.

But, as has been said before, if you really care about privacy, quit sharing every damn stupid detail of your life on facebook etc.

People want all sorts of attention these days, as long as it's good.
that doesn’t really help though. The amount of trackers, dare I call it „Spyware“ built into almost every App these days is redic. You don’t even need an Facebook account for Facebook to know a lot about you
 

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All great posts!

In spite of some frustrations with the Apple ecosystem, their privacy positions are why I will never go anywhere else for the foreseeable future. Privacy is one of the defining issues of our time, and all of Apple’s other other good stuff is gravy.
@EvilEvil my reply to above was taking right out of my mouth!
I'm VERY worried Apple is slowly going to become like BlackBerry did/has in terms of privacy and security, as they clinged onto that mythos so much innovation and progression to better products/services crawled to a halt!.
Protecting our privacy at the cost of innovation

Having a secure phone is very important imo.

But, as has been said before, if you really care about privacy, quit sharing every damn stupid detail of your life on facebook etc.

People want all sorts of attention these days, as long as it's good.
FULL agree!

It's as if grown adults have become pre-schoolers of the late 70's-80's where showing a child they're doing great is a golden star! IG, FB, and other social media services/apps have a core benefit for many however the attention begging is at an-all-time high causing the brain to get high and people doing ridiculous and disgusting things just to get a thumbs up or a like. Foolishness!
 

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Protecting our privacy at the cost of innovation.
‘Innovation’ is not mutually exclusive what you’re stating. Apples view on privacy applies to anyone who chooses to stay loyal to iOS. We’re not talking necessarily about ‘technology advancements’, we’re talking about the consistent threat to abduct the consumers personal information off their phone, given how much personalized data that we have that someone will try to infiltrate.

I challenge you or anyone else reading this post to name one other smart phone manufacturer that heeds the level that Apple does with protecting the consumers privacy.
 
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I thought there was some Israeli company that could download data from iPhones running any version of iOS? Local police forces all over the country were buying them iirc.

Maybe the FBI could use one of those dozens or hundreds of units scattered all over the country, if they don’t want to buy their own.
 

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Curious how Apple's "stance" doesn't apply in other countries like China. I guess it's not profitable to use privacy protection as a marketing tool there like it is here in the USA.
 

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I thought there was some Israeli company that could download data from iPhones running any version of iOS? Local police forces all over the country were buying them iirc.

Maybe the FBI could use one of those dozens or hundreds of units scattered all over the country, if they don’t want to buy their own.
Yes... that was Cellebrite. I thought I read Apple patched iOS so the Cellebrite hack would not work any longer, but I'm not sure.
 
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Curious how Apple's "stance" doesn't apply in other countries like China. I guess it's not profitable to use privacy protection as a marketing tool there like it is here in the USA.
As expected. Apple has to follow the laws of the country they sell into. China has no privacy laws, no child protection laws, etc. If Apple is going to be allowed to sell into China they need to follow China's laws. Period.

Just don't corrupt the devices to be sold into the US so the the same device is sold in both countries.

Now if China's laws are not what they should be, then the people of China need to rise up and change them. It is not the responsibility of American's to attempt to change China's or any other country's laws.
 

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As expected. Apple has to follow the laws of the country they sell into. China has no privacy laws, no child protection laws, etc. If Apple is going to be allowed to sell into China they need to follow China's laws. Period.

Just don't corrupt the devices to be sold into the US so the the same device is sold in both countries.

Now if China's laws are not what they should be, then the people of China need to rise up and change them. It is not the responsibility of American's to attempt to change China's or any other country's laws.
They didn't make a backdoor into their phones in China.
 

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Protecting our privacy at the cost of innovation
I'm VERY worried Apple is slowly going to become like BlackBerry did/has in terms of privacy and security, as they clinged onto that mythos so much innovation and progression to better products/services crawled to a halt!
Complaining that Apple doesn’t innovate is getting as worn around here as emoji and it-wrong jokes. Someone needs to explain to me how Apple is glaringly behind other smartphone manufacturers. And don’t bother with microSD or bezels; if that’s how y’all define innovation, and not A-series SOCs, W/H BT chips, FaceID, iPhone 11 Pro camera system (all with glowing reviews by impartial experts), etc. etc. etc., then I suggest you raise your bar. In this age, Apple’s privacy posture alone has been innovative. Want bending displays instead? LMAO!
 

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Having a secure phone is very important imo.

But, as has been said before, if you really care about privacy, quit sharing every damn stupid detail of your life on facebook etc.

People want all sorts of attention these days, as long as it's good.
There is a vast difference between voluntarily posting information on Facebook, and having private information gathered without your permission. Those are 2 totally different things.
 

Kabeyun

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There is a vast difference between voluntarily posting information on Facebook, and having private information gathered without your permission. Those are 2 totally different things.
Completely agree. However what they have in common is the need for the masses to be educated about the fact we’re in play and to make smart decisions accordingly. From what I’ve seen that’s that asking too much, but that doesn’t change the importance of it.
 

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To play the devils advocate, can you possibly create a two secure divisions in the phone. One with supersensitive health data, locations etc is that is absolutely secure and one with a backdoor where maybe communication and other lower level privacy data lives?

Just to be clear, I don't want this. I'm just wondering.
I mean, yeah, it’s possible, and though I’m not sure if you’re under the impression that it has to be a hardware solution it doesn’t have to be done with hardware. Apple already has separate classes that they and third-party developers can use to determine exactly when data should be encrypted or decrypted based on the state of the device and the needs of the app. See here for more on that if you’re curious.

That said, I wouldn’t necessarily say that communications are “lower level privacy data,” and it shouldn’t be Apple (or any company) unilaterally making that decision on users’ behalf.
 

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For me privacy is a key reason I stick with Apple despite the ever improving options on Android and Apple's high prices.

Jane Horvath, Apple's senior director for global privacy, joined an all-female panel consisting of representatives from Facebook, Procter & Gamble and the Federal Trade Commission.

I'm curious about this reference made in the article - were men banned from appearing on the panel? To describe is as "all-female" sounds rather strange. Or are they claiming that it just so happened to be that the relevant speakers were all women - for years now feminists have insisted that that can never happen even in the most specialised fields of engineering or physics etc but feminists are hardly noted for consistency!